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[Bearcat_NTS]

Offensive Efficiency (unadjusted PPP):
Home- 1.198
Away- 0.956

eFG%:
Home- 58%
Away- 46%

3PT%:
Home- 38.4% (21.6 average # of attempts)
Away- 31.2% (21.3 average # of attempts)

2PT%:
Home- 58.2%
Away- 45.5%

Assist/TO Ratio:
Home- 2.220 (#1 in the country)--- 20.2 assists per game
Away- 0.891 --- 11.2 assists per game


For reference, our defensive efficiency is almost identical home and away:
Home- 0.890
Away- 0.881

 

[cincyguy13]

Offensive Efficiency (unadjusted PPP):
Home- 1.198
Away- 0.956

eFG%:
Home- 58%
Away- 46%

3PT%:
Home- 38.4% (21.6 average # of attempts)
Away- 31.2% (21.3 average # of attempts)

2PT%:
Home- 58.2%
Away- 45.5%

Assist/TO Ratio:
Home- 2.220 (#1 in the country)--- 20.2 assists per game
Away- 0.891 --- 11.2 assists per game


For reference, our defensive efficiency is almost identical home and away:
Home- 0.890
Away- 0.881

Is this normal? What's the average of teams?

 

[JasonS]

Is this normal? What's the average of teams?

Typically, yes, it is normal for teams to play better at home. How much better depends on the team. I read a stat that showed Syracuse didn't schedule any games outside the Carrier Dome with the exception of 2 games in NY and one at Wisconsin (ACC-B1G Challenge - only true road game) which they had no control over. They lost their first 7 games not in the Carrier Dome this year.

Edit: I think I read this in Pat Forde's column, Forde Minutes.

 

[cincyguy13]

Typically, yes, it is normal for teams to play better at home. How much better depends on the team. I read a stat that showed Syracuse didn't schedule any games outside the Carrier Dome with the exception of 2 games in NY and one at Wisconsin (ACC-B1G Challenge - only true road game) which they had no control over. They lost their first 7 games not in the Carrier Dome this year.

Edit: I think I read this in Pat Forde's column, Forde Minutes.

I get that it's normal for teams to play worse away from home, but to what extent? Are these numbers normal in comparison? Without that info, we don't have much. And that's too much work for me

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Typically, yes, it is normal for teams to play better at home. How much better depends on the team. I read a stat that showed Syracuse didn't schedule any games outside the Carrier Dome with the exception of 2 games in NY and one at Wisconsin (ACC-B1G Challenge - only true road game) which they had no control over. They lost their first 7 games not in the Carrier Dome this year.

Edit: I think I read this in Pat Forde's column, Forde Minutes.

Wrong.

Cincinnati is:

Worst in the country in Assist/TO splits at -1.399

2nd worse in Offensive efficiency splits at -0.242 (behind William&Mary)

4th worse in the country in eFG% splits at -12% (Behind William&Mary, Praire View A&M and Stetson)

5th worse in 2PT splits at -12.7%

28th worse in 3PT splits at -7.2%

 

[cincyguy13]

Wrong.

Cincinnati is:

Worst in the country in Assist/TO splits at -1.399

2nd worse in Offensive efficiency splits at -0.242 (behind William&Mary)

4th worse in the country in eFG% splits at -12% (Behind William&Mary, Praire View A&M and Stetson)

5th worse in 2PT splits at -12.7%

28th worse in 3PT splits at -7.2%

I don't really know how we would fix that. I don't think it's anything a coach a can do but it doesn't look great

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Thank God our defense shows up or we'd have way more than 2 road losses.

 

[JasonS]

Wrong.

Cincinnati is:

Worst in the country in Assist/TO splits at -1.399

2nd worse in Offensive efficiency splits at -0.242 (behind William&Mary)

4th worse in the country in eFG% splits at -12% (Behind William&Mary, Praire View A&M and Stetson)

5th worse in 2PT splits at -12.7%

28th worse in 3PT splits at -7.2%

No. Not wrong. Teams play better at home. Fact. I didn't say to what extent. And my fact about Syracuse is absolutely a fact. You need to learn the definition of "wrong" and how to use it properly in an argument.

 

[JasonS]

California (19) is the most egregious. The Golden Bears (18-8, 9-5 in the Pac-12) played nine home games, three neutral-site and zero true road games. And one of the neutral sites was Sacramento. Until March, the Golden Bears will have traveled no farther east than Tucson. That’s ridiculous.

Syracuse (20) is the traditional go-nowhere power. This year the Orange (16-12, 8-7 in the ACC) played 10 home games, two at neutral sites (Brooklyn and New York City) and one true road game – at Wisconsin as part of the Big Ten-ACC Challenge, something Jim Boeheim had no control over. The first seven times Syracuse played outside the Carrier Dome, it lost.

TCU (21) played nine home games, two on the road and one at a neutral site. One of the road games was 40 miles east, at SMU. Washington was the only Power Five opponent in non-conference play, and as mentioned above, Washington is terrible. And the Horned Frogs (17-10, 6-8 in the Big 12) played them twice.

Georgia Tech (22) opened the Josh Pastner Era with nine non-conference home games and three true road games – which, it should be noted, all were in a row. The Yellow Jackets (16-11, 7-7 in the ACC) lost two of those three on the road, to Penn State and Tennessee. They also lost at home to Ohio and Georgia.

Texas Tech (23) played nine at home, two in Mexico and one true road game, at Richmond. The Red Raiders (17-10, 5-9 in the Big 12) are winless on the road in conference play.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/forde-minutes-coaching-carousel-edition-055033469.html

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

California (19) is the most egregious. The Golden Bears (18-8, 9-5 in the Pac-12) played nine home games, three neutral-site and zero true road games. And one of the neutral sites was Sacramento. Until March, the Golden Bears will have traveled no farther east than Tucson. That’s ridiculous.

Syracuse (20) is the traditional go-nowhere power. This year the Orange (16-12, 8-7 in the ACC) played 10 home games, two at neutral sites (Brooklyn and New York City) and one true road game – at Wisconsin as part of the Big Ten-ACC Challenge, something Jim Boeheim had no control over. The first seven times Syracuse played outside the Carrier Dome, it lost.

TCU (21) played nine home games, two on the road and one at a neutral site. One of the road games was 40 miles east, at SMU. Washington was the only Power Five opponent in non-conference play, and as mentioned above, Washington is terrible. And the Horned Frogs (17-10, 6-8 in the Big 12) played them twice.

Georgia Tech (22) opened the Josh Pastner Era with nine non-conference home games and three true road games – which, it should be noted, all were in a row. The Yellow Jackets (16-11, 7-7 in the ACC) lost two of those three on the road, to Penn State and Tennessee. They also lost at home to Ohio and Georgia.

Texas Tech (23) played nine at home, two in Mexico and one true road game, at Richmond. The Red Raiders (17-10, 5-9 in the Big 12) are winless on the road in conference play.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/forde-minutes-coaching-carousel-edition-055033469.html

What does that have to do with Cincinnati, who has the worst split in the country in terms of home and away offensive efficiency??

 

[JasonS]

What does that have to do with Cincinnati, who has the worst split in the country in terms of home and away offensive efficiency??

Maybe you should rename your thread.

 

[waterhead]

Offensive Efficiency (unadjusted PPP):
Home- 1.198
Away- 0.956

eFG%:
Home- 58%
Away- 46%

3PT%:
Home- 38.4% (21.6 average # of attempts)
Away- 31.2% (21.3 average # of attempts)

2PT%:
Home- 58.2%
Away- 45.5%

Assist/TO Ratio:
Home- 2.220 (#1 in the country)--- 20.2 assists per game
Away- 0.891 --- 11.2 assists per game


For reference, our defensive efficiency is almost identical home and away:
Home- 0.890
Away- 0.881

The splits from last year may have been better...But we actually shot worse on the road. FG percentage this year is 40 percent and last year 39 percent. We didn't shoot near as well at home though last year so splits might be better.

The problem is our road Offense seems endemic to the coach or maybe a group of players. I didn't go back any further than last year.

 

[cincyguy13]

The splits from last year may have been better...But we actually shot worse on the road. FG percentage this year is 40 percent and last year 39 percent. We didn't shoot near as well at home though last year so splits might be better.

The problem is our road Offense seems endemic to the coach or maybe a group of players. I didn't go back any further than last year.

I know people will blame the coach but I don't think he is changing the gameplan just because it's a road game. It does seem like that sometimes but I don't think thaTs the case. Either way it is weird that we are that bad on the road

 

[waterhead]

I have no idea how to explain it really. In terms of shooting % only...we haven't been this highly ranked #51 overall (or even close to it really) I mean we all know we have been a terrible shooting team under Cronin because we didn't recruit the basketball players only the athletes (until recently). So I looked back about 7 years for the home and road shooting % through SK's senior year with Jackson and back to Gates, Wright, Dixon as well. Cronin's 7 most productive years.

These numbers are from teamrankings.com


2017...rank #51 overall...51.2% home...40.2% road...(11.0 difference)
2016...rank #215 overall...46.5%...39.1%...(7.5)
2015...rank #92 overall...46.7%...42.3%...(4.5)
2014...rank #247 overall...44.1%...40.4%...(3.5)
2013...rank #296 overall...41.2%...39.2%...(2.0)
2012...rank #228 overall...42.4%...41.8%...(.5)
2011...rank #145 overall...44.3%...43.1%...(1.0)


Some interesting notes. The last three years have seen the biggest splits. It looks like an average team in NCAA would have a 3-4% differential home to road. In all 7 years the road % hovered between 43.1% ad 39.1% (4 point spread) and even our best year is an average year at best in NCAA on the road. Our worst years are absolutely horrible including last year our worst year and this year our third worst year. Home shooting % saw a 10 point spread from best to worst year from 41.2% to 51.2%. This year is our high mark by almost 5%...over the previous two years which were also higher than the rest by 2 %. Home shooting has gone way up and road shooting has held steady over the years for the most part.

What is really weird is that the ups and downs of home shooting haven't corresponded to road shooting at all really. Our best three years at home (which are the last 3) have seen 2 of the worst 3 years on the road. It makes no sense.

 

[waterhead]

I have no idea how to explain it really. In terms of shooting % only...we haven't been this highly ranked #51 overall (or even close to it really) I mean we all know we have been a terrible shooting team under Cronin because we didn't recruit the basketball players only the athletes (until recently). So I looked back about 7 years for the home and road shooting % through SK's senior year with Jackson and back to Gates, Wright, Dixon as well. Cronin's 7 most productive years.

These numbers are from teamrankings.com


2017...rank #51 overall...51.2% home...40.2% road...(11.0 difference)
2016...rank #215 overall...46.5%...39.1%...(7.5)
2015...rank #92 overall...46.7%...42.3%...(4.5)
2014...rank #247 overall...44.1%...40.4%...(3.5)
2013...rank #296 overall...41.2%...39.2%...(2.0)
2012...rank #228 overall...42.4%...41.8%...(.5)
2011...rank #145 overall...44.3%...43.1%...(1.0)


Some interesting notes. The last three years have seen the biggest splits. It looks like an average team in NCAA would have a 3-4% differential home to road. In all 7 years the road % hovered between 43.1% ad 39.1% (4 point spread) and even our best year is an average year at best in NCAA on the road. Our worst years are absolutely horrible including last year our worst year and this year our third worst year. Home shooting % saw a 10 point spread from best to worst year from 41.2% to 51.2%. This year is our high mark by almost 5%...over the previous two years which were also higher than the rest. Home shooting has gone way up and road shooting has held steady over the years for the most part.

What is really weird is that the ups and downs of home shooting haven't corresponded to road shooting at all really. Our best three years at home (which are the last 3) have seen 2 of the worst 3 years on the road. It makes no sense.

We are top 12 in shooting % at home this year and close to bottom 50 on the road.

 

[kskenyon4]

PLEASE keep in mind - of all below 100 teams Cincy has played, 14 of 19 have been at home. Of top 100 teams, 2 of 8 games have been at home.

 

[waterhead]

We are top 12 in shooting % at home this year and close to bottom 50 on the road.

Perhaps Justinhub is right. This could be a psychological issue the coach is unknowingly creating...overselling how hard things are going to be on the road and to just concentrate on D and getting rebounds. Rather than just go out and play like you own the building kind of thing. After ISU game...he had his prime example to sell to the players...and I think I remember him doing just that.

The one constant, even with better shooters added in this year, is that we still aren't good at shooting on the road.

 

[cincyguy13]

Perhaps Justinhub is right. This could be a psychological issue the coach is unknowingly creating...overselling how hard things are going to be on the road and to just concentrate on D and getting rebounds. Rather than just go out and play like you own the building kind of thing. After ISU game...he had his prime example to sell to the players...and I think I remember him doing just that.

The one constant, even with better shooters added in this year, is that we still aren't good at shooting on the road.

Yeah, who knows. I wish they would come out and take it to a decent team on the road but they never do. That's why I worry about uconn game a little bit

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Yeah, who knows. I wish they would come out and take it to a decent team on the road but they never do. That's why I worry about uconn game a little bit

Mick seems fixated on making road games grinders for whatever reason. Teams ordinarily do perform slightly worse on the road but Cincinnati's splits are dramatic. At home, they look like one of the best offensive teams in the country (and the numbers bear that out) but on the road they look awful. Something definitely needs to change.

 

[waterhead]

Mick seems fixated on making road games grinders for whatever reason. Teams ordinarily do perform slightly worse on the road but Cincinnati's splits are dramatic. At home, they look like one of the best offensive teams in the country (and the numbers bear that out) but on the road they look awful. Something definitely needs to change.

We have played 5 teams twice this year. SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Temple, USF

Temple home...81-74...away 56-50
Tulane home...92-56...away 78-61
Tulsa home...80-60...away 57-55
USF home...94-53...away 68-54
SMU home...66-64...away 51-60

Average score at home 82.6...away 62.0. It would seem to me we definitely change philosophy/psychology on the road.