UC Watches Talk of Expansion

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The Big 10 isn’t expected to announce its plans for world domination until December at the earliest. So it’s all conjecture for now. As UC athletic director Mike Thomas put it Monday, “A ripple or a tidal wave?’’ The Big 10 has 11 teams. It could add one team, to make it conference championship-friendly. It could add three teams. It could add five. If it adds five, hold onto your aspirations, UC.

“An unnerving time,’’ Thomas said.

Worst-case scenario: The Big 10 decides it wants to go to 16 teams. For competitive and TV-market reasons (not necessarily in that order), it robs the Big East of Syracuse, Rutgers and Pitt, at which point the Big East ceases to exist.

Other large conferences such as the ACC, SEC and Pac-10 do the same. “I won’t just sit back and ignore what’s going on around me,’’ SEC commissioner Mike Slive said. What that means is, if the Big 10 grows into the Ginormous 10-plus-6, the SEC will do likewise. Don’t expect the Big Others to spectate. It’d be every school for itself.

Where would UC land? Maybe not softly.

“The domino effect could be significant,’’ Thomas said. “When the dust settles, who are those schools that have to reinvent themselves? We’re not holding the cards right now.’’ He wasn’t speaking about UC specifically. But he could have been. Imagine the Bearcats, spending all that money to get their football program up to BCS snuff, only to have the rug yanked.

No offense. But UC isn’t tossing money at football so it can resume the home-and-homes with Memphis and East Carolina.

You can forget about UC ever joining a Big 10 that includes Ohio State. The Buckeyes won’t even play the Bearcats home and home, in football or basketball. The Bucks own the state, at least all but a small corner of it. Why would they share? There is no upside for OSU, as the talking heads would say.

UC won’t be in any reconfigured Big 10. It doesn’t have geography on its side for a move to the SEC. The ACC? Maybe. Beyond that, what?

It should be noted that the last time the Big East re-tooled, it included UC. But this is different. The notion of four, 16-team superconferences is not some vague idea. It’s a decent possibility, fueled by TV alliances and the naked need of the big schools for more power.

The Big 10 already has its own network. The Big 10 network gives each of its member schools $22 million a year. In the not too distant future, BTN could be in the basic cable package of more than one third of the nation’s homes.

The SEC has a similar monster deal with CBS and ESPN. What would the Big Ten Network’s haul be if it added the New York and Pittsburgh markets? How would the SEC do if it raided the Big 12 for Texas and/or Oklahoma?

Where does that leave Cincinnati? Playing at TCU on a Thursday night?

“It’s about the dollars (and) expanding your footprint,’’ said Thomas. The Ginormous 10-plus-6’s print would be historic. Or prehistoric. Any school leaving the Big East now would owe the conference $5 million and be obligated to stay in the league for 27 months. Theoretically, that would give the uninvited leftover schools time to regroup. Or to plot their own exit strategies.

“Interesting times, for sure,’’ Thomas said. Not necessarily in a good way.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100426/COL03/304260072/1062/SPT/Doc++UC+watches++waits+for+Big+Ten
 
UC would be more attractive to the SEC than most believe. I do not really want that to happen because I don't know how competitive we would be..
 
UC would get slaughtered, and the fun days of winning 10 or so games would come crashing down.
Aside from that, it would be a good move monetarily speaking. Recruiting would pick up, but at a heavy cost, and it wouldn't be enough to compete against the bamas, floridas, lsu's..
 
Agreed 100 percent. Although I dont think we would be slaughtered. We wouldnt be winning the SEC any time soon. They would not take Louisville or USF because they already own Kentucky and Florida markets.

It is all about markets.
 
Here is an interesting blog article I came across. It looks like it is from January but it still seems to apply.

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2...reasons-why-texas-to-the-big-ten-makes-sense/

In this guy's opinion, he thinks the Big 10 takes one team and it would be Texas. He makes some good points that are hard to argue with. If this is the case, I would guess that the Big 12 would replace Texas with TCU and that may be the end of it. We may not have anything to worry about after all. The Big Ten holds all the cards right now though.
 
Here is an interesting blog article I came across. It looks like it is from January but it still seems to apply.

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2...reasons-why-texas-to-the-big-ten-makes-sense/

In this guy's opinion, he thinks the Big 10 takes one team and it would be Texas. He makes some good points that are hard to argue with. If this is the case, I would guess that the Big 12 would replace Texas with TCU and that may be the end of it. We may not have anything to worry about after all. The Big Ten holds all the cards right now though.

As I sit here in Texas, UT will not go anywhere unless they can bring Texas A&M with them. Preferably they would also want Oklahoma also and Oklahoma has not been mentioned in ANY expansion talk. I'd honestly be shocked if Texas moved anywhere.
 
Agreed 100 percent. Although I dont think we would be slaughtered. We wouldnt be winning the SEC any time soon. They would not take Louisville or USF because they already own Kentucky and Florida markets.

It is all about markets.


Even the mediocre SEC teams have speed. I think in time the gap would be cut, but it would take several years of SOLID recruiting to get there.

It would be like the basketball team going from Conference USA to the BE. Same school...different opponents, different results. Although hopefully it wouldn't take as long as MC as the football program wasn't gutted.
 
As I sit here in Texas, UT will not go anywhere unless they can bring Texas A&M with them. Preferably they would also want Oklahoma also and Oklahoma has not been mentioned in ANY expansion talk. I'd honestly be shocked if Texas moved anywhere.

I see their conference adding teams, not losing them. All those schools are very proud, and its funny how the texas kids who don't go to texas, will attend schools in that conference. I don't see them splitting off, but I could see them asking Cincy and Louisville to join in as an Ohio/KY presence wouldn't be a bad thing for them.
 
I can't see UC in the SEC. If they expand they will first look at Florida State, The U and/or Clemson first. Frankly I see UC likely landing in either the ACC, B12 or in a new BE.

Having said that, if UC would to go to the SEC and become a bottom feeder, I would prefer that over going back to C-USA any day. I remember the C-USA days-- our fans do not want to come watch UC play Southern Miss or UAB. The players in town do not want to come here if we are playing Southern Miss or UAB. What we'll see is the recruiting will fall off, the football team will regress and we'll be back to 10,000 at Nippert. That will be a real shame considering where we have been the past few years and what kind of money we have put into the athletic department here.

UC needs to find a seat before the music stops here...
 
I agree Danny. The SEC or C-USA type league wouldn't be good for UC.

The best case scenario would be to keep the BE viable by bringing other solid schools into the mix. I'd prefer that to the the Big12, although the ACC might be attractive, although you'd face WV/Pitt types in just about every game. In any event, our recruiting remains top priority right now.
 
I am not saying we would be winner the league or anything but lets not act like we couldn't go .500

Our bball team is an awful example because they were destructed a year before our entrance into the Big East which is the toughest conference in college.

Our fball team is at the top of their game.

Again I do NOT want UC in the SEC because it would kill our growth short term.

UC is more attractive than the FSU's or Miami's because of location. Expansion is all about grabbing new markets. FSU and Miami would not do that. Same with UK or Clemson.

UC would have to move its home games to PBS though. Give me Big East or ACC.
 
I agree Danny. The SEC or C-USA type league wouldn't be good for UC.

The best case scenario would be to keep the BE viable by bringing other solid schools into the mix. I'd prefer that to the the Big12, although the ACC might be attractive, although you'd face WV/Pitt types in just about every game. In any event, our recruiting remains top priority right now.

Do you get the feeling recruits are waiting for this whole mess to shake out before comitting to UC. I mean, I have to think there is either negative recrutiing going on or at the least, a player is thinking in his mind that they should not come to UC unless they are certain they will be playing in a BCS conference in a couple years. Like it or not, there has been a lot out there on blogs, websites and now even the Cincinnati Enquirer about UC being the team left holding the bag at the end of the day.

The sooner this whole mess is resolved the quicker UC recruiting will pick up.
 
As I sit here in Texas, UT will not go anywhere unless they can bring Texas A&M with them. Preferably they would also want Oklahoma also and Oklahoma has not been mentioned in ANY expansion talk. I'd honestly be shocked if Texas moved anywhere.

Look, I don't think Texas ends up in the Big 10 either but I also don't think A&M has ANY impact on what Texas does. Texas will look out for itself first and foremost and if that means more money by going to the Big 10, they'll surely consider it. If they decide against it, I have a hard time believing A&M will have anything to do with that. The fact that Texas is not part of the original Big 8 also means that there may not be quite as much loyalty to the Big 12 as some might think. There will be many factors that Texas would have to consider but we are being naiive if we think any of them would trumph the money situation.
 
Do you get the feeling recruits are waiting for this whole mess to shake out before comitting to UC. I mean, I have to think there is either negative recrutiing going on or at the least, a player is thinking in his mind that they should not come to UC unless they are certain they will be playing in a BCS conference in a couple years. Like it or not, there has been a lot out there on blogs, websites and now even the Cincinnati Enquirer about UC being the team left holding the bag at the end of the day.

The sooner this whole mess is resolved the quicker UC recruiting will pick up.


I definitely think there is something to this. UC has had really bad luck in terms of being able to capitalize on success. First, there was the whole mess with Kelly and ND (which it had been rumored for over a year that it was his dream job and he would be gone the second the job opened up) and now it is whether UC will be in a BCS conference in a couple years. I think we are years away from attracting some of the elite talents. If UC can maintain success and Butch Jones sticks around for a while and UC is still in a BCS conference, only then will we see many of the top names really look at UC seriously. Unfortunately OSU still rules the recruiting landscape in Ohio and UM and ND don't help matters either. The coaching staff has their work cut out for them but I have the utmost confidence in them getting it done.
 
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