2018 General Recruiting

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jacobkdoyle said:
I thought we were over the whiny excuse making. But I guess not.

Our coaches have a lot of resources at their disposal, including a brand new basketball arena under construction. If they can only deliver when absolutely every single thing in the world is perfectly set up for them, then I gotta wonder how good they are at the job. Luckily, I'm confident that we can still win conference championships, have the top players in the conference, and have postseason success with things the way they currently are.

The thing that might hurt more than not having a jet is being known for having a whiny, excuse making fan base, who is hell-bent on only focusing on the things we don't have, instead of the pretty great things we do have.
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Agreed. No more excuses.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
I thought we were over the whiny excuse making. But I guess not.

Our coaches have a lot of resources at their disposal, including a brand new basketball arena under construction. If they can only deliver when absolutely every single thing in the world is perfectly set up for them, then I gotta wonder how good they are at the job. Luckily, I'm confident that we can still win conference championships, have the top players in the conference, and have postseason success with things the way they currently are.

The thing that might hurt more than not having a jet is being known for having a whiny, excuse making fan base, who is hell-bent on only focusing on the things we don't have, instead of the pretty great things we do have.
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We all need a private jet (or at least first class) but until then...CLF is killing it in coach (in more ways than one). No more excuses!!!!!!
 
jacobkdoyle said:
I thought we were over the whiny excuse making. But I guess not.

Our coaches have a lot of resources at their disposal, including a brand new basketball arena under construction. If they can only deliver when absolutely every single thing in the world is perfectly set up for them, then I gotta wonder how good they are at the job. Luckily, I'm confident that we can still win conference championships, have the top players in the conference, and have postseason success with things the way they currently are.

The thing that might hurt more than not having a jet is being known for having a whiny, excuse making fan base, who is hell-bent on only focusing on the things we don't have, instead of the pretty great things we do have.
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Availability is the key need for a private jet. Being able to directly fly from Cincy to a smaller town in North Carolina allows for more opportunity to see recruits, and more opportunity to build that relationship. If you think that this can be accomplished at nearly the same level through commercial, i believe you are greatly mistaken.

CVG rarely has direct flights anymore so even short trips to the east coast are probably 6 hours once you factor in Security/Boarding/1st Flight/Layover/2nd Flight. Now that you have arrived at the NC airport 6 hours later, you actually have to drive to where the recruit is located. The recruit could easily be a couple hours from a major airport, and now they are taking up 8 hours one-way to visit. So essentially an in home visit with a recruit would take an 17 hour day if you only visited with them for an hour. We are also not factoring in any possible issues with scheduling to see a specific game.

Compare all of this to the time requirements when using a private jet. Private jet have no security/board/layovers/connecting flight/scheduling issues while being able to land at airports closer to the recruits outside of major cities. This results in cutting the time needed to get to a recruit in remote NC from 8 to around 2 hours. Private jets also leave the airport on timing that fits your schedule. So in theory Mick could coach practice in the afternoon, hop on a plane at 5, land at 7, and be watching the recruits game at 7:30.

In short, if the guys your are recruiting against have a jet, the jet isn't part of the sales pitch. But it is what lets them make that pitch 2-3 times more often than you. I believe that matters, and it should be something UC invests in for the basketball program.
 
waterhead said:
We all need a private jet (or at least first class) but until then...CLF is killing it in coach (in more ways than one). No more excuses!!!!!!
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I think with football the private jet is nice, but much less of a factor. Larger staffs mean the benefit has dismissed returns. If CLF is using the plane to be in PA, all of his staff watching games elsewhere still had to fly commercial.

Also in football we tend to have success recruiting regionally, where UC basketball is more a national brand/recruiter.
 
Yeah, I don't think the private jet thing is that big of a deal for football. They've got 8 or 9 guys out there recruiting and we are in one of the most talent rich parts of the country, meaning more driving and less flying.

I do still find it embarrassing that we can't provide Cronin with what Xavier provides Mack. I think Cronin does pretty well with what he is provided, but we need to step it up a little in recruiting to go from good to great. It's great to get Clark, Evans, Cumberland, and Williams in consecutive classes. Now we need to find a way to start getting two of those guys in every class. If you include transfers like Washington and Broome, we are almost there.
 
NKY Bearcat said:
Availability is the key need for a private jet. Being able to directly fly from Cincy to a smaller town in North Carolina allows for more opportunity to see recruits, and more opportunity to build that relationship. If you think that this can be accomplished at nearly the same level through commercial, i believe you are greatly mistaken.

CVG rarely has direct flights anymore so even short trips to the east coast are probably 6 hours once you factor in Security/Boarding/1st Flight/Layover/2nd Flight. Now that you have arrived at the NC airport 6 hours later, you actually have to drive to where the recruit is located. The recruit could easily be a couple hours from a major airport, and now they are taking up 8 hours one-way to visit. So essentially an in home visit with a recruit would take an 17 hour day if you only visited with them for an hour. We are also not factoring in any possible issues with scheduling to see a specific game.

Compare all of this to the time requirements when using a private jet. Private jet have no security/board/layovers/connecting flight/scheduling issues while being able to land at airports closer to the recruits outside of major cities. This results in cutting the time needed to get to a recruit in remote NC from 8 to around 2 hours. Private jets also leave the airport on timing that fits your schedule. So in theory Mick could coach practice in the afternoon, hop on a plane at 5, land at 7, and be watching the recruits game at 7:30.

In short, if the guys your are recruiting against have a jet, the jet isn't part of the sales pitch. But it is what lets them make that pitch 2-3 times more often than you. I believe that matters, and it should be something UC invests in for the basketball program.
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Bingo. It's not about what you have or don't have. It's about what you have or don't have compared to your competition. If everyone else you are competing against has a private jet, the staff is at a disadvantage without one. This is not a whiny excuse. This is the reality. When other schools had nicer facilities, that is an uphill battle in recruiting. The University has addressed that. Great. That doesn't mean you can stand still. You need to consistently look to put your people in a situation with a competitive advantage whenever possible. And that goes beyond sports. That is especially huge in medicine and trying to get research dollars. That's why UC is continually investing there as well.
 
NKY Bearcat said:
Availability is the key need for a private jet. Being able to directly fly from Cincy to a smaller town in North Carolina allows for more opportunity to see recruits, and more opportunity to build that relationship. If you think that this can be accomplished at nearly the same level through commercial, i believe you are greatly mistaken.

CVG rarely has direct flights anymore so even short trips to the east coast are probably 6 hours once you factor in Security/Boarding/1st Flight/Layover/2nd Flight. Now that you have arrived at the NC airport 6 hours later, you actually have to drive to where the recruit is located. The recruit could easily be a couple hours from a major airport, and now they are taking up 8 hours one-way to visit. So essentially an in home visit with a recruit would take an 17 hour day if you only visited with them for an hour. We are also not factoring in any possible issues with scheduling to see a specific game.

Compare all of this to the time requirements when using a private jet. Private jet have no security/board/layovers/connecting flight/scheduling issues while being able to land at airports closer to the recruits outside of major cities. This results in cutting the time needed to get to a recruit in remote NC from 8 to around 2 hours. Private jets also leave the airport on timing that fits your schedule. So in theory Mick could coach practice in the afternoon, hop on a plane at 5, land at 7, and be watching the recruits game at 7:30.

In short, if the guys your are recruiting against have a jet, the jet isn't part of the sales pitch. But it is what lets them make that pitch 2-3 times more often than you. I believe that matters, and it should be something UC invests in for the basketball program.
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Completely missing the point.

I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I'm saying it does no good to complain about it. It just seems like with some fans, if it's not one thing, it's another. As soon as we get a jet for the coaches, it'll shift back to whining about the conference, facilities, refs, bad luck, etc, etc. Just gets annoying and it's all been beat to death. The deck is always stacked against us! It's so unfair! We're ice skating uphill with 1 leg, blah blah. We get it.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
Completely missing the point.

I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I'm saying it does no good to complain about it. It just seems like with some fans, if it's not one thing, it's another. As soon as we get a jet for the coaches, it'll shift back to whining about the conference, facilities, refs, bad luck, etc, etc. Just gets annoying and it's all been beat to death. The deck is always stacked against us! It's so unfair! We're ice skating uphill with 1 leg, blah blah. We get it.
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I agree that we can't worry about what we can't control. That said, I think there is a happy medium that we should be striving to achieve between acknowledging the facts yet not shifting the argument and come off as whiny. I think the arena is more critical to recruiting top talent than the private jet. I'm excited about the future and can't wait to see what the new 5/3rd does for our program!
 
waterhead said:
We all need a private jet (or at least first class) but until then...CLF is killing it in coach (in more ways than one). No more excuses!!!!!!
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CLF doesn't need a jet to fly to Colerain or Moeller, in fact if he never left the city and just recruited the tri state he would be fine
 
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jacobkdoyle said:
Completely missing the point.

I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I'm saying it does no good to complain about it. It just seems like with some fans, if it's not one thing, it's another. As soon as we get a jet for the coaches, it'll shift back to whining about the conference, facilities, refs, bad luck, etc, etc. Just gets annoying and it's all been beat to death. The deck is always stacked against us! It's so unfair! We're ice skating uphill with 1 leg, blah blah. We get it.
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Bottom line is that it is a mid major look, just like the mid major conference UC is in with the mid major officials. Gives the appearance that UC fits right in the AAC
 
Chad Brendel said:
You are incorrect. He did have one available on a very limited basis, but that no longer exists. He hasn't been on a private plane for recruiting even once in over a year...
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Chad, please finish your posts with just one period on this board. Thank you in advance for doing this!
 
Chad Brendel said:
You are incorrect. He did have one available on a very limited basis, but that no longer exists. He hasn't been on a private plane for recruiting even once in over a year...
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So Chad- do u agree it is very impt to have a private jet?
 
And this must cost a helluva lot of money. I'm all for it but, outside of the plane, the pilots can't be cheap. Maybe there are several that you can call on / set an appt.
 
ZCat said:
And this must cost a helluva lot of money. I'm all for it but, outside of the plane, the pilots can't be cheap. Maybe there are several that you can call on / set an appt.
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I'm sure it's a lot of money, but if you want to compete with the big boys it helps to be on a level playing field.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
Completely missing the point.

I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I'm saying it does no good to complain about it. It just seems like with some fans, if it's not one thing, it's another. As soon as we get a jet for the coaches, it'll shift back to whining about the conference, facilities, refs, bad luck, etc, etc. Just gets annoying and it's all been beat to death. The deck is always stacked against us! It's so unfair! We're ice skating uphill with 1 leg, blah blah. We get it.
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I am not complaining about it. I am pointing out that there is a valid argument in needing a private jet. Private jet = seeing recruits more often, which will likely result in getting better recruits.

You may be annoyed by the discussion. I am sure Mick is more annoyed every time he is connecting in Atlanta and realizes he could have seen 2-3 recruits that day in the time it is taking him to see 1.
 

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