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Just saw that Nebraska's Punter Sam Foltz was killed in a car accident last night. Former Michigan State Punter Mike Sadler was driving and he died too. They were at a kicking camp in Wisconsin and the car slid on wet pavement and hit a tree. Foltz was the Big 10 Punter of the Year last year and was on the Ray Guy watchlist for this upcoming season. Sad story.
 
I did my first ever College Fantasy Football draft tonight. Had the 4th pick out of 14 and had to take Fournette. Also got Mike Boone on my bench and Andrew Gantz as my K.
 
Really surprised no one had a comment on Colin Kapernicks refusal to stand for the National anthem. It has dominated sports talk radio today.
 
If anyone is interested I have no issue with his actions. I don't find it disrespectful and applaud his stance. There is still many injustices that are happening everyday in this country. As a 20 year veteran who stood a post with many people of different races I know and have seen to many instances to think it isn't still very much happening in today's America. I have personally seen and been a part of a few such events. I was visiting a bar in Melbourne Fla with a subordinate of mine who was a black man when we decided to stop for a beer before heading home. We ordered a drink and thought we would play a game of pool. Before we could break, a man walked to the table and picked up the cue ball and informed us the Klan was alive and well in west Melbourne. In my younger days I played inter service league basketball and just like today I was a minority on the team as a white man. We would travel to near by bases for games and of course we would go out at night. While standing in line to get in I paid my cover and walked in while my black military brothers were asked for 2 picture ID's. On another ocassion I was riding to a wedding for one of by combat crew members who was a black man. I was asleep and we were pulled over for a tail light. I woke up to the shouting of a police officer pointing a loaded gun at us. All for a taillight. While discrimination is not as open as it was years back it is still very much in existence. As assimilated as I have tried to become after a upbringing in Norwood it still requires that I slow down and try to understand all sides of a issue before passing judgement. I constantly have to reconfigure my inherited prejudices by challenging myself to look at another side of a issue.

People are saying he could have found another way to make his point but why should he have to make this point to begin with. We continually miss the easy things in this country. Where is the outrage for the 22 military vets a day who take their own lives. We are incarcerating children to fill beds in the juvenile system in this country for prison for profit corporations. A judge just received 28 years in jail for this crime in PA. I'm for anyone who wants to right wrongs and darn anyone who's only rebuttal is he should have found another way to make his voice heard. Sorry for the rant but I have grandkids I will be leaving behind someday and this shit needs to end. Acting like it doesn't exist will not get the job done.
 
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Gabby Douglas was 1st to do it. Personally I never knew flag represented US military
I guess some will argue that it is a symbol but when I served I never served the flag I served the people of the country. All the people. After Growing up in Norwood that was not easy for me to get to. It took many interactions with people who were different then me to realize I have been misled and conditioned based on hate. I still catch myself fighting off those feelings and thoughts daily. It is a battle that has to waged daily.
 
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Kaepernick can do whatever he wants. He should probably get better at playing QB though or he'll be out of a job.
 
In any walk of life, orders must be followed when given by your superiors (boss at work etc.). If you don't want to follow the rules, he should quit or be fired. For what he gets paid, he should stand on his head if asked to do so.
 
In any walk of life, orders must be followed when given by your superiors (boss at work etc.). If you don't want to follow the rules, he should quit or be fired. For what he gets paid, he should stand on his head if asked to do so.
Is it a rule to stand for the anthem? So if someone pays you enough money you should be willing to do anything he tells you. Really having trouble following your rational M64W. He makes a lot of money because he is a part of a industry that pays lots of money and he is part of a collective bargaining unit.
 
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Is it a rule to stand for the anthem? So if someone pays you enough money you should be willing to do anything he tells you. Really having trouble following your rational M64W. He makes a lot of money because he is a part of a industry that pays lots of money and he is part of a collective bargaining unit.

No, there is no NFL rule, but teams can have rules and coaches have rules. In the NFL, players get fined for not having their socks pulled up or not using clear tape to hold them up. If I was the coach or owner, I would cut him. No rule against that.
 
No, there is no NFL rule, but teams can have rules and coaches have rules. In the NFL, players get fined for not having their socks pulled up or not using clear tape to hold them up. If I was the coach or owner, I would cut him. No rule against that.
You would still have to deal with the contract issues and guranteed money he would be paid. He also may have a following around the league who agree with him. Teamates and other players around the league that agree with him may take issue with his situation. You cutting them as well? This is a very sensitive issue the league will need to be very careful in how they deal with this. Many are saying he has the right to not stand.
 
Anyone think this guys family will be standing up for the national anthem. He is one of 22 daily that takes this route.

http://www.nationofchange.org/2016/...mits-suicide-va-parking-lot-denied-treatment/
You're one of my favorite posters Waite and I generally agree with you on most issues. In this case, I'm a little off of your point of view. Just because he has the right to protest in this manner doesn't mean it's an appropriate response imo. He says he'll sit through the national anthem until America stands for what it's supposed to - equality for all.

Naturally I agree with that premise, but what if I think America should reform it's welfare system. Should I not stand and honor the flag? What if the guy next to me thinks Obamacare stinks. Should he not stand. And so on... Soon no one is standing because they think some portion of the American system isn't what it should be.

If Colin feels so strongly about this cause, he should add his voice an public platform to support one of the MANY existing groups rallying for his cause. If I think welfare reform is important, I could write my local representative to voice my concerns and join an existing group lobbying for this change.

The point is, Colin isn't pointing out some new or novel cause. He's simply trying to do something provocative to bring attention to himself. And how would it be if we went to the next Bearcats game and no one stood and recognized our national anthem - all for their own selfish causes which we wouldn't even understand.

I admit he has the right to do what he's doing and I have some sympathy for his cause, but I absolutely do not agree with or respect the manner in which he has chosen to make his feelings known.
 
Kaepernick can do whatever he wants. He should probably get better at playing QB though or he'll be out of a job.

Funny.....but I don't remember him having a problem with the USA when he was a starter and playing in the Super Bowl.....Pouting little brat now that he's been benched
 
He is ignorant and disrespectful. Stand and support the people who fought and died for our country (black, white, everyone). Hes doing nothing but making himself look stupid. Id cut his ass immediately. This oppressed country is where you are making millions. Stand up and stop being disrespectful and ignorant. And this shouldn't be news he is an absolute scub who cant even start over Blaine Gabbert.
 
If he feels that strongly he could always donate his salary to a cause... But no, sitting through the national anthem is more powerful.
 
You're one of my favorite posters Waite and I generally agree with you on most issues. In this case, I'm a little off of your point of view. Just because he has the right to protest in this manner doesn't mean it's an appropriate response imo. He says he'll sit through the national anthem until America stands for what it's supposed to - equality for all.

Naturally I agree with that premise, but what if I think America should reform it's welfare system. Should I not stand and honor the flag? What if the guy next to me thinks Obamacare stinks. Should he not stand. And so on... Soon no one is standing because they think some portion of the American system isn't what it should be.

If Colin feels so strongly about this cause, he should add his voice an public platform to support one of the MANY existing groups rallying for his cause. If I think welfare reform is important, I could write my local representative to voice my concerns and join an existing group lobbying for this change.

The point is, Colin isn't pointing out some new or novel cause. He's simply trying to do something provocative to bring attention to himself. And how would it be if we went to the next Bearcats game and no one stood and recognized our national anthem - all for their own selfish causes which we wouldn't even understand.

I admit he has the right to do what he's doing and I have some sympathy for his cause, but I absolutely do not agree with or respect the manner in which he has chosen to make his feelings known.
i understand your concern but I have to disagree somewhat. His not standing has shed more light on his cause then anything done recently to my recollection. And he did it peacefully. Brother your certainly entitled to your beliefs but we need real change in this country. It's my opinion unless your well armed with the almighty dollar in this country your chances of creating change is slim to none.
 
Funny.....but I don't remember him having a problem with the USA when he was a starter and playing in the Super Bowl.....Pouting little brat now that he's been benched
Doug you really think this is about his playing status? We got judges in this country sending kids to prison for millions of dollars. You rarely ever see this in the press. Keeping beds full is profitable.

http://www.africanamerica.org/topic/pa-judge-sentenced-to-28-years-for-selling-black-teens-to-prison

This is what he is talking about.
 
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If he feels that strongly he could always donate his salary to a cause... But no, sitting through the national anthem is more powerful.
He is donating. How many of his sponsors do you think will touch him now. You think he hasn't put his career at risk?
 
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