Patrick Bateman
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I think that if X played Indiana this year at Cintas they would probably beat them. They are like ND, they never ever lose at home, get all the calls.
Could be worse, at least Mike Rice isn't our coach
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JumpinJack5
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Please, don't even say the WMU kid. I agree that they will be better, but that kid is a joke. I've seen him play, it's like saying Biggie McClain had a huge impact at UC.
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unbeatable?
pacific, vandy, vcu, umass, and mighty wofford didn't think so. how anyone can say mack did a good job is beyond me. his team coughed up double digital leads at an alarming rate. that is on mack and his in game coaching skills...not because he had a few bad breaks before the season. people really belive a few additions will fix everything? guess we didn't learn anything watching uk this year. recruits don't fix everything that was a problem the year before.
i think the jury is still out on mack. he was able to roll the ball out to a couple guards and say go score for a few year. now he has his players and system in place and didn't even sniff the nit.
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oh, forgot to add my thoughts on rice. don't agree with the firing. was he a little over the top, maybe. that's for you to decide.
what i do know is this isn't a isolated thing. i wonder what hell would break loose if huggs, frank martin, or hell even cronin practice was leaked by a former coach who was fired and looking to even the score. it was a highlight of the ugly side but what about the good side? i'm sure anyone can put parts of a practice together to try and slander someone.
answer this question, what is worse a kids death or someone playing dodgeball with basketballs? where was the public out cry for brian kelly to be fired for ordering that kid to video tape his practice? the public doesn't care about that but if you throw a ball and call someone a name you're painted as some sort of madman.
shame on ru for caving into the public pressure. the fine and 5 games off was fair.
what i do know is this isn't a isolated thing. i wonder what hell would break loose if huggs, frank martin, or hell even cronin practice was leaked by a former coach who was fired and looking to even the score. it was a highlight of the ugly side but what about the good side? i'm sure anyone can put parts of a practice together to try and slander someone.
answer this question, what is worse a kids death or someone playing dodgeball with basketballs? where was the public out cry for brian kelly to be fired for ordering that kid to video tape his practice? the public doesn't care about that but if you throw a ball and call someone a name you're painted as some sort of madman.
shame on ru for caving into the public pressure. the fine and 5 games off was fair.
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I disagree, Mike Rice should've been fired and should've been fired when the story first came to light. There are right ways and wrong ways to handle yourself as a coach and he was clearly in the wrong. I know sometimes coaches grab a facemask to get attention or even grab a guy to move him into the right position. I don't have too much of a problem with that as long as it doesn't harm the players and the intent is not malicious. But that is different than what Rice was doing. Rice was being physical with players because he can't control his emotions. He threw balls at players out of anger, he two-hand shoved players out of anger, he kicked a guy out of anger. This was not an isolated incident either, this was repeated offenses which shows a pattern of behavior. The "gay-slurs" while I disagree with using, especially in an authoratative position to demean players is just bad taste in my opinion, but the physicality he had with his players should not be tolerated. If Mick were to be found to do this same thing I would sign the petition for his firing. I'm surprised his players didn't come forward with this. I would not play for that man and based on the way Rutgers played in the two games I saw them play they didn't seem to have too much fight in them on the court. His job is to make them better men and better basketball players, not bully them. I think the AD should be fired as well for not correcting the matter when he first learned of it. As far as Brian Kelly is concerned, I agree a bigger deal should be made of it, but it is a seperate issue and doesn't make what Rice did any less wrong.
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Bearcat_NTS
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Mick Cronin is on the early list of candidates Rutgers is interested in.
@TomLuicci at Star-Ledger lists these coaches on Rutgers radar: Dan Hurley, John Giannini, Fran Dunphy, Mick Cronin, Eddie Jordan -- Rich Hofmann (@TheIdleRich)
@TomLuicci at Star-Ledger lists these coaches on Rutgers radar: Dan Hurley, John Giannini, Fran Dunphy, Mick Cronin, Eddie Jordan -- Rich Hofmann (@TheIdleRich)
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And then they woke up. Rutgers isn't a basketball school, they need to find an Andy Enfield type coach who wants to take a step up from a mid major. Saving is a possibility, Mick is a pipe dream.
UCalum08
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Tom Luicci just lost any credibility he might of have saying Mick Cronin is a possible hire. That is comical lol
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I hate X but I thought Chris Mack did a helluva job coaching this season. I have no problem giving credit where it's due.
Maybe they go MAC again and try out the Akron coach. Although, Kent State's Waters didn't do so well there.
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I think "helluva job" is a bit of an exaggeration. Their team wasn't stacked but they didn't even make the NIT. Hard to say it was great job to somoene who doesn't even make the NIT. He did have a 5* PG (albeit a freshman) a returning PG who was pretty good and a few somewhat highly rated recruits at one point in time on their roster. I'd say he did an average job IMO.
BearcatMick
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Please stop talking about egg savior. They are a horrible, low major, high school level, terrible, criminal program that should never belong in these forums.
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I agree with Jeff. I gotta give credit where credit is due. They lost their entire starting 5(two unexpectedly), their top five leading scorers, and had two of their freshmen ineligible.
Think of it this way for UC this year:
-We lose Parker, Wright, and Mbodj.
-Hypothetically speaking, Lets say Kilpatrick leaves early(transfers or NBA) in the summer
-Hypothetically speaking, lets say Rubles leaves in the summer as well
In addition to that, lets say Kevin Johnson and Caupain are ineligible...How do you think UC would fare?
Which reminds me, since the Big East would not allow partial qualifiers, is UC now allowed to recruit and sign partial qualifiers in this new league?
that "low major" just replaced us in a great basketball conference...and UC is left on the outside looking in once again..."low major" does not apply to Xavier, nor has it for a long time...back to topic, Mack did alright in my opinion...still think it wasn't too much to expect a tournament appearance while playing in the A10...with that said, i wouldnt trade Cronin for him any day...
BearcatMick
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Stop talking about that crap school please
Mid-major simply means "non-bcs conference" in its purest form. It's really pointless to argue a team's success in reference to the term.
I figured Xavier would end up around and maybe a little under .500 and they ended up at 17-14 I believe. I think he did an above-average job this year and I was surprised how competitive they were. They let some bad teams beat them, but they also stuck with and beat a lot of good teams. That said, if I were a Xavier fan, I would want Mack gone yesterday.
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I think UC would struggle, which is what I expected from XU. And if that happened and UC didn't make it to the NIT I wouldn't say Mick did a helluva job. I have a hard time saying someone did a helluva job when they have a 5* and a couple 4*'s on their roster and they don't make the NIT. I'd say he did a decent job this year. Just my opinion.
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I think they got robbed in regard to the NIT and they were in the conversation for an NCAA bid till mid-Feb. That coupled with the outside distractions and holding the team together was admirable to me. Like I said, I hate X and I'm not a Mack fan, but that's just my opinion. Now I will go wash my hands. I feel dirty typing anything good about X or Mack.
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I would hardly call the NBE a "great basketball conference" with what is left. I'm guessing a 4-5 bid conference. The A-10 this year received 5 bids. I don't see where it will be drastically different. I think the AAC should get at least 4 bids every year as well. In basketball, the conference affiliation is so ridiculously over-rated, imo.
Correct. X fans think this is such a big move and it is because of PR that comes with playing these teams. In reality, the competition isn't much different.
