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Gabe Madsen is the best player in the class imo

He looks like the most skilled. You never know what kind of competition they are playing though. I know Saunders is always playing some of the best teams in the country. Always hard to tell.
 
It's rare that a freshman is good enough to come in and start.

IMO Adams-Woods has shown great progress in a short time. Brannen is right to start him over McNeal and I have no problem with him continuing to start next season. He's definitely a freshman. His decision making and defense will improve, making him even more appealing there. Not sure how high his ceiling is as a shooter, but he's already shown great instincts for just being aggressive and working to score. I love that most about him. I want the PG to have more assists, but you need the courage to drive through the defense first.

If Saunders is actually even better in year one, then I'd say Brannen's recruiting from where he started is truly impressive. But I don't get my hopes up for freshmen performing at the level where we want them to eventually be in year one. It's just setting yourself up for disappointment.

The front court players like Eason...well that's likely happening by default. Diarra is pretty unreliable, but the good news is he has improved this season. There's just a long way to be where we want and Eason might get there sooner. And hopefully we find another grad transfer to plug the gap.

No matter how good the Madsens are, I would never count on them to be starting in year one. I think the jump to college is just really hard to take it all in, and with Harvey and Davenport already gaining experience, they should be on the floor. I expect Harvey to build up some confidence in league play and over the summer the lessons will really sink in.

Yeah, this season isn't going well enough to not start considering future teams. LOL But I'm still cheering!
 
Gabe Madsen is the best player in the class imo

My guess is he will be the most prolific scorer of the Brannen recruits (so far). He's a play maker with a lightning quick release on the 3 ball (with accuracy).

I think all 3 can find decent minutes in year one given the overall youth and makeup of the team next year...and even Mason is an additional shooter for heat checks.
 
My guess is he will be the most prolific scorer of the Brannen recruits (so far). He's a play maker with a lightning quick release on the 3 ball (with accuracy).

I think all 3 can find decent minutes in year one given the overall youth and makeup of the team next year...and even Mason is an additional shooter for heat checks.


i was thinking the other day Gabe could be a guy in the running most 3's as a bearcat. a strange thought before he's ever put on a uniform but i'd have to imagine he'll attempt a ton of them over the course of his career here.


this year has obviously been a huge disappointment, but i can't help but be really excited about the young guys we're bringing in.
 
i was thinking the other day Gabe could be a guy in the running most 3's as a bearcat. a strange thought before he's ever put on a uniform but i'd have to imagine he'll attempt a ton of them over the course of his career here.


this year has obviously been a huge disappointment, but i can't help but be really excited about the young guys we're bringing in.

Agreed...he can catch and shoot but he also has a nice step back and can release the ball very fast at 6'5"-6'6" that will be hard to block. He seems to be able to shoot on the move.

I wonder what we do with MAW. Can you even slide him over to the wing with Harvey and Gabe fighting for that 2nd spot? Is he a good enough ball handler to run the point with Saunders coming in? Will Mason back up Saunders with MAW on wing or will we start with MAW on point and let Saunders back him up? After Keith is gone things open up a bit more.

I've heard people talking about a grad transfer wing...but I'm not sure I see that happening. I would rather grab another 4 and 5 and let the young guys get experience on the wing.
 
One other note about some of CJB's recruits is their competitive nature, enthusiasm and in some cases even cockiness.

Jarron has swagger but he's not firing up the rest of the team. I see guys like Saunders and Madsens adding some of that attitude we have been lacking this year. That killer instinct. MAW is confident. Davenport is excitable. I don't really know the demeanor of Eason. We haven't seen much of Harvey. But in general I think we are adding excitement and confidence.

This year's team just hasn't been able to maintain or manufacture the energy required to win the games we need to win.
 
Agreed...he can catch and shoot but he also has a nice step back and can release the ball very fast at 6'5"-6'6" that will be hard to block. He seems to be able to shoot on the move.

I wonder what we do with MAW. Can you even slide him over to the wing with Harvey and Gabe fighting for that 2nd spot? Is he a good enough ball handler to run the point with Saunders coming in? Will Mason back up Saunders with MAW on wing or will we start with MAW on point and let Saunders back him up? After Keith is gone things open up a bit more.

I've heard people talking about a grad transfer wing...but I'm not sure I see that happening. I would rather grab another 4 and 5 and let the young guys get experience on the wing.



if we could get a known 3 point shooter i'd take that, but outside of that the last 2 spots probably need to be big men.
 
One other note about some of CJB's recruits is their competitive nature, enthusiasm and in some cases even cockiness.

Jarron has swagger but he's not firing up the rest of the team. I see guys like Saunders and Madsens adding some of that attitude we have been lacking this year. That killer instinct. MAW is confident. Davenport is excitable. I don't really know the demeanor of Eason. We haven't seen much of Harvey. But in general I think we are adding excitement and confidence.

This year's team just hasn't been able to maintain or manufacture the energy required to win the games we need to win.


Eason is a talker. I noticed in a few of his highlights he wasn't shy about telling the guy guarding him what was up. we need to get our swagger back.
 
I suspect Brannen loves the idea of running two ball handlers out there at the same time in MAW and Saunders, especially given MAW’s three point success so far this season. His length and height will matchup well against most 2’s in the NCAA.

The biggest challenge will be how young next year’s team will be. Big steps needed from returning players, especially Keith, who will finally be needed as a primary go-to guy more than he has been in his first three years.

Something I’m excited about — Vogt took HUGE steps forward physically in his first Summer with the Bearcats. Having an entire offseason come April will be huge in taking his quickness and agility to another level. He could be truly dominant next season.
 
I suspect Brannen loves the idea of running two ball handlers out there at the same time in MAW and Saunders, especially given MAW’s three point success so far this season. His length and height will matchup well against most 2’s in the NCAA.

The biggest challenge will be how young next year’s team will be. Big steps needed from returning players, especially Keith, who will finally be needed as a primary go-to guy more than he has been in his first three years.

Something I’m excited about — Vogt took HUGE steps forward physically in his first Summer with the Bearcats. Having an entire offseason come April will be huge in taking his quickness and agility to another level. He could be truly dominant next season.

Vogt is certainly going to be confident heading into next year! I don't know how much more agile he can get but he better not skip leg day at the gym! I like MAW on the wing too just not sure how the minutes are going to shake out with Madsen(s) and Harvey. I don't know if Vogt and Keith are enough so I agree we will need some guys to step up right away. I guess there will be enough minutes to go around.
 
Ryan James, a recruiting analyst from MN, did a spot on Cincy Slangin’ and sounded very bullish on Mason.

Not that he doesn’t see the upside in Gabe, but the word is out on Mason as a high level shooter, good defender, and nice creator.

I suspect the Madsen brothers’ immediate impact will be limited, but I don’t find myself questioning the decision to take Mason along with Gabe anymore.

Mason seems to be turning into a lower end high major D1 prospect as opposed to a solid mid major guy. When they are the first and last players into and out of the gym...I would suspect we could see significant improvement over the years. Perhaps someday watching them feed off each other's emotions in a couple years could be a very nice windfall. I would imagine you can put them on the court together and each will know exactly where the other is going as virtual extensions of one another.

I remember when Cronin was talking up KJ and Troy when most fans were wondering if we could lower KJ's minutes. He said those two were just in tune with each other out on the court and that is an intangible that is hard to quantify. Watching our continuity issues this year...I am excited to see what that type of dynamic could bring from the twins.
 
Eason is a talker. I noticed in a few of his highlights he wasn't shy about telling the guy guarding him what was up. we need to get our swagger back.

Yeah I saw those too, I like it, he’s definitely gonna be a player we will
Love and other teams will hate, but he is very cocky and rightfully so, he doesn’t play the best competition in Washington, but he went to the nba camp at Virginia and was very impressive in that showing, I think he’s going to be good. Kinda reminds me a little bit of octavius ellis just 2” shorter and better handles.
 
It's going to be interesting next year when there is not really a clear cut player that you have to find ways to get him the ball outside of the context of your natural offensive system.

Like it or not Brannen likely feels obligated to change the offense a little for Jarron at times. Next year I think the talent will be somewhat equal to one another and Brannen can run his sets without feeling the need to switch gears for a single player quite as much. We will still want to feed Vogt a lot...but we are doing that now...and it is part of the system to do that.

As young as we will be I think the coach won't have to worry so much about damaging egos. It will be more of a pure style of play for him where everyone shares the load. I don't think Keith is the type of player you need to design a specific offense around and he works well in the system anyway.
 
It's going to be interesting next year when there is not really a clear cut player that you have to find ways to get him the ball outside of the context of your natural offensive system.

Like it or not Brannen likely feels obligated to change the offense a little for Jarron at times. Next year I think the talent will be somewhat equal to one another and Brannen can run his sets without feeling the need to switch gears for a single player quite as much. We will still want to feed Vogt a lot...but we are doing that now...and it is part of the system to do that.

As young as we will be I think the coach won't have to worry so much about damaging egos. It will be more of a pure style of play for him where everyone shares the load. I don't think Keith is the type of player you need to design a specific offense around and he works well in the system anyway.


i think we're looking for a progression like what Dayton has done the last 3 years. Now they've got the players Grant wants for the system and they're rocking it out. We aren't as likely to have a player as dominant as Obi, but we can have multiple shooters and multiple guys that can score. Grant/Brannens system works.
 
i think we're looking for a progression like what Dayton has done the last 3 years. Now they've got the players Grant wants for the system and they're rocking it out. We aren't as likely to have a player as dominant as Obi, but we can have multiple shooters and multiple guys that can score. Grant/Brannens system works.

I would agree here. Also we are 305th in 3 pt FG%. CJB's teams have historically been in the 35% range. We would have scored 42 more points this year with that avg. Spread the right way that would be enough to have won all of our games even with a ton of TO's. I know it doesn't work that way...

I would also hope with a higher caliber recruit than at NKU we could maybe even get in that 36-37% range. But I would be happy with 35 since the line moved back.

With all of the things that can/could have happened this year. Lower TO's, better 2nd half adjustments, shoot better 3%, a little tighter D in the 2nd half etc...there are loads of ways to make improvements and win games. Brannen is a smart guy and likes analytics so I still have optimism about the future with him.
 
We wasn't going very far anyway once i seen our slow plodding C's jad better ball skills than most of our guards. MAW plays scared, McNeal just has zero confidence, jaevin was a wasted roster spot, jarron only can do so much, KW can't dribble, harvey should've sat out this year.

This roster in need of couple SF with ball skills. I'll take two Rashad's Bishop's over two more plodding C's.
 
We wasn't going very far anyway once i seen our slow plodding C's jad better ball skills than most of our guards. MAW plays scared, McNeal just has zero confidence, jaevin was a wasted roster spot, jarron only can do so much, KW can't dribble, harvey should've sat out this year.

This roster in need of couple SF with ball skills. I'll take two Rashad's Bishop's over two more plodding C's.

Jaevin is far from a wasted roster spot. He can change the game in the course of 5 minutes when hot. Harvey cannot right now. McNeal cannot right now. Davenport cannot right now. Diara cannot right now. Moore could not. MAW is solid but not a game changer. Sorolla is solid but not a game changer.
 
He looks like the most skilled. You never know what kind of competition they are playing though. I know Saunders is always playing some of the best teams in the country. Always hard to tell.

from my understanding is they are playing in a really good conference
 
from my understanding is they are playing in a really good conference

All you really need to do is watch Gabe's skillset and compare it to past and present players. I mean Keith has a step back J but he's not all that accurate. We have seen many players who can make a set 3 over time but not many who can make one on the move and even fewer who have his quick release. This kid knows how to get defenders off balance ala Jarron (even though Jarron is elite at this). Gabe has decent to above handles (for a SF) with nice stop and go action and is very controlled going to the rack. He also rebounds well. He understands the game like Jarron does. He's a high BB IQ guy.

IMO his skillset is better than 90% of our recruits over the last decade and if their skillsets have translated to high major D1 BB...then I think Gabe's will as well. Whether his competition is good or at the level of Saunders I don't think matters so much. He can play ball with the best IMO
 
Jaevin is far from a wasted roster spot. He can change the game in the course of 5 minutes when hot. Harvey cannot right now. McNeal cannot right now. Davenport cannot right now. Diara cannot right now. Moore could not. MAW is solid but not a game changer. Sorolla is solid but not a game changer.

"When Hot"??? They all high major D1 athletes. If any of them couldn't change the game on their best nights, why are they here? I said from get go to go after former 5* kids on transfer list. Coach gambled for full roster when we shouldve had high profile recruits coming in along with other recruits.
 
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