Future teams

[juckerrules]

These few lines, lifted from AP recap of Texas Tech/Michigan State summarizes all I need to know about whether UC should chase grad transfers or not:

While the Red Raiders were locking down Michigan State on one end, the graduate transfer shooting guard was raining in 3s on the other, lifting Tech one win away from a title Saturday night with a 61-51 victory over the Spartans in the Final Four.

 

[z_bearcat]

These few lines, lifted from AP recap of Texas Tech/Michigan State summarizes all I need to know about whether UC should chase grad transfers or not:

While the Red Raiders were locking down Michigan State on one end, the graduate transfer shooting guard was raining in 3s on the other, lifting Tech one win away from a title Saturday night with a 61-51 victory over the Spartans in the Final Four.

Amen, brother. Preach!!

 

[cincycpaw]

These few lines, lifted from AP recap of Texas Tech/Michigan State summarizes all I need to know about whether UC should chase grad transfers or not:

While the Red Raiders were locking down Michigan State on one end, the graduate transfer shooting guard was raining in 3s on the other, lifting Tech one win away from a title Saturday night with a 61-51 victory over the Spartans in the Final Four.

Yup. Grad transfer are the new JUCO. Providing specific skills that teams are missing AND bringing in even more experience.

 

[Queens_NYC]

Texas Tech lost 6 of their top 8 players from last season. Of course, they were going to be an attractive option for grad transfers last offseason as would any other school that experienced major attrition.

Yes, in an ideal world we maximize our scholarships each year to put together the most competitive roster possible to maximize our winning potential. But with a roster that is currently planning on having 12 healthy/eligible scholarship bodies next season I think it's pretty easy to understand why our coaching staff is not actively recruiting grad transfers and why none of the top options at the moment are considering us. If there were a greater chance that Cumberland bolts then I'd be all for filling his spot with a grad transfer.

I think it makes more sense to recruit a sit-out option who can fill in for Cumberland in 20-21.

 

[Bcatfollower]

Texas Tech lost 6 of their top 8 players from last season. Of course, they were going to be an attractive option for grad transfers last offseason as would any other school that experienced major attrition.

Yes, in an ideal world we maximize our scholarships each year to put together the most competitive roster possible to maximize our winning potential. But with a roster that is currently planning on having 12 healthy/eligible scholarship bodies next season I think it's pretty easy to understand why our coaching staff is not actively recruiting grad transfers and why none of the top options at the moment are considering us. If there were a greater chance that Cumberland bolts then I'd be all for filling his spot with a grad transfer.

I think it makes more sense to recruit a sit-out option who can fill in for Cumberland in 20-21.

Who cares who you have coming back if the grad transfer is a significant upgrade. Makes no sense not to pursue them if they can make your team better; if they take a current players minutes then so be it... it’s all about competition and no ones role should ever be guaranteed

 

[Queens_NYC]

Who cares who you have coming back if the grad transfer is a significant upgrade. Makes no sense not to pursue them if they can make your team better; if they take a current players minutes then so be it... it’s all about competition and no ones role should ever be guaranteed

Again, there goes the sentiment that grad transfers who are capable at the high major level are a dime a dozen.

Let's take a look at grad transfers that played in the AAC this past season and how they fared.

Tarin Smith - UConn

17-18 (Duquesne): 12.4 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 3.2 apg, 33.3% 3FG
18-19: 8.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.4 apg, 23% 3FG

Nat Dixon - SMU

17-18 (Chattanooga): 13.8 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 39.5 3FG
18-19: 5.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 32.6% 3FG

Landon Goesling - Houston

17-18 (St. Edwards - D2): 22.9 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 3.0 apg 38.4% 3FG
18-19: 18 games, 2.7 ppg, 10% (2-20) 3 FG


Kassoum Yakwe - UConn

17-18 (St. John's): 24 games, 2.2 ppg, 2.1 rpg
18-19: 13 games, 1.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg


You could make a half argument for Smith, but otherwise there was not a single grad transfer in the league last year who made their team better.

 

[Bcatfollower]

Again, there goes the sentiment that grad transfers who are capable at the high major level are a dime a dozen.

Let's take a look at grad transfers that played in the AAC this past season and how they fared.

Tarin Smith - UConn

17-18 (Duquesne): 12.4 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 3.2 apg, 33.3% 3FG
18-19: 8.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.4 apg, 23% 3FG

Nat Dixon - SMU

17-18 (Chattanooga): 13.8 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 39.5 3FG
18-19: 5.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 32.6% 3FG

Landon Goesling - Houston

17-18 (St. Edwards - D2): 22.9 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 3.0 apg 38.4% 3FG
18-19: 18 games, 2.7 ppg, 10% (2-20) 3 FG


Kassoum Yakwe - UConn

17-18 (St. John's): 24 games, 2.2 ppg, 2.1 rpg
18-19: 13 games, 1.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg


You could make a half argument for Smith, but otherwise there was not a single grad transfer in the league last year who made their team better.

Why would grad transfers want to play on teams that don’t have a good chance of making the tourney. I think you take it on a case by case basis, however to never consider grad transfers is stupid. Now mick probably does try but his loyalty to players who put their time in regardless of results probably turns players off

 

[Queens_NYC]

Why would grad transfers want to play on teams that don’t have a good chance of making the tourney. I think you take it on a case by case basis, however to never consider grad transfers is stupid. Now mick probably does try but his loyalty to players who put their time in regardless of results probably turns players off

What does that have anything to do with my previous post?

I agree that grad transfers should be considered on a case by case basis, and my argument is that with the current make-up of the 19-20 team, it makes more sense to me to pursue a sit-out transfer with our last scholarship who will contribute in 20-21, than a grad transfer (in a more diluted pool) who would be expected to contribute next season.

I know the main (and what seems to be the only) argument against that approach is that Moore, Fredericks, and Williams shot the 3 poorly this past season, particularly towards the end, and that next year's team will have a major outside shooting deficiency unless we bring an additional player to resolve that issue.

I personally don't believe that is the solution. I want us to focus on developing our own guys. I have faith in our own players before I do a low-mid major one-year rental who may fall short in a number of areas that are meaningful to the team.

It's a philosophical difference but I believe it's one that's best for next year's group.

 

[juckerrules]

Hell, the women have caught on as well...just watched a great NC game as Baylor beat Norte Dame behind the game’s outstanding player, GRAD TRANSFER Chloe Jackson’s 26 pts.

 

[Queens_NYC]

Well with Cronin out the door and what I'm guessing will be several players to follow, let's start talking about grad transfers again lol.

 

[Mcginnjw]

This is probably the best possible situation for Cronin to leave. He went to a blue blood that nobody can blame him for taking. We only have one recruit and he is local. We have a brand new arena and strong returning class.

The key is to hold the current roster together and nail the 2020 class. That needs to be our top priority when looking for a coach.

 

[Mcginnjw]

This is probably the best possible situation for Cronin to leave. He went to a blue blood that nobody can blame him for taking. We only have one recruit and he is local. We have a brand new arena and strong returning class.

The key is to hold the current roster together and nail the 2020 class. That needs to be our top priority when looking for a coach.

Not to mention there is a wealth of talent in the transfer portal.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

Any chance Jarron's cousins transfers in for a 1 year grad transfer, play immediately?

17.2ppg. 85 percent ft. 40 percent 3pt.

Sign. Me up.

 

[jbreeds1]

Any chance Jarron's cousins transfers in for a 1 year grad transfer, play immediately?

17.2ppg. 85 percent ft. 40 percent 3pt.

Sign. Me up.

Maybe if we hire the right guy. I can't imagine he'd plan on transferring here until he knows who the head coach will be. Unless him and Jarron had a discussion...

 

[TheLivingLegend]

Maybe if we hire the right guy. I can't imagine he'd plan on transferring here until he knows who the head coach will be. Unless him and Jarron had a discussion...

Jarron needs to get on the phone right now then lol.

Sounds like a great great great snag.

 

[cincyalum2014]

Looks like Fredricks will be the first to transfer. Not to upset about this one. He would be fighting for minutes with only a year of eligibility left. Good luck elsewhere.

 

[the_one_32]

Looks like Fredricks will be the first to transfer. Not to upset about this one. He would be fighting for minutes with only a year of eligibility left. Good luck elsewhere.

Not a gigantic loss. Opens up another scholarship and hopefully the new coach can bring in new, more talented guys to fill those open spots. The one i definitely don't want to see transfer is Logan Johnson.

 

[sirthought]

I wish things had worked out differently for Fredricks. It shocked me how bad his shot looked based on the praise Cronin had given before the season. I know his job was to hustle on defense and rebound, but we need more scoring talent on the floor and that kid just looked overwhelmed.

 

[cincyguy13]

Looks like Fredricks will be the first to transfer. Not to upset about this one. He would be fighting for minutes with only a year of eligibility left. Good luck elsewhere.

I wonder where he is going. Surprised he didn’t stick around to see who will be the coach. Makes me wonder if he was going to transfer anyway. Didn’t get many minutes anyway.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

I wish things had worked out differently for Fredricks. It shocked me how bad his shot looked based on the praise Cronin had given before the season. I know his job was to hustle on defense and rebound, but we need more scoring talent on the floor and that kid just looked overwhelmed.

Cronin overpromised on most recruits... he told me lance was the best talent he's seen since Oscar... he's told me Trevor was the best shooter he's ever seen. Etc.