Future teams

[waterhead]

Williams and Tre handles below average to non existent, I highly doubt either push pace dribbling. Cumberland has shaky handles at best, he very seldom was asked bring ball up under pressure. Going out getting two PGs more likely knowing Jaevin was coming let's us know coach seen we needed help bad ball handling. It was one of his biggest improvements he wanted see from team was basic ball handling.

I don't know. Yes we always need ball handlers but I think McNeal is a backup plan and MAW is a future plan.

I am not comfortable with either Cumberland or Williams breaking a press on their own...but I don't mind any of them rotating and initiating the half court offense. So we will have to see what happens when we get full court press on us. McNeal may have to come in. I would be surprised if he is a starter or gets starter minutes.

 

[Helicopter]

I think Mcneal is going to see significant minutes. MAW too (for a FR).

In today's modern college basketball you can get away from running a true PF, true C but you will get murdered without a true PG.

I think our best starting 5 is: Mcneal, JCx2, Williams, Scott with Diarra, MAW, Davenport, Gillam getting respectable minutes.

Diarra hasn't shown me enough to think he starts.

 

[Queens_NYC]

I think there's a good chance Jaevin plays starter-like minutes (~25/game) but whether he starts or not remains to be seen.

I could see a starting line-up of McNeal, Jarron, Williams, Scott and Sorolla but Jaevin and Diarra end up getting more minutes than McNeal and Sorolla.

If Jarron picks up a foul early in the game, throw in Jaevin right away. If McNeal misses a few open shots, have Jaevin take his place. If Sorolla struggles to guard a smaller, quicker center, throw Diarra in and possibly move Scott over to the 5.

Lots of options for in-game adjustments if we have some of our more versatile players come off the bench.

 

[mdchick]

I think Mcneal is going to see significant minutes. MAW too (for a FR).

In today's modern college basketball you can get away from running a true PF, true C but you will get murdered without a true PG.

I think our best starting 5 is: Mcneal, JCx2, Williams, Scott with Diarra, MAW, Davenport, Gillam getting respectable minutes.

Diarra hasn't shown me enough to think he starts.

I don’t think Tre Scott is a good enough rebounder to play a 4 guard lineup around him is the only problem, other than him kw will be the only other solid rebounder on the floor, defensively I don’t see this lineup working a whole lot, offensively I could see it

 

[cincrulz11]

I don’t think Tre Scott is a good enough rebounder to play a 4 guard lineup around him is the only problem, other than him kw will be the only other solid rebounder on the floor, defensively I don’t see this lineup working a whole lot, offensively I could see it

defensive rebounding is important to brannen and not only is scott not a great one, none of the guards are good rebounders. KW is NOT a good rebounder defensively. his DR% was barely higher than jenifer and broome.


jarron is alright for a sg, but he's nowhere near what Parker was, and nobody else is even close to what jarron is.


its going to be interesting to see how brannen works around this.

 

[cincrulz11]

I think there's a good chance Jaevin plays starter-like minutes (~25/game) but whether he starts or not remains to be seen.

I could see a starting line-up of McNeal, Jarron, Williams, Scott and Sorolla but Jaevin and Diarra end up getting more minutes than McNeal and Sorolla.

If Jarron picks up a foul early in the game, throw in Jaevin right away. If McNeal misses a few open shots, have Jaevin take his place. If Sorolla struggles to guard a smaller, quicker center, throw Diarra in and possibly move Scott over to the 5.

Lots of options for in-game adjustments if we have some of our more versatile players come off the bench.

Jaevin could start over KW. He's a better player. KW 2nd half wasn't that great.


Jaevin probably didn't come here to be a 6th man. He could have gone other places and started, he's probably our 2nd best player, he's going to start I would have to think.


Brannen has no loyalty to KW like Mick would.

 

[waterhead]

I think there's a good chance Jaevin plays starter-like minutes (~25/game) but whether he starts or not remains to be seen.

I could see a starting line-up of McNeal, Jarron, Williams, Scott and Sorolla but Jaevin and Diarra end up getting more minutes than McNeal and Sorolla.

If Jarron picks up a foul early in the game, throw in Jaevin right away. If McNeal misses a few open shots, have Jaevin take his place. If Sorolla struggles to guard a smaller, quicker center, throw Diarra in and possibly move Scott over to the 5.

Lots of options for in-game adjustments if we have some of our more versatile players come off the bench.

One of the main reasons we were looking for a good SG is so that they can be on the court with Jarron and shoot the kickouts. We don't have any other reliable accurate shooter on the roster (as far as we know). Jaevin is not going to be nearly as effective with Jarron off the court. But McNeal would probably be okay if Jarron was not on the court.

I think you have to play the two Cumberland's together as much as possible

 

[Loser Mentality]

Just my opinion, there is no way Keith Williams does not start. If all the Cumberland movement would not have happened, Williams would be the face of the program with the highest ceiling.
No one has been more aggressive, to the point he will dunk on you in the Cronin era than Williams for players 6'5 and under. That speaks volumes to the type of fearless player he is. You can't teach that.The last 2 years of Keith have been like driving a stick, wrapped around the notion of "I might be coming out" No that we've switched coaches, I think we can say bye bye to the stick driving version of Keith, to the automatic drive Keith. I also saw a comment about rebounding in regard to Keith...Come on man, I thought his rebounding was superb, outside of %'s due to game situations, and playing time scenarios. I must have been watching a different Keith Williams...IJS

 

[Vanhoop]

Starters PG Mcneal SG Jarron C Forward Tre Scott I guarantee these 3 starters. But will it be Keith or Jaevin on the other guard spot??? One or the other will be the super 6 man with lots of minutes clearly. As for the 5th starter a forward but not sure who yet.

 

[cincyalum2014]

I think there's a good chance Jaevin plays starter-like minutes (~25/game) but whether he starts or not remains to be seen.

I could see a starting line-up of McNeal, Jarron, Williams, Scott and Sorolla but Jaevin and Diarra end up getting more minutes than McNeal and Sorolla.

If Jarron picks up a foul early in the game, throw in Jaevin right away. If McNeal misses a few open shots, have Jaevin take his place. If Sorolla struggles to guard a smaller, quicker center, throw Diarra in and possibly move Scott over to the 5.

Lots of options for in-game adjustments if we have some of our more versatile players come off the bench.

I don't think Jaevin is coming here to come off the bench when he could of went to Oregon or Michigan and started.

 

[juckerrules]

Losses Replacement My Suss

Jenifer - McNeal/MAW Slight downgrade experience-wise

Broome - Jaevin At least a wash, maybe upgrade

Brooks - Sorolla downgrade

Johnson - MAW/McNeal wash –McNeal much better assist/TO ratio, fewer fouls, …LoJo much better on boards & shooting (except from 3)..MAW unknown @ncaa level

Nsoseme - Prince/Hardnett upgrade offense/down defense

Fredericks - Prince/Hardnett gotta be an upgrade

Curtis - Davenport dunno…we’ll see

I don’t mention anyone as a replacement who was already an active player

I might have the personnel match-ups as far as positions totally out of line...I dunno
Any thoughts, corrections etc.?

 

[sedziobs]

FWIW, here are Torvik's projections:

Jarron----32 mins, 19 pts, 4 reb
Scott-----31 mins, 12 pts, 7 reb
Jaevin----27 mins, 9 pts, 3 reb
Williams--27 mins, 10 pts, 4 reb
McNeal---26 mins, 8 pts, 3 reb
Moore----20 mins, 5 pts, 3 reb
Sorolla---14 mins, 3 pts, 2 reb
MAW-----12 mins, 3 pts, 2 reb
Hardnett-8 mins, 2 pts, 1 reb
Diarra----5 mins, 2 pts, 0 reb

#44 overall
#71 offense
#27 defense
#331 tempo

70% tourney odds, most likely seed 9.

I would guess Diarra and Prince will take some of the minutes assigned to Moore, but overall it's not a bad guess for a computer algorithm. The team rankings are obviously factoring in too much of Cronin's style.

 

[Queens_NYC]

The only reason I don't pencil in Jaevin as an automatic starter is because he is still a mystery in many ways. It seems like 1/3 of the board thinks he should occupy our starting 1 spot, 1/3 of the board thinks he should replace our incumbent starter at the 3 spot, and the other 1/3 doesn't know what to do with him yet.

McNeal's and Sorolla's roles are easier to envision for next season because each only plays one position on each end of the floor. Cumberland's position appears to be a bit more ambiguous even though I'm under the impression he has always just been a 2.

I'd love to see Jaevin and Jarron on the floor together as much as possible next season, but there are going to be times when Jarron will have to sit for extended periods of time (5+ minutes). The thought of having someone with the same alpha mentality and similar shot-making abilities to fill in for him is a huge asset, and if that player could enter those situations with fresher legs, then all the better.

 

[waterhead]

Cumberland 32.5
Scott...32.5

Williams...27.5
Cumberland...27.5

Diara...20
Sorolla...12.5

McNeal...15
MAW...5

Moore...12.5
Gillam...7.5
Hardnett...7.5

Davenport...0 (RS)
Vogt...0 (sit out)

 

[skyblade]

Cumberland 32.5
Scott...32.5

Williams...27.5
Cumberland...27.5

Diara...20
Sorolla...12.5

McNeal...15
MAW...5

Moore...12.5
Gillam...7.5
Hardnett...7.5

Davenport...0 (RS)
Vogt...0 (sit out)

I'm with the McNeal isn't starting squad. Even if McNeal started Jarron would have to play some PG minutes. McNeal just doesn't look like a starter compared to Jaevin/Williams.

Scott 32.5
Jarron 32.5

Jaevin 30
Williams 27.5

Diarra 20
Sorolla 7.5

Moore 20
McNeal 10
MAW 5

Hardnett 7.5
Gillam 7.5

Davenport (RS)

 

[skyblade]

Losses Replacement My Suss

Jenifer - McNeal/MAW Slight downgrade experience-wise

Broome - Jaevin At least a wash, maybe upgrade

Brooks - Sorolla downgrade

Johnson - MAW/McNeal wash –McNeal much better assist/TO ratio, fewer fouls, …LoJo much better on boards & shooting (except from 3)..MAW unknown @ncaa level

Nsoseme - Prince/Hardnett upgrade offense/down defense

Fredericks - Prince/Hardnett gotta be an upgrade

Curtis - Davenport dunno…we’ll see

I don’t mention anyone as a replacement who was already an active player

I might have the personnel match-ups as far as positions totally out of line...I dunno
Any thoughts, corrections etc.?

I'd say Jenifer to McNeal/MAW is more than a slight downgrade in terms of experience and shooting.

Jaevin I'd say is an upgrade over Broome at least when Jarron is also on the floor. His 3-point shooting should be huge. But not sure he can create his own shot as well as Broome could at times.

Brooks to Sorolla is a massive downgrade, but hopefully Diarra can shoulder the load.

LoJo to McNeal/MAW I'd agree is a wash. I'd call MAW a slight downgrade just because he is a year behind and less experienced.

Hardnett/Prince are the hardest one to guess on. I'm hoping one or the other of them (or both) can provide quality minutes this year. Like Diarra they have tons of potential, it's just a question of how quick they will be able to use it. Hardnett might even be able to sub in for Diarra at center.

 

[dj3600]

I'm with the McNeal isn't starting squad. Even if McNeal started Jarron would have to play some PG minutes. McNeal just doesn't look like a starter compared to Jaevin/Williams.

Scott 32.5
Jarron 32.5

Jaevin 30
Williams 27.5

Diarra 20
Sorolla 7.5

Moore 20
McNeal 10
MAW 5

Hardnett 7.5
Gillam 7.5

Davenport (RS)

With them pressing I think he will have to use the bench more.So here is my guess.

Jarron 30
Scott 30

Williams 25
Jaevin 25

Diarra 20
Sorolla 10 (think this will depend on the game but 30 min split between these guys seem about right)

Moore 13
McNeal 19 (again I think you have about 40 min between these 3)
MAW 9

Hardnett 9
Gillam 10

Davenport (RS)

 

[mdchick]

defensive rebounding is important to brannen and not only is scott not a great one, none of the guards are good rebounders. KW is NOT a good rebounder defensively. his DR% was barely higher than jenifer and broome.


jarron is alright for a sg, but he's nowhere near what Parker was, and nobody else is even close to what jarron is.


its going to be interesting to see how brannen works around this.

Kw at least has to tools to be a good rebounder I feel like he’s always up the floor looking for a fast break that is his problem I don’t think he lacks actual rebounding skill it’s his mindset and positioning

 

[waterhead]

I'm with the McNeal isn't starting squad. Even if McNeal started Jarron would have to play some PG minutes. McNeal just doesn't look like a starter compared to Jaevin/Williams.

Scott 32.5
Jarron 32.5

Jaevin 30
Williams 27.5

Diarra 20
Sorolla 7.5

Moore 20
McNeal 10
MAW 5

Hardnett 7.5
Gillam 7.5

Davenport (RS)

Looking at McNeals page on Torvik site...he had the worst ORTG on his team when at NM by a good margin. Yes he provides value as a ball handler distributor but I'm not sure we want him out there more than straight backup minutes.

Jaevin would have the highest ORTG (carried over from last year) on our team as of right now. In the Horizon but you get the picture.

 

[cincrulz11]

Looking at McNeals page on Torvik site...he had the worst ORTG on his team when at NMSU by a good margin. Yes he provides value as a ball handler distributor but I'm not sure we want him out there more than straight backup minutes.

Jaevin would have the highest ORTG (carried over from last year) on our team as of right now. In the Horizon but you get the picture.

Brannen is just going to have a heart to heart with McNeal if Mcneal plays a lot. McNeal thinks he's a great 3 point shooter by the way he talks and the amount he takes, but he's not. If he wants minutes on this team he's gonna have to understand he's the 4th best option at best. He's here to take care of the ball, push it when the opportunity presents itself, and get us in our sets in the half court. He shouldnt be shooting much.