Future teams

[TheLongHaul]

I guarantee that would not be the majority attitude around here if he was signing with, say, Xavier. Multiple boys involved in an incident that resulted in them taking and sharing sexually explicit material of a single younger girl is sure as hell not something that 95% of all teenagers are guilty of.

He pled down and there is nothing stopping him from getting a scholarship and moving on, but 1. let's realize this isn't just Brannen landing an amazing player in a vacuum 2. normalizing this sort of thing with "everyone does it" just because he stands to help your team win games is precisely what leads to wild abuses - pretty much every university athletics sex scandal (and there have been far too many) metastasizes because people rationalize unacceptable behavior because doing so helps "their side" win games.

Maybe it wouldn't be, but we have a lot of not-so-good posters around here. And you apparently didn't read what I said or are struggling with reading comprehension. I said 95% would be guilty of the promotion of a girl to perform sexual acts. They were less than a year apart. Your statement that what I said leads to wild abuses is ridiculous. Get a grip.

Forcing out Hardnett, who had the size to play the 4/5 and replacing him with another guard seems weird (even though Harvey is highly rated). We already have a lot of depth at guard and lacking big man depth. Now we have even more guards and fewer bigs.

It's amazing comparing your conclusions when it relates to Cronin vs. Brannen. Already assuming that he was forced out and he wasn't given a choice. And you can't compare Hardnett and Hargraves height as if all else is equal. Hardnett's height does nothing if he isn't good enough to see the court.

Bro do u know who mick really was and where he started from. He was recruiting like he was part of mob, only wanting the best of the best players and getting them however he needed get them. He famously claims he pimped recruiting services to get satterfield bumped up to 5*. Snitched on ohio state about flint getting a meal on visit

Grayson high school had *5 star football recruit that had exactly same situation. He had go all way down to juco

You avoid the argument. I don't care who Mick really was. I know his background, it's not relevant. Huggins wasn't going to let an assistant coach make the decision on forcing a player out in place of a recruit. Never, ever, would that happen. Stop saying stupid shit and think a little before you post.

 

[TheRealMick]

You avoid the argument. I don't care who Mick really was. I know his background, it's not relevant. Huggins wasn't going to let an assistant coach make the decision on forcing a player out in place of a recruit. Never, ever, would that happen. Stop saying stupid shit and think a little before you post.

Demarr is still our highest rated recruit ever i believe. Was rumored try go pro after his JR year of high school. You don't need permission to sign him

 

[TheLongHaul]

Demarr is still our highest rated recruit ever i believe. Was rumored try go pro after his JR year of high school. You don't need permission to sign him

Mick would have been fired on the spot had he forced McGhee out without Huggins permission.

 

[sirthought]

The lack of size and our unproven centers are the biggest concerns to me. We've had undersized teams before, but those teams had tough guards who played bigger than their size.

Jarron could be that type of guard, but will he wear down? Moore could also be and played the 4 last year at times.

Keith, Jaevin and McNeal all seem like guys who don't like to battle inside. They are going to have to start scrapping for every rebound.

Forcing out Hardnett, who had the size to play the 4/5 and replacing him with another guard seems weird (even though Harvey is highly rated). We already have a lot of depth at guard and lacking big man depth. Now we have even more guards and fewer bigs.

The center position was going to be the most challenging this season with or without Hardnett. Yeah, he was another body to back guys up, but he was still a freshman and wouldn't play much.

Not that the two things are related, but if you can get a scorer like this kid is said to be, then you do it. Your problems at center reduce a lot if there are more good scorers.

 

[Thegreatone]

Taking a look at this potential roster with Harvey. We don't have a bunch of projects that had a couple offers from small power 5 schools.

Jarron - top 50 recruit that could start for anyone in the country.
Jaevin - was headed to Michigan
Harvey - was likely headed to Kansas
Williams - Top 125 player and POY in NYC

Add high level role players and we can do some real damage. We have high level talent this year. To me, it is all about how fast we can adjust to the style of play.

 

[cincyguy13]

I guarantee that would not be the majority attitude around here if he was signing with, say, Xavier. Multiple boys involved in an incident that resulted in them taking and sharing sexually explicit material of a single younger girl is sure as hell not something that 95% of all teenagers are guilty of.

He pled down and there is nothing stopping him from getting a scholarship and moving on, but 1. let's realize this isn't just Brannen landing an amazing player in a vacuum 2. normalizing this sort of thing with "everyone does it" just because he stands to help your team win games is precisely what leads to wild abuses - pretty much every university athletics sex scandal (and there have been far too many) metastasizes because people rationalize unacceptable behavior because doing so helps "their side" win games.

With Snapchat, cellphones, and instagram, I bet the percentage for this behavior in teens is closer to 100%.

Also the girls could have been in the same grade. He was 16 and the girls was 15. Look, it’s never great to have these issues but to think this isn’t part of today’s society is naive

 

[cincyalum2014]

Why would height matter when Laquill was most likely never going to see the floor? Harvey can most likely come in and contribute right away. I think it may be better for both parties that he go to a smaller school and potentially be one of the best players on that team, hopefully he can get a waiver or something and play right away. We are basically renting a 7 footer for a year in Scorolla, then we have Scott, Diarra and Prince who can play in the post as well. Laquill most likely was behind all 4 of them.

I am not defending Harvey in any way because he absolutely made a poor choice...… but remember when you were 16, most 16 year old boys are dumb, immature, think they know everything and make mistakes. That's not an excuse for what he did but mistakes happen and if the board decides he can't come because of that so be it.

Also he is still available because he has reclassified twice, he was in 2019 class than reclassified to 2020 and then found out he couldn't do another year at prep school so he reclassified back to 2019 when most schools were already done recruiting.

 

[JoeRunner89]

Yeah, I always thought Samari wasn’t as good as everyone thought he was. Only time will tell though

Well, why do you say that? In my assertion Curtis is pretty well physically developed for his age, has good size in him and a good shot. Unfortunately for him unlike Harvey he was unable to splash on the AAU seen and possibly doesn't have the extra fill dummies to run through and training facilities to take advantage of but it looked like he did a pretty nice job asserting himself this yr into being an Ohio Mr. Basketball which holds probably more considerable talent than the state of Kansas. With that being said Harvey looks like a good player but don't Just judge based off rankings. The mindstate of these two players and how they respond to thier caoching will ultimately be the deciding factor in how they develop and yes we will see

 

[JoeRunner89]

Why would height matter when Laquill was most likely never going to see the floor? Harvey can most likely come in and contribute right away. I think it may be better for both parties that he go to a smaller school and potentially be one of the best players on that team, hopefully he can get a waiver or something and play right away. We are basically renting a 7 footer for a year in Scorolla, then we have Scott, Diarra and Prince who can play in the post as well. Laquill most likely was behind all 4 of them.

I am not defending Harvey in any way because he absolutely made a poor choice...… but remember when you were 16, most 16 year old boys are dumb, immature, think they know everything and make mistakes. That's not an excuse for what he did but mistakes happen and if the board decides he can't come because of that so be it.

Also he is still available because he has reclassified twice, he was in 2019 class than reclassified to 2020 and then found out he couldn't do another year at prep school so he reclassified back to 2019 when most schools were already done recruiting.

Laquil was an athlete he could play... he was going to see the floor

 

[waterhead]

Taking a look at this potential roster with Harvey. We don't have a bunch of projects that had a couple offers from small power 5 schools.

Jarron - top 50 recruit that could start for anyone in the country.
Jaevin - was headed to Michigan
Harvey - was likely headed to Kansas
Williams - Top 125 player and POY in NYC

Add high level role players and we can do some real damage. We have high level talent this year. To me, it is all about how fast we can adjust to the style of play.

And 50% of those will be Brannen recruits. It's going to be interesting to see how he runs the team this year. Looks like he wants speedy point guards who can push pace (based on Saunders, McNeal etc). A 7' shot blocker in the paint (Sorolla, Vogt etc). Versatile wings and stretch 4's.

We can run with a PG two wings a stretch 4 and a 5. No PG three wings and two stretch 4's. A PG three wings and a stretch 4. A PG three wings and a 5. No PG three wings a stretch 4 and a 5.

Of course we will see many different options but I am interested what shapes up as his go to starting/best lineup. Some will depend on matchups as well but he will settle in on his most productive lineup.

Based on his recruiting so far I don't think Scott and Diara are his prototype for the 5 spot but they might be the best option(s) for this year. Who knows?

Based on his recruiting of Saunders I now think McNeal could see a little more time than I suspected to push pace.

So many questions right now but it's a little easier to see now what he is looking for in future lineups.

 

[JoeRunner89]

And what's up with this notion that just bc your 7foot you gonna make an impact on the court. This Vogt guy is undoubtedly gonna be a foul casualty and a nightmare defending pick and rolls at least I feel... But we will see. As of right now the only thing he is is tall

 

[cincrulz11]

And 50% of those will be Brannen recruits. It's going to be interesting to see how he runs the team this year. Looks like he wants speedy point guards who can push pace (based on Saunders, McNeal etc). A 7' shot blocker in the paint (Sorolla, Vogt etc). Versatile wings and stretch 4's.




Based on his recruiting so far I don't think Scott and Diara are his prototype for the 5 spot but they might be the best option(s) for this year. Who knows?

Based on how Vogt was used last year Brannen might just like to have a big on the roster for certain games. The majority of the minutes for nku last year went to guys under 6'8, but in 5 games Vogt played 20+ minutes.


I think he wants to play his style, but he recognizes some teams could punish him for it so he keeps a big around to combat that.

 

[waterhead]

A couple of thoughts on Harvey. It's been VERY hush hush from the coaches standpoint so much so that not many people reporting on UC recruiting were even aware of the situation. So a thought came up after looking around that maybe they just don't want some other program to come in last second and kill this deal. Maybe a team like Kansas etc. I would guess with the Hardnett decision things are either very close to being wrapped up or already wrapped up. Everything is hush hush on our end probably by strategy but there is enough info out there that he has 4 crystal balls to UC and those other experts don't need to keep things on the down low.

Another thing Harvey was already thinking 2020 was his class so reclassifying last minute I would imagine he is going to be okay with not getting major minutes this year. He may see the huge opportunity to be in line for major minutes when the Cumberlands leave. And even with a "logjam" on the wing if he is the next best player to the Cumberlands and Williams...he can still probably eke out 15 minutes or so depending on others. I don't see Davenport or MAW being first year stars and we already have seen enough of Moore to say he may not be that hard to beat out either.

 

[cincyalum2014]

Laquil was an athlete he could play... he was going to see the floor

Over who? I am not trying to be a dick, there are only 40 minutes to go around, I am honestly just curious as to who people think he would get minutes over.

 

[waterhead]

Based on how Vogt was used last year Brannen might just like to have a big on the roster for certain games. The majority of the minutes for nku last year went to guys under 6'8, but in 5 games Vogt played 20+ minutes.


I think he wants to play his style, but he recognizes some teams could punish him for it so he keeps a big around to combat that.

Sure but it was the Horizon and they had Drew McDonald to boot. But I think you're right...Vogt is going to be a foul eater and situational player. But he also seems to be looking at future recruits in the same mold. It will be interesting to see what his splash big is going to look like. Loveday type? No brainer...if he can get him. If he can't get someone like that he may have to pick his poison.

 

[cincyguy13]

Well, why do you say that? In my assertion Curtis is pretty well physically developed for his age, has good size in him and a good shot. Unfortunately for him unlike Harvey he was unable to splash on the AAU seen and possibly doesn't have the extra fill dummies to run through and training facilities to take advantage of but it looked like he did a pretty nice job asserting himself this yr into being an Ohio Mr. Basketball which holds probably more considerable talent than the state of Kansas. With that being said Harvey looks like a good player but don't Just judge based off rankings. The mindstate of these two players and how they respond to thier caoching will ultimately be the deciding factor in how they develop and yes we will see

It’s always hard to judge high school players. To me, Curtis’ shot looked a little goofy. The competition he was playing against was not great. He did not look like that great of an athlete. I also thought the same of Cumberland in high school, so you never know. A lot of it comes down to how hard the kid wants to work to get better and how well they can adjust to better competition.

 

[waterhead]

Over who? I am not trying to be a dick, there are only 40 minutes to go around, I am honestly just curious as to who people think he would get minutes over.

Yah...Brannen could have said I want my 4's to be stretch 4's or else I am running small with wings. That would/could have really limited his potential minutes. He may have a 6'8" frame but if he's not a shot blocker or a shooter it's hard to see who he would get in the game before. He's not a 5. He's not a 3.

Tre Scott and Diara can both shoot a little and they can both jump. And we can't sleep on Gillam.

 

[cincyguy13]

It’s pretty clear brannen is trying to upgrade the talent level on this roster. Aside from Vogt it looks like he is doing a fairly good job but If he thinks Vogt can give them something, I’ll trust him. Even though I have my doubts.

 

[skyblade]

And 50% of those will be Brannen recruits. It's going to be interesting to see how he runs the team this year. Looks like he wants speedy point guards who can push pace (based on Saunders, McNeal etc). A 7' shot blocker in the paint (Sorolla, Vogt etc). Versatile wings and stretch 4's.

We can run with a PG two wings a stretch 4 and a 5. No PG three wings and two stretch 4's. A PG three wings and a stretch 4. A PG three wings and a 5. No PG three wings a stretch 4 and a 5.

Of course we will see many different options but I am interested what shapes up as his go to starting/best lineup. Some will depend on matchups as well but he will settle in on his most productive lineup.

Based on his recruiting so far I don't think Scott and Diara are his prototype for the 5 spot but they might be the best option(s) for this year. Who knows?

Based on his recruiting of Saunders I now think McNeal could see a little more time than I suspected to push pace.

So many questions right now but it's a little easier to see now what he is looking for in future lineups.

I'm not really seeing the versatile wings and stretch 4's. Hardnett looked like he had the potential to be a very good stretch 4.

Brannen seems to be recruiting like he doesn't care about having bigs on the floor. We've added plenty of talented guards and two centers (Vogt, Sorolla) who look like they won't belong on the court.

We may only have 3 players taller than 6'5" playing this year (Scott, Diarra, Sorolla) - and only one of them is proven. That looks less like options and more like a team that will have major problems against teams that have capable big men.

Big men are the most difficult players to recruit (more limited supply) and having quality big men is often what separates low/mid-majors from high-majors. With their ability to block shots and grab rebounds, big men can have a much larger impact on the game. Big men also generally take longer to develop, so we are probably looking at a multiple year issue.

We are going to have to hope that a lot of our guys play bigger than they are. Otherwise I can see us getting badly beaten on the boards and that's going to make winning difficult.

 

[JoeRunner89]

Yah...Brannen could have said I want my 4's to be stretch 4's or else I am running small with wings. That would/could have really limited his potential minutes. He may have a 6'8" frame but if he's not a shot blocker or a shooter it's hard to see who he would get in the game before. He's not a 5. He's not a 3.

Tre Scott and Diara can both shoot a little and they can both jump. And we can't sleep on Gillam.

I don't understand then why sleep on Laquil. I just thought he and Gilliam would contribute and get mins based off eye test. Laquil just looked like there was a bunch of potential within his frame he just needed some coaching and kinks to be ironed out ofcourse he wasn't a 5 star but yea, his length and athletisicm was going to help us this yr. As of right now I have no faith in diarra being as strong as we need him to be down low until he proves it