TheLivingLegend
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Sit him for the Depaul game. Im sick of Yancys lack of effort. Biggie played just fine.
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I think he'll play. Won't surprise me if it's not till the second half. I would like to see Biggie and Gates play together. Imo, it's our best chance to win. I think we'll see a refocused Yancy.
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True, I should have probably included that but I'm not sure I had to. Although, I do think it's tough to change an attitude that quickly. I would be surprised if Yancey did a 180 on his attitude.
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Yancys side of things.... Interesting. Time will tell.
Yancys side of things.... Interesting. Time will tell.
I like his response. A lot more mature answer than I was anticipating.
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The handling of Yancy Gates
By Paul Dehner on February 7, 2011 2:02 PM | No Comments | No TrackBacks
Mick Cronin's suspension of Yancy Gates wasn't a personal attack, rather the latest tactic to return the junior to the dedicated, focused form he carried into the season.
CINCINNATI - A theme resonated through the dozens of press conferences Mick Cronin held over the first two months of the season.
With an older, more mature group this year, he no longer was forced to coach attitude. The number of times this was said could fill pages and pages of print. And Yancy Gates' face would be plastered on the cover of that book.
The enigmatic Gates looked to have turned the corner in both actions and words. From running sand dunes in California and improving stamina to stepping into a more vocal leadership role on and off the court, the storyline was set. The player who long struggled with consistently playing hard finally dedicated himself.
For Mick Cronin, however, somewhere around the flip of the calendar to 2011, Gates reverted to 2009.
"I think his effort has dipped since Big East play," said Cronin, who spoke with Gates on Monday and allowed him back to practice. "No, I'm not happy with his effort. I wasn't happy with his effort. He was told that (last) Monday and all week."
When news broke of Gates' suspension for the Pittsburgh game, everyone searched for what happened. What incident caused Cronin to drop the hammer on his star forward.
There may or may not have been an incident that occurred late last week. Regardless, that wasn't the reason Cronin held Gates out. The suspension served as the tipping point of what Cronin viewed as a festering issue.
Numbers support his conviction. Gates owns 13 offensive rebounds in nine Big East games. That's tied for third on the team. The 6-foot-9, 260-pound manchild owns fewer offensive boards than guard Dion Dixon (14).
In the ultimate effort stat for a power forward, Gates is significantly underachieving.
"The worst thing you can say for something that is untrue to a player is you don't play hard," Cronin said. "No, that's not the case (with Gates). You don't play hard all the time is the case. You play hard at certain times of the game not at other times of the game - when a shot goes up, for instance. Your job as a coach is to get your players better. All means necessary."
The principles of avoiding Cronin's doghouse are simple: "Play hard, be coachable, be committed to your team," he said.
Cronin made the decision after a week of hounding Gates that the junior violated the code. Making the call to leave the building block of the program in Cincinnati for a trip to play No. 4 Pittsburgh wasn't difficult. For Cronin, it was simple.
This decision wasn't about Pitt. In many respects, it wasn't about Yancy Gates. This was about the standards of the program.
"Your talent level is only going to get you so far," Cronin said. "For me your program has to stand for certain things. And they are not complicated things - basic things. The minute you begin to sacrifice that you compromise your credibility as a coach. You'll pay the price in the long run as a coach."
The suspension didn't represent a personal attack on Gates' character. Far from it. Four times during the 12 minutes of Gates discussion on Monday Cronin reminded everyone "he's a good kid."
Players across the country are suspended or miss practices on a daily basis. Cronin even admitted other players on his team have been forced to miss practices this season.
It became clear to Cronin Gates needed a reminder his best effort is not only expected, but demanded every day.
"He's far from the only guy on our team or other teams that deal with the issue of looking in the mirror and being accountable for themselves and their own effort and taking responsibility for their own actions," Cronin said. "It just so happens in this case it cost him a game so it's a big deal."
This move was the latest piece in the development process. Maybe it works, maybe not. But the fifth-year coach had to make the decision he did. If he didn't, he wouldn't be doing right by the program, his principles or a player who he dedicated himself to extracting the most production out of his unlimited potential.
For 21 year olds who've been told far too often how outstanding they are, that reality check often comes with a negative backlash.
"Some young people really struggle with people that try to make them better and hold them accountable...and they won't let anybody help them," Cronin said. "They won't let anybody set standards for them and they become bull-headed, for whatever reason. It can be their demise."
What it will be for Gates is yet to be determined. As for the suspension, Cronin hopes it will one day be viewed as a turning point.
"That should be your chief want in life is somebody to force you to give your best every day and be the best you can be," Cronin said. "A lot of young people struggle with that. Yancy is definitely one of them. He knows everything I am telling you. He knows."
http://www.gobearcats.com/blog/2011/02/the-handling-of-yancy-gates.html
By Paul Dehner on February 7, 2011 2:02 PM | No Comments | No TrackBacks
Mick Cronin's suspension of Yancy Gates wasn't a personal attack, rather the latest tactic to return the junior to the dedicated, focused form he carried into the season.
CINCINNATI - A theme resonated through the dozens of press conferences Mick Cronin held over the first two months of the season.
With an older, more mature group this year, he no longer was forced to coach attitude. The number of times this was said could fill pages and pages of print. And Yancy Gates' face would be plastered on the cover of that book.
The enigmatic Gates looked to have turned the corner in both actions and words. From running sand dunes in California and improving stamina to stepping into a more vocal leadership role on and off the court, the storyline was set. The player who long struggled with consistently playing hard finally dedicated himself.
For Mick Cronin, however, somewhere around the flip of the calendar to 2011, Gates reverted to 2009.
"I think his effort has dipped since Big East play," said Cronin, who spoke with Gates on Monday and allowed him back to practice. "No, I'm not happy with his effort. I wasn't happy with his effort. He was told that (last) Monday and all week."
When news broke of Gates' suspension for the Pittsburgh game, everyone searched for what happened. What incident caused Cronin to drop the hammer on his star forward.
There may or may not have been an incident that occurred late last week. Regardless, that wasn't the reason Cronin held Gates out. The suspension served as the tipping point of what Cronin viewed as a festering issue.
Numbers support his conviction. Gates owns 13 offensive rebounds in nine Big East games. That's tied for third on the team. The 6-foot-9, 260-pound manchild owns fewer offensive boards than guard Dion Dixon (14).
In the ultimate effort stat for a power forward, Gates is significantly underachieving.
"The worst thing you can say for something that is untrue to a player is you don't play hard," Cronin said. "No, that's not the case (with Gates). You don't play hard all the time is the case. You play hard at certain times of the game not at other times of the game - when a shot goes up, for instance. Your job as a coach is to get your players better. All means necessary."
The principles of avoiding Cronin's doghouse are simple: "Play hard, be coachable, be committed to your team," he said.
Cronin made the decision after a week of hounding Gates that the junior violated the code. Making the call to leave the building block of the program in Cincinnati for a trip to play No. 4 Pittsburgh wasn't difficult. For Cronin, it was simple.
This decision wasn't about Pitt. In many respects, it wasn't about Yancy Gates. This was about the standards of the program.
"Your talent level is only going to get you so far," Cronin said. "For me your program has to stand for certain things. And they are not complicated things - basic things. The minute you begin to sacrifice that you compromise your credibility as a coach. You'll pay the price in the long run as a coach."
The suspension didn't represent a personal attack on Gates' character. Far from it. Four times during the 12 minutes of Gates discussion on Monday Cronin reminded everyone "he's a good kid."
Players across the country are suspended or miss practices on a daily basis. Cronin even admitted other players on his team have been forced to miss practices this season.
It became clear to Cronin Gates needed a reminder his best effort is not only expected, but demanded every day.
"He's far from the only guy on our team or other teams that deal with the issue of looking in the mirror and being accountable for themselves and their own effort and taking responsibility for their own actions," Cronin said. "It just so happens in this case it cost him a game so it's a big deal."
This move was the latest piece in the development process. Maybe it works, maybe not. But the fifth-year coach had to make the decision he did. If he didn't, he wouldn't be doing right by the program, his principles or a player who he dedicated himself to extracting the most production out of his unlimited potential.
For 21 year olds who've been told far too often how outstanding they are, that reality check often comes with a negative backlash.
"Some young people really struggle with people that try to make them better and hold them accountable...and they won't let anybody help them," Cronin said. "They won't let anybody set standards for them and they become bull-headed, for whatever reason. It can be their demise."
What it will be for Gates is yet to be determined. As for the suspension, Cronin hopes it will one day be viewed as a turning point.
"That should be your chief want in life is somebody to force you to give your best every day and be the best you can be," Cronin said. "A lot of young people struggle with that. Yancy is definitely one of them. He knows everything I am telling you. He knows."
http://www.gobearcats.com/blog/2011/02/the-handling-of-yancy-gates.html
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Biggie and Gates could probably do well together but we won't see it because it would require a change in defensive philosophies and that will not happen with Cronin. Both are too big and slow to guard a quicker 4/5 on the perimeter so they would have to switch to a zone or some type of soft man to man. I still would like to see it though. Biggie is giving more than Thomas.
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Mick Cronin on Yancy Gates transcript
By Paul Dehner on February 7, 2011 11:46 AM | No Comments | No TrackBacks
Mick Cronin held a very open, intresting discussion of Yancy Gates, motivation and all the factors regarding the junior's suspension against Pittsburgh. I have a story posted on the site about it now, but thought the entire dialouge deserved its own post.
The basic news of the presser was Gates spoke with Cronin this morning after seeking him out all weekend. He returned to practice today and Cronin hasn't made up his mind on whether or not he will play against DePaul. Stating, "we'll see."
Here's the transcript:
On what he will base the decision of whether or not to play Gates against DePaul:
"When I think he deserves to. How much I think he deserves to. When I think he deserves to."
On the reason for the suspension:
"I love Yancy. He's a good kid. Just play hard be coachable, be committed to your team. It doesn't matter who you are. That is stuff that I believe in. He's not the only one. Far from the only one. Obviously, it cost him a game."
On if it took courage to make the call to suspend Gates against Pitt:
"I think the fact you have to ask that question is a sad indictment on our society and what winning has become in amateur sports and the price tag of winning in amateur sports. Although college coaches are well paid I like to think I am still part of amateur athletics and life lessons are a big part of it. This isn't that complicated whether you are Mick Cronin or Carl Kremer or Dan Fleming. Guys should be committed to the team, be coachable, have a good attitude or they shouldn't be on your team, shouldn't get to play."
On if it was a simple decision:
"I think we complicate it. I think coaching gets complicated when you start to complicate it yourself as a coach. I am still in the process of trying to get our program to a certain place. For me, it's always been a long-term process. I have always been realistic about the process. Our reality is you got to win against Top 10 teams on the road. Your talent level is only going to get you so far. For me your program has to stand for certain things. And they are not complicated things - basic things. The minute you begin to sacrifice that you compromise your credibility as a coach. You'll pay the price in the long run as a coach."
On the issue with Gates:
"He's not the only one. Look around athletics today. He's a good kid, for him in particular, his athletic career has been a process of dealing with people telling him how great he is. When I say that, I don't mean his immediate family, because they don't. I'm talking about others. He's a microcosm of today's athlete. He is a wonderful, warm-hearted kid.
"He's far from the only guy on our team or other teams that deal with the issue of looking in the mirror and being accountable for themselves and their own effort and taking responsibility for their own actions. It just so happens in this case it cost him a game so it's a big deal. He's not the only guy that's ever been chastised or out of practice on our team. That is this year and some of his teammates. Unfortunately it's a part of athletics today."
On if he exhausted all motivational options with Gates:
"There's still things to go. Like not being on the team.
"Hubie Brown said it best. You have certain rules. You are going to take good shots, going to play defense and rotate, you are going to be committed to the team or you are not going to be on our team and I don't care who you are. For a team to win everybody has to have the same rules. Everybody has to abide by the same principles. I am a son of a high school coach and it has always been about principles and things like that."
On if he's surprised because he wasn't having to coach attitude all year:
"I think his effort has dipped since Big East play. He and I have talked extensively about this. He is going to talk to you guys about it. He's got 13 offensive rebounds in nine Big East games. That put him tied for third on our team going into Pitt game. Dion Dixon having more than him. No, I'm not happy with his effort. I wasn't happy with his effort. He was told that Monday and all week.
"Those are areas that have always been a challenge for him. He in particular takes a bad rap. The worst thing you can say for something that is untrue to a player is you don't play hard. No, that's not the case. You don't play hard all the time is the case. You play hard at certain times of the game not at other times of the game- when a shot goes up, for instance. Your job as a coach is to get your players better. All means necessary."
On if Cronin thinks Gates is testing him:
"He's not testing. He knows the answer to that test. He's a good kid. One thing I told him. Somebody else I deeply care for is Kenny Satterfield. Some young people really struggle with people that try to make them better and hold them accountable, for whatever reason. In my time as a coach and they won't let anybody help them. They won't let anybody set standards for them and they become bull-headed, for whatever reason. It can be their demise. Kenny and I are extremely close to this day. I would love for him to one day be my assistant coach. He made poor decisions, he will tell you all this. He should have never left school when he did. He made some poor decisions when he was with the Denver Nuggets. He made a poor decision when he left the team in France. He's never been able to have a father figure, whether it was his father or coach Huggins or myself or Mo Hicks his high school coach, help him get out of his own way. The problem with that is you only get one shot at this. Your window as an athlete is going to close in your early 30s and you got to let people help you. It's part of it. You got to let people stop your from self-inflicting wounds. Some athletes and some kids in general with their parents really, really struggle with that. They end up doing things and creating habits that end up costing them a lot of opportunities in life.
"Skip Prosser used to quote a guy, he was obviously a history teacher much more educated than me: your chief want in life should be somebody that makes you the best you can be. That should be your chief want in life somebody to force you to give your best every day and be the best you can be. A lot of young people struggle with that. Yancy is definitely one of them. He knows everything I am telling you. He knows."
http://www.gobearcats.com/blog/2011/02/mick-cronin-on-yancy-gates-transcript.html
By Paul Dehner on February 7, 2011 11:46 AM | No Comments | No TrackBacks
Mick Cronin held a very open, intresting discussion of Yancy Gates, motivation and all the factors regarding the junior's suspension against Pittsburgh. I have a story posted on the site about it now, but thought the entire dialouge deserved its own post.
The basic news of the presser was Gates spoke with Cronin this morning after seeking him out all weekend. He returned to practice today and Cronin hasn't made up his mind on whether or not he will play against DePaul. Stating, "we'll see."
Here's the transcript:
On what he will base the decision of whether or not to play Gates against DePaul:
"When I think he deserves to. How much I think he deserves to. When I think he deserves to."
On the reason for the suspension:
"I love Yancy. He's a good kid. Just play hard be coachable, be committed to your team. It doesn't matter who you are. That is stuff that I believe in. He's not the only one. Far from the only one. Obviously, it cost him a game."
On if it took courage to make the call to suspend Gates against Pitt:
"I think the fact you have to ask that question is a sad indictment on our society and what winning has become in amateur sports and the price tag of winning in amateur sports. Although college coaches are well paid I like to think I am still part of amateur athletics and life lessons are a big part of it. This isn't that complicated whether you are Mick Cronin or Carl Kremer or Dan Fleming. Guys should be committed to the team, be coachable, have a good attitude or they shouldn't be on your team, shouldn't get to play."
On if it was a simple decision:
"I think we complicate it. I think coaching gets complicated when you start to complicate it yourself as a coach. I am still in the process of trying to get our program to a certain place. For me, it's always been a long-term process. I have always been realistic about the process. Our reality is you got to win against Top 10 teams on the road. Your talent level is only going to get you so far. For me your program has to stand for certain things. And they are not complicated things - basic things. The minute you begin to sacrifice that you compromise your credibility as a coach. You'll pay the price in the long run as a coach."
On the issue with Gates:
"He's not the only one. Look around athletics today. He's a good kid, for him in particular, his athletic career has been a process of dealing with people telling him how great he is. When I say that, I don't mean his immediate family, because they don't. I'm talking about others. He's a microcosm of today's athlete. He is a wonderful, warm-hearted kid.
"He's far from the only guy on our team or other teams that deal with the issue of looking in the mirror and being accountable for themselves and their own effort and taking responsibility for their own actions. It just so happens in this case it cost him a game so it's a big deal. He's not the only guy that's ever been chastised or out of practice on our team. That is this year and some of his teammates. Unfortunately it's a part of athletics today."
On if he exhausted all motivational options with Gates:
"There's still things to go. Like not being on the team.
"Hubie Brown said it best. You have certain rules. You are going to take good shots, going to play defense and rotate, you are going to be committed to the team or you are not going to be on our team and I don't care who you are. For a team to win everybody has to have the same rules. Everybody has to abide by the same principles. I am a son of a high school coach and it has always been about principles and things like that."
On if he's surprised because he wasn't having to coach attitude all year:
"I think his effort has dipped since Big East play. He and I have talked extensively about this. He is going to talk to you guys about it. He's got 13 offensive rebounds in nine Big East games. That put him tied for third on our team going into Pitt game. Dion Dixon having more than him. No, I'm not happy with his effort. I wasn't happy with his effort. He was told that Monday and all week.
"Those are areas that have always been a challenge for him. He in particular takes a bad rap. The worst thing you can say for something that is untrue to a player is you don't play hard. No, that's not the case. You don't play hard all the time is the case. You play hard at certain times of the game not at other times of the game- when a shot goes up, for instance. Your job as a coach is to get your players better. All means necessary."
On if Cronin thinks Gates is testing him:
"He's not testing. He knows the answer to that test. He's a good kid. One thing I told him. Somebody else I deeply care for is Kenny Satterfield. Some young people really struggle with people that try to make them better and hold them accountable, for whatever reason. In my time as a coach and they won't let anybody help them. They won't let anybody set standards for them and they become bull-headed, for whatever reason. It can be their demise. Kenny and I are extremely close to this day. I would love for him to one day be my assistant coach. He made poor decisions, he will tell you all this. He should have never left school when he did. He made some poor decisions when he was with the Denver Nuggets. He made a poor decision when he left the team in France. He's never been able to have a father figure, whether it was his father or coach Huggins or myself or Mo Hicks his high school coach, help him get out of his own way. The problem with that is you only get one shot at this. Your window as an athlete is going to close in your early 30s and you got to let people help you. It's part of it. You got to let people stop your from self-inflicting wounds. Some athletes and some kids in general with their parents really, really struggle with that. They end up doing things and creating habits that end up costing them a lot of opportunities in life.
"Skip Prosser used to quote a guy, he was obviously a history teacher much more educated than me: your chief want in life should be somebody that makes you the best you can be. That should be your chief want in life somebody to force you to give your best every day and be the best you can be. A lot of young people struggle with that. Yancy is definitely one of them. He knows everything I am telling you. He knows."
http://www.gobearcats.com/blog/2011/02/mick-cronin-on-yancy-gates-transcript.html
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^^ Pretty sweet......and all 100% accurate, IMO.
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Excellent stuff. Lots of truth there.
I really respect Mick's approach and actions regarding this issue. His pride and respect for the university are a mirrored reflection of most of us fans on this site. He is focused on winning each game, and at the end of the day, his long term goal is the rebirth of this basketball program. As a fan, and from the day he was hired, I have appreciated that aspect of Cronin. He is a UC fanatic, just like us. Hopefully this action will re-ignite the fire under Gates' butt, and hopefully spur the others too. Gates' maturation seemed evident in the beginning of the year, and this is his chance to prove it.
Another person or persons I respect regarding this situation is Gates' family. In a time where most families will support and defend their children, while ignoring right or wrong; Gates' family has really welcomed Cronin and the coaches discipline since Gates stepped foot on campus. Gates really has all the tools to be special. He has the body, the skills, many say he is a smart kid, and he seems to have a strong family behind him. I really hope this kid (and he is a kid, a really big kid) figures it out. Not just for basketball but for his future in life.
On a side note, it was interesting reading Mick's comments of Kenny Satterfield. This team really needs a win to gain some confidence. A definitive against Depaul would be a great place to start.
Go Bearcats!
Another person or persons I respect regarding this situation is Gates' family. In a time where most families will support and defend their children, while ignoring right or wrong; Gates' family has really welcomed Cronin and the coaches discipline since Gates stepped foot on campus. Gates really has all the tools to be special. He has the body, the skills, many say he is a smart kid, and he seems to have a strong family behind him. I really hope this kid (and he is a kid, a really big kid) figures it out. Not just for basketball but for his future in life.
On a side note, it was interesting reading Mick's comments of Kenny Satterfield. This team really needs a win to gain some confidence. A definitive against Depaul would be a great place to start.
Go Bearcats!
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Honestly, it's not you. I just get tired of bickering over the past. I am so ready to move the program forward. My apologies.
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I didn't read through the thread so I'm not sure if this has already been confirmed but I heard that Gates got into an argument with one of the assistant coaches and ended up missing the bus to Pittsburgh. I believe that was the root of the suspension.
JasonS
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According to what Mick Cronin said in one of the articles, Yancy got into a heated argument with an assistant coach, was kicked out of practice and told he was not coming to Pitt. He didn't miss the bus, he was told he was not allowed on it.
