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Maybe we will have a couple of these guys transfer away
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TheLongHaul
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unfortunately UC is so bad it's impossible to say whether it's talent, coaching, or both. I think it's both. Nothing this team does demonstrates that they are well coached. I keep saying that hopefully Miller is a hell of a recruiter because he isn't going to out-coach many teams.
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unfortunately UC is so bad it's impossible to say whether it's talent, coaching, or both. I think it's both. Nothing this team does demonstrates that they are well coached. I keep saying that hopefully Miller is a hell of a recruiter because he isn't going to out-coach many teams.
I think you’re right. I almost feel like this team has regressed as the season goes on. Instead of closing gaps in our offense and defense they are growing. Granted Houston is 6th in the county but we look terrible.
Well we didn't shoot well from three (20%) and rebounding was lopsided (38-26) so the result was about as expected.
We didn't let Carlton do much damage, but he still had an efficient 8 pts on only 5 shots. I think that's one of the areas where we are consistently outcoached. Houston's main offensive option didn't have many good looks, but he didn't force bad shots. They only have two good 3pt shooters and they went 6-12 combined. But the rest of the team didn't put up bad shots, only attempting 9 threes total. Houston was 13-18 at the rim. Our 1v1 defense was terrible across the board.
Our only reliable offense was DDJ at the free throw line (12-12). Lakhin was the only player with an effective field goal percentage above 46%. MAW went a second consecutive game without an assist, and he now has just one over the last 3 games. He's not a reliable offensive creator as the PG, and we don't have a scheme that generates open looks. So we relied on DDJ having a usage rate approaching 40.
With this group of players and coach, we have to make threes or we can't score. That's three straight games putting up less than .87 points per possession. Not inspiring to say the least.
We didn't let Carlton do much damage, but he still had an efficient 8 pts on only 5 shots. I think that's one of the areas where we are consistently outcoached. Houston's main offensive option didn't have many good looks, but he didn't force bad shots. They only have two good 3pt shooters and they went 6-12 combined. But the rest of the team didn't put up bad shots, only attempting 9 threes total. Houston was 13-18 at the rim. Our 1v1 defense was terrible across the board.
Our only reliable offense was DDJ at the free throw line (12-12). Lakhin was the only player with an effective field goal percentage above 46%. MAW went a second consecutive game without an assist, and he now has just one over the last 3 games. He's not a reliable offensive creator as the PG, and we don't have a scheme that generates open looks. So we relied on DDJ having a usage rate approaching 40.
With this group of players and coach, we have to make threes or we can't score. That's three straight games putting up less than .87 points per possession. Not inspiring to say the least.
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TheLongHaul
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Thing is, it's not like UC just missed wide open 3's. They were contested because they really don't run much of an offense. Again, tough to tell because of a lack of talent, but I've heard Miller say he likes to let his player loose on offense. It definitely shows. No creativity from out of bounds players either. Usually good coaches have some sets they run from TO's or out of bounds to try to get easy baskets, UC has nothing. Cronin had them, Brannen had them, Miller hasn't shown any of it.
Also, why not try a zone? Houston's pick and roll destroyed UC all night yet nothing changed, except perhaps a fresh set of 5 guys...which is another issue.
Also, why not try a zone? Houston's pick and roll destroyed UC all night yet nothing changed, except perhaps a fresh set of 5 guys...which is another issue.
I don't think we are that far behind talent wise, but we have guys who are inexperienced and new to Miller's system. Guys like Ody, Lakhin and Hensley have the athletic ability, but they don't have enough experience.
Also doesn't help that our two leaders (DDJ and Davenport) have little interest in doing anything but forcing up tough iso shots (though DDJ did pass better in the second half tonight). Hard to run good offensive sets when your two main guys don't.
Sky- can’t agree with your take here. Imo, not even close athletically. Just watch Houston players blowing by UC
defenders like they were standing in cement.
Agree the shot selection is an issue- drives me crazy when
Shooters don’t square up & step into the shot . When there’s no
Inside presence offensively not sure what choice CWM has
other than giving the keys to the car to DDJ, MAW &
Davenport.
unfortunately UC is so bad it's impossible to say whether it's talent, coaching, or both. I think it's both. Nothing this team does demonstrates that they are well coached. I keep saying that hopefully Miller is a hell of a recruiter because he isn't going to out-coach many teams.
Kinda interesting reading XU fan forum- some
seem to think a lot of CWM. Tho inheriting a
tough situation, I haven’t been too impressed.
Maybe It’s a situation where you can’t make
chicken salad outta… well, you know.
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This was ultimately a coach in the first year of a program rebuild versus an 8th-year coach that has his program running on all cylinders.
Sampson didn't make it to the NCAA tournament until his 4th year with Houston.
They were 13-19 in his first year AND he inherited a team with 3 top 75 recruits.
We can break down every detail possible from last night's game but the big picture shows that we don't possess the talent/athletes necessary to compete with yet alone beat a top 5 team right now.
This offseason will be a big one.
Sampson didn't make it to the NCAA tournament until his 4th year with Houston.
They were 13-19 in his first year AND he inherited a team with 3 top 75 recruits.
We can break down every detail possible from last night's game but the big picture shows that we don't possess the talent/athletes necessary to compete with yet alone beat a top 5 team right now.
This offseason will be a big one.
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This team is actually worse in Adj Eff defense vs top 100 teams than last years was because they allow opponents to rebound 35.1% of their misses.
As with last years team, its really hard to grasp on to anything that's good.
The team doesn't seem to be getting any better as the year rolls along either.
As with last years team, its really hard to grasp on to anything that's good.
The team doesn't seem to be getting any better as the year rolls along either.
TheLivingLegend
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We need players. We are simply overmatched.
Wes is going to have to have some tough convos post season, bc alot of these guys can't come back.
Wes is going to have to have some tough convos post season, bc alot of these guys can't come back.
Sky- can’t agree with your take here. Imo, not even close athletically. Just watch Houston players blowing by UC
defenders like they were standing in cement.
Agree the shot selection is an issue- drives me crazy when
Shooters don’t square up & step into the shot . When there’s no
Inside presence offensively not sure what choice CWM has
other than giving the keys to the car to DDJ, MAW &
Davenport.
A lot of the time it wasn't getting beat 1v1, it was horrible defense against screens. That's a matter of communication, scheme and a willingness to be tough and fight through the screen as much or more as a lack of athleticism. We've seen undisciplined athletes (Memphis) get destroyed by disciplined team players. Samson saw something in our pick-and-roll defense that he knew he could go after and we had no solution.
That's not to say there isn't need for improvement. Davenport's 1v1 defense was abysmal tonight, he got beat off the drive by both the bigger White and smaller guards. Saunders continues to struggle guarding despite his quickness. The list could go on.
I'm not saying I don't want better athletes. But I think inexperience in Miller's system and Miller not having the time to implement everything is just as big of a factor (if not a bigger one). Hopefully it's inexperience and not poor coaching, otherwise we have a whole different problem.
Guys like Ody, Lakhin, Newman, Hensley and even MAW have the size and athletic ability to play with Houston. And a less athletic guy can do a lot if they are smart and tough (Davenport for example could manage it in theory). What they lack is experience and cohesion and that only comes with time.
This was a cobbled together roster of a first year coach against the well oiled machine of a great coach who has been at the same school for a long time. Better athletes would not have won us the game last night, we also need more experienced players, players who fit the system and Miller needs more time to implement his system.