Interesting Mick Cronin Stats

[bearcat jeff]

To get a better understanding of our head coach I took a look at some interesting statistics. We're all aware of what he faced in his first 3-4 seasons here but even with that included I think this will illustrate that Mick Cronin is a very good basketball coach.

Mick Cronin has coached 11 seasons. The NCAA D1 average is 11.14. in that time he has been to 5 NCAA Tournaments (soon to be 6). The average for a coach with his tenure is 2.2.

Mick has won 2 conference championships, hopefully soon to add a 3rd, the average with coaches of his tenure is .96.

In games decided by 6 points or less, or that have gone into overtime, Mick Cronin is 69-51. Again, bear in mind that includes the early years here at UC when he was vastly outmanned in the Big East.

In 11 seasons he has had only 2 losing seasons. They were his first two here at UC when the program was decimated and depleted. 38 of his 129 losses (nearly 1/3) came in those 2 seasons. In spite of those early years at UC he still averages over 20 wins per year. But over the last 4 he is averaging 24.5 wins a season and most assuredly will be over 25 wins per season when this one wraps up.

Mick Cronin is a very good coach. He has not as yet taken the leap to elite head coach status but at 42 he still has the time to get there. Personally and as a program, things are certainly trending in an upward motion for him and UC basketball.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

To get a better understanding of our head coach I took a look at some interesting statistics. We're all aware of what he faced in his first 3-4 seasons here but even with that included I think this will illustrate that Mick Cronin is a very good basketball coach.

Mick Cronin has coached 11 seasons. The NCAA D1 average is 11.14. in that time he has been to 5 NCAA Tournaments (soon to be 6). The average for a coach with his tenure is 2.2.

Mick has won 2 conference championships, hopefully soon to add a 3rd, the average with coaches of his tenure is .96.

In games decided by 6 points or less, or that have gone into overtime, Mick Cronin is 69-51. Again, bear in mind that includes the early years here at UC when he was vastly outmanned in the Big East.

In 11 seasons he has had only 2 losing seasons. They were his first two here at UC when the program was decimated and depleted. 38 of his 129 losses (nearly 1/3) came in those 2 seasons. In spite of those early years at UC he still averages over 20 wins per year. But over the last 4 he is averaging 24.5 wins a season and most assuredly will be over 25 wins per season when this one wraps up.

Mick Cronin is a very good coach. He has not as yet taken the leap to elite head coach status but at 42 he still has the time to get there. Personally and as a program, things are certainly trending in an upward motion for him and UC basketball.

Nice read jeff. The shame is a few still don"t understand how fotunate we are to have him. Look at Depaul. Once a very good program have still not found there way back to elite status since the meyer's left. How about UCLA. I could go on but I won't.

 

[Bearcat22]

To get a better understanding of our head coach I took a look at some interesting statistics. We're all aware of what he faced in his first 3-4 seasons here but even with that included I think this will illustrate that Mick Cronin is a very good basketball coach.

Mick Cronin has coached 11 seasons. The NCAA D1 average is 11.14. in that time he has been to 5 NCAA Tournaments (soon to be 6). The average for a coach with his tenure is 2.2.

Mick has won 2 conference championships, hopefully soon to add a 3rd, the average with coaches of his tenure is .96.

In games decided by 6 points or less, or that have gone into overtime, Mick Cronin is 69-51. Again, bear in mind that includes the early years here at UC when he was vastly outmanned in the Big East.

In 11 seasons he has had only 2 losing seasons. They were his first two here at UC when the program was decimated and depleted. 38 of his 129 losses (nearly 1/3) came in those 2 seasons. In spite of those early years at UC he still averages over 20 wins per year. But over the last 4 he is averaging 24.5 wins a season and most assuredly will be over 25 wins per season when this one wraps up.

Mick Cronin is a very good coach. He has not as yet taken the leap to elite head coach status but at 42 he still has the time to get there. Personally and as a program, things are certainly trending in an upward motion for him and UC basketball.

I could be wrong, but isn't he also the only UC head coach to be a better seeded team in the tourney - when they beat FSU a couple seasons ago.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Coverage of Mick's incident has been all over the tv/radio today. Saw it on ESPN a few times and SVP and Russilo were talking about it on the radio...

 

[Levettation]

I could be wrong, but isn't he also the only UC head coach to be a better seeded team in the tourney - when they beat FSU a couple seasons ago.

From my knowledge that is factually correct.

 

[Bearcat22]

I could be wrong, but isn't he also the only UC head coach to be a better seeded team in the tourney - when they beat FSU a couple seasons ago.

I should have said "beat" a better seeded team.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

Coverage of Mick's incident has been all over the tv/radio today. Saw it on ESPN a few times and SVP and Russilo were talking about it on the radio...

What was being said?

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

What was being said?

Led mostly to a discussion about how uneven officiating is (Mick's point about these things not happening to Boehim or Coach K), Jay Bilas believes that if it is getting to the point that coaches working the refs is a competitive advantage that something needs to be done about it.

A few of the other guys just were commenting about how bezerk Cronin went and that TV Teddy showed restraint by not T'ing him up because he knew that he was in the wrong.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

Led mostly to a discussion about how uneven officiating is (Mick's point about these things not happening to Boehim or Coach K), Jay Bilas believes that if it is getting to the point that coaches working the refs is a competitive advantage that something needs to be done about it.

A few of the other guys just were commenting about how bezerk Cronin went and that TV Teddy showed restraint by not T'ing him up because he knew that he was in the wrong.

Thanks. Cronin is definitely a hot-head at times and part of that I like and part of me thinks it loses him respect with officials. Cronin is at that point where he is more established and is winning. I think people respect the job he's done here and that can go a long way with how incidents like this are viewed. Cronin's next maturation as a coach will be to earn the officials respect and be able to start getting in their ears for calls. I'm glad we no longer face Calhoun and Boeeim and after this year Pitino. We go into those games at a disadvantage because you know they get in refs ears and we don't. I hate that working the refs is part of the game, but it is. Utilize it to your advantage.

Fwiw, the fact that Cronin didn't get T'd up says all you need to know about the situation. If he were completely in the wrong then there would be no doubt he'd have been T'd up. Not only from Valentine but the other ref came in and got in to diffuse the situation and didn't T Mick up. Be glad when this incident goes away. Maybe Boeheim will go nuts again this week. Or what about our old friend Buzz Williams, he seems like a time bomb just waiting to go off.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Thanks. Cronin is definitely a hot-head at times and part of that I like and part of me thinks it loses him respect with officials. Cronin is at that point where he is more established and is winning. I think people respect the job he's done here and that can go a long way with how incidents like this are viewed. Cronin's next maturation as a coach will be to earn the officials respect and be able to start getting in their ears for calls. I'm glad we no longer face Calhoun and Boeeim and after this year Pitino. We go into those games at a disadvantage because you know they get in refs ears and we don't. I hate that working the refs is part of the game, but it is. Utilize it to your advantage.

Fwiw, the fact that Cronin didn't get T'd up says all you need to know about the situation. If he were completely in the wrong then there would be no doubt he'd have been T'd up. Not only from Valentine but the other ref came in and got in to diffuse the situation and didn't T Mick up. Be glad when this incident goes away. Maybe Boeheim will go nuts again this week. Or what about our old friend Buzz Williams, he seems like a time bomb just waiting to go off.

Thankfully Kentucky is floundering. All the media can talk about is Calipari...

 

[bearcat jeff]

The good thing is they are talking about Cincinnati. The media will have it's opinion but players see a guy that will fight. All you need to know about Mick Cronin is that players say things like, "He's a Father figure" or "That guys my best friend".

The most interesting thing to me was the comment by Russilo about the frequent substitution during the UConn game. He tied it to Cronin being irate from the start of the game, but anyone who looks at it objectively and understands the point of the season we're in, would know that the team didn't show up and he was looking for a combination that would play. Mick was also quoted after the game as saying he didn't care is he had to play the walk ons he was going to find 5 guys who wanted to play smart basketball. He said if they were going to lose they were going to lose doing things his way.

 

[L-T]

The good thing is they are talking about Cincinnati. The media will have it's opinion but players see a guy that will fight. All you need to know about Mick Cronin is that players say things like, "He's a Father figure" or "That guys my best friend".

The most interesting thing to me was the comment by Russilo about the frequent substitution during the UConn game. He tied it to Cronin being irate from the start of the game, but anyone who looks at it objectively and understands the point of the season we're in, would know that the team didn't show up and he was looking for a combination that would play. Mick was also quoted after the game as saying he didn't care is he had to play the walk ons he was going to find 5 guys who wanted to play smart basketball. He said if they were going to lose they were going to lose doing things his way.

Then why did SK play 39 minutes shooting 25% from the floor with 7 turnovers (35% of the team's total)? He almost single-handedly took us out of the game in the first half. I love SK, but de deserved more bench time in the game. We had a decent lead until he started handing the ball over to them on every possession. He, more than anybody else, seemed unprepared mentally to play that game. I love him, but that was a god-awful performance and probably deserved more than 60 seconds of bench time.

But obviously, due to a shortage of offense, his hands are tied with SK.

 

[bearcat jeff]

Then why did SK play 39 minutes shooting 25% from the floor with 7 turnovers (35% of the team's total)? He almost single-handedly took us out of the game in the first half. I love SK, but de deserved more bench time in the game. We had a decent lead until he started handing the ball over to them on every possession. He, more than anybody else, seemed unprepared mentally to play that game. I love him, but that was a god-awful performance and probably deserved more than 60 seconds of bench time.

But obviously, due to a shortage of offense, his hands are tied with SK.

"Then why did SK play 39 minutes shooting 25% from the floor with 7 turnovers (35% of the team's total)?"

"But obviously, due to a shortage of offense, his hands are tied with SK"


Kind of answered your own question didn't you?

 

[L-T]

"Then why did SK play 39 minutes shooting 25% from the floor with 7 turnovers (35% of the team's total)?"

"But obviously, due to a shortage of offense, his hands are tied with SK"


Kind of answered your own question didn't you?

You know.....when the moderator tells you your not allowed to stir things up or you'll be banned, what in the hell do you expect me to do? I typed my comment and got to thinking, "Hmmm, this might stir things up, so then I had to answer my own question with a statement that would somewhat diffuse the 1st paragraph". When you're walking on eggshells, you have to adjust Jeff.

 

[bearcat jeff]

You know.....when the moderator tells you your not allowed to stir things up or you'll be banned, what in the hell do you expect me to do? I typed my comment and got to thinking, "Hmmm, this might stir things up, so then I had to answer my own question with a statement that would somewhat diffuse the 1st paragraph". When you're walking on eggshells, you have to adjust Jeff.

You're a smart man LT. There's a difference between debate and what happens on this forum at times. Coaches coach and players play. Against UConn the team (players) didn't show up. I said I knew the team wasn't there mentally when the normally reliable SK had 4 straight turnovers. But the fact is he can have a bad game and still put up 20. They needed every point they could get Saturday.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Then why did SK play 39 minutes shooting 25% from the floor with 7 turnovers (35% of the team's total)? He almost single-handedly took us out of the game in the first half. I love SK, but de deserved more bench time in the game. We had a decent lead until he started handing the ball over to them on every possession. He, more than anybody else, seemed unprepared mentally to play that game. I love him, but that was a god-awful performance and probably deserved more than 60 seconds of bench time.

But obviously, due to a shortage of offense, his hands are tied with SK.

Everyone who follows UC knows our only consistent scoring threat is SK. Our offense simply doesn't have the parts to overcome a off day by SK. Especially when we play teams our equal or better talent wise. Your feelings concerning Sk are irrelevent. Your assertion that he needn't bench time is wrong. The lead your referring to started slipping away after GG tried throwing a cross court pass that was picked off and turned into a uncontested lay up. Sk also turned the ball over. The lack off offense by this team in general means your only threat has to log minutes or we struggle. I'm sure your thinking we struggled anyway. That is true but you don't sit your best offensive senior leader in a close game when no one on the team can take his place. You win or lose with that which got you to the dance. You inability to enjoy the team on occassion is because you think you know more then the coach. Here is a news flash you don't.

 

[bearcat jeff]

He didn't argue that in all fairness. He recognized that in the end of his post.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

He didn't argue that in all fairness. He recognized that in the end of his post.

i can except that.

L_T sorry for my terse response.

 

[L-T]

i can except that.

L_T sorry for my terse response.

No problem Waite. Apology accepted. Always appreciate the "personal" feedback I get on this site.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

Honestly, SK's 4 straight turnovers are as much he doesn't need to be running the offense as much as it was him not showing up to play, maybe more so. Maybe he wasn't as focused as he needed to be but when he is handling the ball with no help 45 feet from the basket he is going to be prone to turning the ball over. I credit UConn for being very aggressive on the defensive end. The first game we played them they didn't seem to really play much defense other than token defense. Mick even said in his postgame that you shouldn't turn the ball over 20 times against a team that doesn't press you. While that is definitely true and they didn't press us, they were aggressive on the ball and going after balls and that might be something UConn gameplanned that we weren't ready for based on our previous meeting and from video we saw. It's no secret we don't take care of the ball the best. SK has been pretty good at not turning the ball over, but most of that is because he's getting fouled alot with the new emphasis on hand-checking and his added strength.

And to be clear I'm not blaming SK for this and I understand why Mick runs the offense through him more and more as it has been effective and our 2 pg's have not shown the ability to do it. It will be intersting come tournament time when whistles tend to come less often and now that some teams have shown how to defend us how we adjust or if we don't/can't adjust how that affects us.