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I understand your statement...but I still think it matters. Doesn't mean he wouldn't be successful but it is a negative in my opinion. I'm going to get behind any coach they hire, and I would get behind Brennan for sure. Just my concern.

I just don’t understand how dominating any league is a negative. I’ll also support any coach. Not big on a couple of the names but who knows.
 
I really don't want anybody with connections to UC or Huggins or Mick. I just want a fresh start.



I think the fanbase needs somebody from the outside. We don't need another hire where a group of the fanbase will never support him. Being at games in the early cronin years you'd hear people all game talking about how they couldn't stand him.



We could probably find worse than Frank Martin, but I just don't want him here.

I would tend to agree with you there. However, I wonder what a very short term contract with Savino would look like with a guy like NVE on staff. If it works out great...if not we can hire a coach when there are more options in the market in 2-3 years.

Outside of that the admin would have to be sold on a strong candidate and they would probably have to know more than what board here seems to see on the market at this point.

I hope they aren't too focused on our D culture which would limit the market even more than it is. I don't want Frank Martin
 
My immediate reaction to this Frank Martin news was “absofuckinglutely not”....and I’m not exactly sure why.

Hiring Pitino would make me ecstatic. Hiring Brannen would satisfy me....and after that i’d be pretty underwhelmed with the names floating around.
 
It seems to me this hire has to be a short term contract. There are obvious risks with just about all of the names. We need to be able to recruit and it would be nice to hold the roster in place. I don't know how short we can go on the contract realistically and still be able to recruit etc.

Do we know how soon they want to hire? I would imagine it has to be real soon and I would hope a lot of this research had already been done. We should have already been down to a short list with a few names perhaps popping up after Cronin signed off.
 
It seems to me this hire has to be a short term contract. There are obvious risks with just about all of the names. We need to be able to recruit and it would be nice to hold the roster in place. I don't know how short we can go on the contract realistically and still be able to recruit etc.

Do we know how soon they want to hire? I would imagine it has to be real soon and I would hope a lot of this research had already been done. We should have already been down to a short list with a few names perhaps popping up after Cronin signed off.

What do you consider “short-term”?
 
IDK. I would say as short as we can get it and allow the coach to recruit. If it's Savino maybe a 1 year deal? Anyone else maybe 3?

This sounds like the worst possible thing the program could do. What’s the point of a 1-3 year deal? Can’t recruit anyone if they don’t know if you’ll be there
 
This sounds like the worst possible thing the program could do. What’s the point of a 1-3 year deal? Can’t recruit anyone if they don’t know if you’ll be there

Right that is my concern. Contract IMO has to be 4 years minimum.
 
This sounds like the worst possible thing the program could do. What’s the point of a 1-3 year deal? Can’t recruit anyone if they don’t know if you’ll be there

The point would be the market kind of sucks right now and we could make a better hire soon (ONLY if we have to). We could extend after 1 year if it's working out. We already have a roster in place so one bad year of recruiting won't kill us.

UC doesn't have the money to buyout a high dollar guaranteed contract so that could potentially end up much worse if it doesn't work out.
 
The point would be the market kind of sucks right now and we could make a better hire soon (ONLY if we have to). We could extend after 1 year if it's working out. We already have a roster in place so one bad year of recruiting won't kill us.

UC doesn't have the money to buyout a high dollar guaranteed contract so that could potentially end up much worse if it doesn't work out.

This year's recruiting is vital to the continued success of bearcat basketball. Having a coach that players aren't sure are going to be there would make replacing Cumberland, Scott, Brooks pretty tough.

I don't like that at all.
 
The point would be the market kind of sucks right now and we could make a better hire soon (ONLY if we have to). We could extend after 1 year if it's working out. We already have a roster in place so one bad year of recruiting won't kill us.

UC doesn't have the money to buyout a high dollar guaranteed contract so that could potentially end up much worse if it doesn't work out.

We are never getting a “big” name. We will always get a retread or up and comer in this conference. Not sure what people expect. The names will always look like this. Up and comers that are “unproven”. They aren’t sexy now by might be when given a chance
 
This year's recruiting is vital to the continued success of bearcat basketball. Having a coach that players aren't sure are going to be there would make replacing Cumberland, Scott, Brooks pretty tough.

I don't like that at all.

I don't think it's too awful hard to get the type of players Cronin has landed. Outside of a few we aren't getting the cream of the crop. The players fit Cronin's system but many weren't high on radars. Cronin milked his system quite well and likely out performed the general potential of the roster.

We can use the transfer market too if getting high caliber HS guys for a year or two would be difficult. I understand the concern but I don't see it as big of a problem as others might.
 
I don't think it's too awful hard to get the type of players Cronin has landed. Outside of a few we aren't getting the cream of the crop. The players fit Cronin's system but many weren't high on radars. Cronin milked his system quite well and likely out performed the general potential of the roster.

We can use the transfer market too if getting high caliber HS guys for a year or two would be difficult. I understand the concern but I don't see it as big of a problem as others might.

I agree with you there. I don’t think it will be hard to match the level of recruits Cronin got.
 
This year's recruiting is vital to the continued success of bearcat basketball. Having a coach that players aren't sure are going to be there would make replacing Cumberland, Scott, Brooks pretty tough.

I don't like that at all.

I would also say a 4 year deal really doesn't guarantee a player that a coach will be there. Although it looks nice on paper.

I am more concerned with making a bad hire (with the current list of coaches) than I am with sub par recruiting for a year or two. We have been sub par recruiting for a long time now IMO. Sub par in terms of the history of our program being a perrenial top 25 team we don't get top 25 recruit classes. I think they are closer to 50.

We have a new arena and we have a storied program. Some of that should sell itself. A bad hire sets us back much further than a year or two of questionable recruits. Use the transfer market if we have to. A coach could also bring a couple of players along with him potentially.

I guess I would be okay with a 4 year deal with low buyout with minimal guarantees because we all know UC can't buyout a large number.
 
I'm still all in on Pitino. 100%.

If not him, and it appears it won't be him...

More established coaches: only going off what I've read, the names here are Matta and Martin. Neither one very exciting and each has significant drawbacks. I'd pick martin though from those 2.

Up and comers: Steve Forbes, Matt McMahon, and Steve Brennan interest me the most. I'd pick Forbes from that group, but I obviously don't have enough information on any to really pick the best. McMahon interests me cause he found extreme talent. He concerns me cause was Ja Morant responsible for all of his success? Brennan seems like a solid coach, but a bit uninspiring. I mean, it's the Horizon. And I fear that him being close is a reason he is in the mix and that seem very strange to me.

New: NVE. I don't want Nick. I would love it if he was willing to work on the staff of the new coach though.
Bro that is so wack of a perspective, what is the logic behind NVE coming from an NBA to sit on a college Bench? Why are you so uncomfortable with the idea of having a established college and NBA player with coaching experience at the highest level of basketball?? I'm just not understanding that Nick is just as qualified as any of these up and comers... Recuriting is about conversing and managing ppl Nick is a cool cat and not some dusty clueless individual trying to coach he's been studying for a while now how much more studying do you need? Give it to Nick that is the top most appropriate choice without a doubt. All this pondering and speculation is just a little excessive
 
Bro that is so wack of a perspective, what is the logic behind NVE coming from an NBA to sit on a college Bench? Why are you so uncomfortable with the idea of having a established college and NBA player with coaching experience at the highest level of basketball?? I'm just not understanding that Nick is just as qualified as any of these up and comers... Recuriting is about conversing and managing ppl Nick is a cool cat and not some dusty clueless individual trying to coach he's been studying for a while now how much more studying do you need? Give it to Nick that is the top most appropriate choice without a doubt. All this pondering and speculation is just a little excessive

His head coach in the NBA just got fired...he will be looking for a job. Personally I don;t care if he comes to be an assistant, I just don't want him as the head coach. If he is, I'll support him, but he wouldn't be my choice. Unsure what is so "wack" about that.

Hiring an NBA guy with really no college experience and really no recruiting experience or pipeline is a huge risk IMO and not one I would make if I were making the decision.
 
Is there a coach out there that can bring a shooter with him...lol?

I kid a little but I would imagine if we bring in a coach who likes putting the ball in the hole....we will be looking at a totally different batch of players than we have been.

And I have to wonder what a new coach will do with Cronin's roster filled with many athletes? Will it even fit their system of coaching?

Are we looking at a coach who can do something with the current roster or rebuild it for their own style? Those are some tough questions since we have a pretty good squad for next season. It was built for Cronin though.
 
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