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cincycpaw said:
Yes I had this same thought the other day. In theory you would love to share with the captain of the team...however, if you need to keep things quiet, tough to rely on a college kid.

I’m really not sure what the best way to do things is. I tend to think you’d include a player rep (Cumberland) in some capacity.
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I hear you. I'm not saying they need to even tell him their prospective target, but someone should have definitely reached out to him, and the team. It's not that hard to understand.
 
I tell you what though, I'm ultimately disgusted at this administration. They never wanted to build a new arena. They didn't wanna accommodate Mick really. Now I'm hearing they didn't even interview NVE. But here we are looking at brannnen who is 0 and 2 vs UC two blowouts. The Murray St guy ok but I mean shouldn't the guy who you just inducted, the key component to your last final 4 at the least be considered. Esp when he himself calls?? That is just so lame. How is our current unit going to respect brannnen when they spent the past two yrs blowing his team out the gym? They never listened to Martin, Never listened to Terry, Corie, just no respect at all def leaves a sour taste in my mouth and it somewhat makes it hard to get behind such poor decision making.
 
JoeRunner89 said:
I tell you what though, I'm ultimately disgusted at this administration. They never wanted to build a new arena. They didn't wanna accommodate Mick really. Now I'm hearing they didn't even interview NVE. But here we are looking at brannnen who is 0 and 2 vs UC two blowouts. The Murray St guy ok but I mean shouldn't the guy who you just inducted, the key component to your last final 4 at the least be considered. Esp when he himself calls?? That is just so lame. How is our current unit going to respect brannnen when they spent the past two yrs blowing his team out the gym? They never listened to Martin, Never listened to Terry, Corie, just no respect at all def leaves a sour taste in my mouth and it somewhat makes it hard to get behind such poor decision making.
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good grief dude, get over the past. who gives a shit about nick van exel, seriously? judging by your name, you were barely alive when he played for cincinnati in the first place. i thought all the past seeking huggins humpers had permanently abandoned the program. we rebuilt this thing without you people and we don't need your nonsense now.

of course former players will stick up for other former players. who says they know dick about hiring a coach? mick and huggins were both successful smaller school coaches when we hired them. that's the model to follow. you don't get to try your hand at head coach for the first time at a program at this level and with this roster.
 
I'd be happy with both Brannen and McMahon. And I think in the case of Nick Van Exel, the worrying is all a bit silly.

After reading the UNLV analysis of Brannen's coaching, I think his job at NKU thus far is remarkably impressive. His team's defense has improved and the offense has been smart and adaptable, despite not having athletes that can just dominate you. He's been lucky somewhat with the players he's had to work with for their conference. But he's also just flat out coached and developed them. I think the offensive sets are really creative and would be exciting with some better players. This isn't just looking at a guy who is in our backyard.

Yep. There's been a lot of NBA guys who didn't work at their alma maters. But there have been several NBA guys who have worked. But forget all of that. This specifically is Nick Van Exel. He's a quality basketball mind and someone who have brought people together. He knows the game. I can guarantee things wouldn't be perfect out of the gate, but with the roster the way it is, I think there could be some good teams. We'd just need to hire another Larry Davis type of assistant who can help things run smoothly. Van Exel might not be Penny Hardaway's name to recruits looking at schools, but once they check into who is calling on them, they will open their door and listen.

I think McMahon has done his time and more than knows what he's doing to be successful at UC.
 
Madman81 said:
good grief dude, get over the past. who gives a shit about nick van exel, seriously? judging by your name, you were barely alive when he played for cincinnati in the first place. i thought all the past seeking huggins humpers had permanently abandoned the program. we rebuilt this thing without you people and we don't need your nonsense now.

of course former players will stick up for other former players. who says they know dick about hiring a coach? mick and huggins were both successful smaller school coaches when we hired them. that's the model to follow. you don't get to try your hand at head coach for the first time at a program at this level and with this roster.
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Who gives a shit about Van Exel? Dude STFU who are you? Very stupid comment I've been watching this stuff since a very very young, I've picked up on the minor details of what successful coaching and mediocre coaching is all about and it's not rocket science. All the "durrr can he recruit" comments like pls. Recuriting is nothing more than being personable and selling a program. Why the hell would u have to coach at the college level when you've already played and coached at the NBA level.. who really wants to keep Darren when he's been on staff how far has that gotten us. We need somebody new but at the same time someone familiar. You can stick around for this experiment of a hire, all this new blood stuff but not me. Bc the min someone new does get hired and players leave and we have a not so successful season stuck with someone who's average and can't recuriting any better than Cronin your gonna be feeling like an ass really, but hey that's none of my business... I wanted to keep Cronin in the first place administration drags thier feet as usual, complaining whining fans run him out of town and now look where we're at. Stuck with a cheap administration that doesn't know how to pull the trigger on the right coaches. All we can do is cross our fingers now
 
sirthought said:
I'd be happy with both Brannen and McMahon. And I think in the case of Nick Van Exel, the worrying is all a bit silly.

After reading the UNLV analysis of Brannen's coaching, I think his job at NKU thus far is remarkably impressive. His team's defense has improved and the offense has been smart and adaptable, despite not having athletes that can just dominate you. He's been lucky somewhat with the players he's had to work with for their conference. But he's also just flat out coached and developed them. I think the offensive sets are really creative and would be exciting with some better players. This isn't just looking at a guy who is in our backyard.

Yep. There's been a lot of NBA guys who didn't work at their alma maters. But there have been several NBA guys who have worked. But forget all of that. This specifically is Nick Van Exel. He's a quality basketball mind and someone who have brought people together. He knows the game. I can guarantee things wouldn't be perfect out of the gate, but with the roster the way it is, I think there could be some good teams. We'd just need to hire another Larry Davis type of assistant who can help things run smoothly. Van Exel might not be Penny Hardaway's name to recruits looking at schools, but once they check into who is calling on them, they will open their door and listen.

I think McMahon has done his time and more than knows what he's doing to be successful at UC.
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Those UNLV analysis of coaches have been awesome haven’t they?
 
JoeRunner89 said:
Who gives a shit about Van Exel? Dude STFU who are you? Very stupid comment I've been watching this stuff since a very very young, I've picked up on the minor details of what successful coaching and mediocre coaching is all about and it's not rocket science. All the "durrr can he recruit" comments like pls. Recuriting is nothing more than being personable and selling a program. Why the hell would u have to coach at the college level when you've already played and coached at the NBA level.. who really wants to keep Darren when he's been on staff how far has that gotten us. We need somebody new but at the same time someone familiar. You can stick around for this experiment of a hire, all this new blood stuff but not me. Bc the min someone new does get hired and players leave and we have a not so successful season stuck with someone who's average and can't recuriting any better than Cronin your gonna be feeling like an ass really, but hey that's none of my business... I wanted to keep Cronin in the first place administration drags thier feet as usual, complaining whining fans run him out of town and now look where we're at. Stuck with a cheap administration that doesn't know how to pull the trigger on the right coaches. All we can do is cross our fingers now
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should we hire oscar? he's got as much relevant coaching experience as nick van exel. who cares what someone did as a player? what does that have to do with coaching? what makes nick van exel any more likely to succeed than so many other failures with similar profiles? it's hard for me to imagine that an up and coming coach is nearly as likely to bomb out as someone with no meaningful head coaching experience. nick van exel is going to keep the current roster together because he's cool or something?

the rest of this post, as a response to me, is straw man nonsense. i wanted to keep cronin. i've got posts from years ago saying we wouldn't do better when certain people wanted him out. i don't think bohn saw cronin as crucial. i don't like that approach. i don't want darren savino.
 
I love how someone is upset we’d consider a coach we’ve beaten. Would you have preferred losing to an Horizon team twice?

I really don’t understand then Nick Van Exel thing. Well, I kind of do. It’s great we’re so loyal to our people but the resume simply isn’t there. Unless you personally know the guy, could anyone here really tell me what a NVE coached team would look like?
 
Madman81 said:
should we hire oscar? he's got as much relevant coaching experience as nick van exel. who cares what someone did as a player? what does that have to do with coaching? what makes nick van exel any more likely to succeed than so many other failures with similar profiles? it's hard for me to imagine that an up and coming coach is nearly as likely to bomb out as someone with no meaningful head coaching experience. nick van exel is going to keep the current roster together because he's cool or something?

the rest of this post, as a response to me, is straw man nonsense. i wanted to keep cronin. i've got posts from years ago saying we wouldn't do better when certain people wanted him out. i don't think bohn saw cronin as crucial. i don't like that approach. i don't want darren savino.
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He has coached at the highest level of basketball. He has had a 13 year CAREER in BASKETBALL. Explain how all of that doesn't matter. Players can coach, former players have coached, bill Russell was a players coach jhonny Dawkins seems to be doing fine and if Oscar coached any at all, being as great as he was here and the stars aligned how they've done now YES I would hire him to coach UC basketball why should it happen anywhere else? Agree with the bohn thing that's why Mick's gone, and unfortunately I'm not sure what bohns level of expertise is as far as I'm concerned he's just a man with a job that requires a team to make decisions and could be thinking more financial right now than anything. The whole campus is cheap on payroll but that's another topic. Not to digress I thought Mick was good enough to win here he most def did but I honestly feel Nick can get something out of 18 yr olds while also convincing them to be here
 
Cwebster19 said:
I love how someone is upset we’d consider a coach we’ve beaten. Would you have preferred losing to an Horizon team twice?

I really don’t understand then Nick Van Exel thing. Well, I kind of do. It’s great we’re so loyal to our people but the resume simply isn’t there. Unless you personally know the guy, could anyone here really tell me what a NVE coached team would look like?
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And no I wouldn't of perferred to lose to them it's just we played, not much of a travel. They had two tournament teams apparently and got waxed both times and besides it's not like they've been dominating the horizon. Mick got hired bc he branches of two hall of fame coaches... Hugs was an assistant at few strong places with very good success brannens 30 games over 500 in what 4 years with 2 tournament losses...
A NVE coached team could look fine why be negative about. Why can't he recurit 18 yr olds? What are his leadership deficiencies? And I'm sorry but yes a NVE team is a whole lot more energizing than a hire of anybody else that's been offered besides those who are proven it just is. Why not express loyalty to a guy who helped build this program. He played with and against Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash and Shaquille O'Neal. Those alone are strong selling points
 
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My top 5 of the rumored candidates are below. Overall, I think the list doesn’t inspire a ton of confidence n the future. I think McMahon is a solid coach who might be able to ride the Morant wave on the recruiting trail. He can at least claim to have coached a top 3 pick and has a tournament win under his belt. I am just not sold on Brannen...I think a lot of local media has a narrow focus on him because it’s easy and they are familiar.

1. Matt McMahon
2. Craig Smith
3. John Brannen
4. NVE
5. Bryce Drew
 
JoeRunner89 said:
And no I wouldn't of perferred to lose to them it's just we played, not much of a travel. They had two tournament teams apparently and got waxed both times and besides it's not like they've been dominating the horizon. Mick got hired bc he branches of two hall of fame coaches... Hugs was an assistant at few strong places with very good success brannens 30 games over 500 in what 4 years with 2 tournament losses...
A NVE coached team could look fine why be negative about. Why can't he recurit 18 yr olds? What are his leadership deficiencies? And I'm sorry but yes a NVE team is a whole lot more energizing than a hire of anybody else that's been offered besides those who are proven it just is. Why not express loyalty to a guy who helped build this program. He played with and against Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash and Shaquille O'Neal. Those alone are strong selling points
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Just get over NVE. NVE has no recruiting connections at the college level and no head coaching experience. Having played in the NBA does not get the recruits fawning all over you. He's not Penny.

Look at Johnny Dawkins? You mean the guy who has coached for 11 years and only been to two NCAA tournaments and who's teams have consistently under-performed the last few years. I'd consider him more a failure then a success at this point.

Brannen was an assistant at Alabama and responsible for bringing in quite a few very good recruits. As for losing in the NCAA tournament, you realize that at that level just making it is a major accompaniment right? He has also won the conference regular season title twice.

NVE could do well, but you don't hire a guy just because you hope he could do well. You hire a guy because he has a proven track record at succeeding at what you are hiring him to do. NVE does not have a track record of recruiting, nor of head coaching. If he wants to coach here - or at any major college team - he needs to put some effort into it (go coach at a mid major for a few years and have success... I hear NKU might be hiring soon), not just expect to be hired because of his name.
 
skyblade said:
Just get over NVE. NVE has no recruiting connections at the college level and no head coaching experience. Having played in the NBA does not get the recruits fawning all over you. He's not Penny.

Look at Johnny Dawkins? You mean the guy who has coached for 11 years and only been to two NCAA tournaments and who's teams have consistently under-performed the last few years. I'd consider him more a failure then a success at this point.

Brannen was an assistant at Alabama and responsible for bringing in quite a few very good recruits. As for losing in the NCAA tournament, you realize that at that level just making it is a major accompaniment right? He has also won the conference regular season title twice.

NVE could do well, but you don't hire a guy just because you hope he could do well. You hire a guy because he has a proven track record at succeeding at what you are hiring him to do. NVE does not have a track record of recruiting, nor of head coaching. If he wants to coach here - or at any major college team - he needs to put some effort into it (go coach at a mid major for a few years and have success... I hear NKU might be hiring soon), not just expect to be hired because of his name.
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Again he's coached at the highest level WTH would he have to prove himself coaching mid majors when he's a 13 yr pro as well.. brannnen, all of those guys never played or coached in the NBA and your being delusional and hard headed if you actually think he doesn't have a good enough resume those guys have never done what he's done and have never played on the level he's played like pls this is really comedy. And look at a lot of coaches who've never won big, that's the whole point anyway, and now we wanna talk about just getting to the dance funny, when a host of fans wanted to fire Mick just for that same reason my god
 
Mcginnjw said:
My top 5 of the rumored candidates are below. Overall, I think the list doesn’t inspire a ton of confidence n the future. I think McMahon is a solid coach who might be able to ride the Morant wave on the recruiting trail. He can at least claim to have coached a top 3 pick and has a tournament win under his belt. I am just not sold on Brannen...I think a lot of local media has a narrow focus on him because it’s easy and they are familiar.

1. Matt McMahon
2. Craig Smith
3. John Brannen
4. NVE
5. Bryce Drew
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Mchanon does intrigue me, the Morant thing is major without a doubt. I would have to say if not for Van Exel lmao... He would be the choice of this list of names but in the end we would be crossing our fingers just as much
 
Rothstein and Goodman both say we're expected to hire Brannen.

I think this is probably our best option all things considered.

Now to just convince everyone to stay
 

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