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After reading comments on various sites, including facebook, I get the sense that a lot of people expect Mick and the boys to be dominant like the days with Huggs. Let's be realistic, the bearcats no longer play in C-USA. Hence the reason for scheduling a weaker non-conference schedule. The Big East is the strongest and most deep conference in the nation by a large margin. UC and Cronin have gotten better each season, and I still believe this year will continue this pattern. Even if UC reaches the stage of being a national powerhouse, dominating the BEast will never be expected. I am excited about this team and the future. A win at St Johns will be a great win to get them back on track.
Go Bearcats!
 
I don't get why it is that when people are disappointed in a loss the apologist (sp?) come out. I have zero issue with the losses to Cuse and Nova. Honestly I hoped we'd get a win, but in my heart/gut knew it probably wouldn't happen. Last night was winnable and UC fans should have been pissed because the coaching staff put a game plan in place that catered to the opponents strengths. They played a guy 20 minutes you gave you 5 rebounds and no points. They left the most consistent offensive threat on the bench for 8 minutes in a half that saw the team score 19 points and miss 19 of 27 shots. You put no pressure on a team that folds like paper under pressure.

We all realize this isn't CUSA. That doesn't mean we can't be pissed when we see a debacle like last night. Against Syracuse the game plan was solid, the team just couldn't shoot and the players didn't perform. Last night the coaches never put the team in position to win. That's an entirely different situation. UC should have/could have won that game last night. They had nothing in place to utilize their athletic and quickness advantage. They were beat playing ND's game. You can't defend that.
 
I don't get why it is that when people are disappointed in a loss the apologist (sp?) come out. I have zero issue with the losses to Cuse and Nova. Honestly I hoped we'd get a win, but in my heart/gut knew it probably wouldn't happen. Last night was winnable and UC fans should have been pissed because the coaching staff put a game plan in place that catered to the opponents strengths. They played a guy 20 minutes you gave you 5 rebounds and no points. They left the most consistent offensive threat on the bench for 8 minutes in a half that saw the team score 19 points and miss 19 of 27 shots. You put no pressure on a team that folds like paper under pressure.

We all realize this isn't CUSA. That doesn't mean we can't be pissed when we see a debacle like last night. Against Syracuse the game plan was solid, the team just couldn't shoot and the players didn't perform. Last night the coaches never put the team in position to win. That's an entirely different situation. UC should have/could have won that game last night. They had nothing in place to utilize their athletic and quickness advantage. They were beat playing ND's game. You can't defend that.

I think you are being harsh when saying last night was a debacle. Last years SJU game was a debacle. ND at ND is a difficult game to win. UConn has lost there this year, and they are going to be Top 7 this week. That not to say we can't be disappointed. I was hoping that they would win last night, and if they played well in the first half, they would have. But the problem last night was the offense. They held ND to 66 (the last 8 or so coming on free throws). Thats a team that averages 77 points a game at home. The defense and lack of press was not the issue. When they did press in the second half, it did not create many turnovers and easy baskets. Their halfcourt defense was solid in the second half and they got out on the shooters. The problem last night was the offense. You can't beat a good team on the road missing 4 foot and under shots. Thomas has just not been effective offensively and that needs to be corrected. You have to be able to make 2 foot shots and he is just not strong enough to do it. Unfortunately there isn't a great option (even though people are calling for Biggie) otherwise they would have exercised it already. This may all sound like excuses, but it is what it is.
 
I think you are being harsh when saying last night was a debacle. Last years SJU game was a debacle. ND at ND is a difficult game to win. UConn has lost there this year, and they are going to be Top 7 this week. That not to say we can't be disappointed. I was hoping that they would win last night, and if they played well in the first half, they would have. But the problem last night was the offense. They held ND to 66 (the last 8 or so coming on free throws). Thats a team that averages 77 points a game at home. The defense and lack of press was not the issue. When they did press in the second half, it did not create many turnovers and easy baskets. Their halfcourt defense was solid in the second half and they got out on the shooters. The problem last night was the offense. You can't beat a good team on the road missing 4 foot and under shots. Thomas has just not been effective offensively and that needs to be corrected. You have to be able to make 2 foot shots and he is just not strong enough to do it. Unfortunately there isn't a great option (even though people are calling for Biggie) otherwise they would have exercised it already. This may all sound like excuses, but it is what it is.

It goes much deeper than not being strong enough physically. Seems as if the team is thinking as some of the posters on here. They are not expected to win a road game against a good Big East team. Thomas's misses are coming from inside the paint. Its a lack of focus, consentration and desire.

You have to go into every game expecting to win. Missing easy layups and short jumpers is a lack of all of this
 
The Nova and Cuse losses I accepted and just moved on, this one is very frustrating. Yes it's a tough place to play yes ND is a good team, but this one was winnable last night and the team came out and looked flat, not interested, and in my mind didn't really want it. They seemed to have accepted losing before they even hit the floor. I don't understand why they didn't press more. It did cause problems for ND in the end game and I believe could have been the difference in the game. If they want Nash to bring the ball up fine, run the zone press, not some man token pressure, Yancy isn't going to cover him all the way up the floor. Thomas, has his bright spots, but just is not strong enough to run with the bigs of the BEast. This is the first time this season that I'm truly concerned about this team. They seem to have lost their drive/desire to win. SK and Dion are about the only ones who looked like they wanted it. Don't get me started on why SK didn't get more minutes, he single handedly got the game to within 5 when they were down 14-16. Yes he can be a bit sloppy at time and have a bad turnover or two, but you can see he is a natural scorer and wants to get the ball to the rim.
 
It goes much deeper than not being strong enough physically. Seems as if the team is thinking as some of the posters on here. They are not expected to win a road game against a good Big East team. Thomas's misses are coming from inside the paint. Its a lack of focus, consentration and desire.
You have to go into every game expecting to win. Missing easy layups and short jumpers is a lack of all of this

I would agree with the first 2 but this team plays hard and gives effort for 40 minutes. Desire is not an issue. Additionally, what evidence do you have that this team doesn't believe it can win on the road. If that were the case they would have given up in the second half of each of their losses when they were down by 17-20 points. They cut the deficit to single digits in each game, and were down by 5 with 1:20 to go last night.
 
As fans, we have every right to be upset with last nights loss. We match up well against them and honestly should have dominated ND. We have depth to wear on them, guards who can D up and we have big guys who should have shred ND down low. What is really frustrating is the lack to finish the basketball or at minimum, getting fouled. They go up weak, try to avoid contact, and do not take it directly to the hoop. I am not really sure how and if they are going to change the offense, I just know they need to change. ha I guess that is why I am not a coach lol. But seriously, if we can only score 50-60 sum points, we won't win any games against the top 10 BE teams and that is a fact.
 
After reading comments on various sites, including facebook, I get the sense that a lot of people expect Mick and the boys to be dominant like the days with Huggs. Let's be realistic, the bearcats no longer play in C-USA. Hence the reason for scheduling a weaker non-conference schedule. The Big East is the strongest and most deep conference in the nation by a large margin. UC and Cronin have gotten better each season, and I still believe this year will continue this pattern. Even if UC reaches the stage of being a national powerhouse, dominating the BEast will never be expected. I am excited about this team and the future. A win at St Johns will be a great win to get them back on track.
Go Bearcats!


Really? Another thread on a Bearcat message board telling everyone this isn't C-USA? I'm pretty sure everyone knows this.

Why is the sh%t hitting the fan on this one? Did you watch last night? Cronin game plan was horrible. To leave your best scorer on the bench till you fall down 6-18 is crazy, No flow in the offense, leaving Thomas and Bishop on the floor for to long, no press, slow tempo. After saying changes were going to be made none were. It was just a pathetic display from the team last night. From head coach on.

Yeah, we all know we arent in C-USA anymore. People are upset with a lot more then the L we got last night.
 
i doubt mick came in and said "lets play the way nd wants us to play" the press got beat so he changed it. nd is full of seniors and thats what expirenced players do they make you play into their hands
 
It almost looks as if UC is not playing with a sense of urgency, they only decide to play there type of game when they are out of reach.. I know that they are playing hard and the expectations are higher than anyone expected, but they do not look to have that same passion. Cronin does tend to play to other teams game plans, but its time to start letting UC do what they do best and that is transition and crashing the glass for rebound put backs. There is not a team in the nation(Duke,Kansas,Ohio State) that would of beat ND last night with the way that we were shooting, just would not of happened. The worst thing for Dion was he hit some 3's the last game. He is not a shooter, i repeat he is not a shooter. Kid needs to hit glass and drive ball to basket. Heres a little insight on the players ,
Cash- use your speed, hit a layup and start shooting more 3's
Dion- Stop shooting 3's, start crashing glass harder and start using that freakish athleticism.
rashad- Rebound and play defense, stop shooting the 3.
Gates- post up 2 ft from basket not 22ft. put some fire in that body, if he dont it will cost him millions.
Thomas- hands straight up, rebound strong and start putting ball on floor a little.
SK- needs more time, dont understand why it takes so long for him to be put in when he plays solid defense also. if he plays 35 minutes a game he might average 35 pts a game.
Wilks- will only be productive if they are pressing, dont put him in if they are not.
Larry-wants to shoot the heck out the ball when he is missing, when he gets hot for a couple games he stops looking for his shot so much, does that make sense?
Biggie- Cant run or jump, sad to say glad when this senior class is gone.
Parker- thought he would contribute this year, man i was wrong.

Its not panic time by no means, but it is time to get a couple quality wins to improve the resume.
 
i doubt mick came in and said "lets play the way nd wants us to play" the press got beat so he changed it. nd is full of seniors and thats what expirenced players do they make you play into their hands

they didn't press the entire first half. That was a game where they should have pressed but Mick wasn't confident with the press and thought it would leave wide open shooters. That's what happens when you press good teams. Good thing they spent so much time pressing against the 16 bad teams only to stop it for the 3 good teams they've played.
 
I just wish, for once, that we will start a game on a big run like our last couple opponents have. They don't start second halves too much better either (Syracuse 16-0 run).

It's like they have to look up at the scoreboard and see they are down 15 before they finally start playing. Then by the time they make their run, they get gassed, catch a bad break, make a stupid foul, and before you know it, it's back to 10 point game.

We even got off to slow starts against XU and USF too but got lucky they aren't nearly as good as the teams we lost too.
 
I am so tired of people saying we aren't in CUSA anymore. DUH!! The BEast is the biggest and best conference in history period! That does not mean you accept mediocrity!!

This staff and the team missed a golden opportunity to get a quality road win in conference. A win that would have shut the critics up and given validity to their record. The staff put a game plan in play based on fear. It was a debacle!! Hell, even the announcers were wondering when they'd get some urgency and why they weren't pressing.

Mick Cronin coached to not lose last night not to win. If you don't get the differnece then I understand why middle of the pack is good enough for you. There is no bigger UC fan then me in this city. I fully support this program and the coach but last night was unacceptable to me as a fan and supporter of the program. No personnel adjustments were made. Playing people on the basis of their class year is bull$hit. Thomas should be riding the pine!!!! Gates gets two bodies put on him regularly because Thomas is no threat. He needs to sit and come off the bench. Sean Kilpatrick needs to play 28-30 minutes a game. He and Dixon understand in this league you need to attack!! It's a power league not finesse. This league is for the big boys.

There is nothing wrong with supporting this staff and saying they had a horrible game plan last night. Not only was it horrible, Mick stuck stubbornly with it till it was too late. The same can be said for his line up. Adjustments, adjustments, adjustments. That's why some teams get better as the season progress, some stay the same and some get worse. This team has potential. It needs tweaked after being exposed by the teams they are trying to catch.
 
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I am so tired of people saying we aren't in CUSA anymore. DUH!! The BEast is the biggest and best conference in history period! That does not mean you accept mediocrity!!

This staff and the team missed a golden opportunity to get a quality road win in conference. A win that would have shut the critics up and given validity to their record. The staff put a game plan in play based on fear. It was a debacle!! Hell, even the announcers were wondering when they'd get some urgency and why they weren't pressing.

Mick Cronin coached to not lose last night not to win. If you don't get the differnece then I understand why middle of the pack is good enough for you. There is no bigger UC fan then me in this city. I fully support this program and the coach but last night was unacceptable to me as a fan and supporter of the program. No personnel adjustments were made. Playing people on the basis of their class year is bull$hit. Thomas should be riding the pine!!!! Gates gets two bodies put on him regularly because Thomas is no threat. He needs to sit and come off the bench. Sean Kilpatrick needs to play 28-30 minutes a game. He and Dixon understand in this league you need to attack!! It's a power league not finesse. This league is for the big boys.

There is nothing wrong with supporting this staff and saying they had a horrible game plan last night. Not only was it horrible, Mick stuck stubbornly with it till it was too late. The same can be said for his line up. Adjustments, adjustments, adjustments. That's why some teams get better as the season progress, some stay the same and some get worse. This team has potential. It needs tweaked after being exposed by the teams they are trying to catch.

Agreed.

Seeing that the gameplan was sub par (to say the least) was as plain as day. But stating as such can get met with so many excuses. Enough already. We lost another road game. Everyone knows these are all good teams, so when people simply reply with ND's home record, or their ranking, it's patronizing to 99% of the people who take the time to come on here. It's not that we lost, but how we lost.

I really think, and I said it last year, that at times Mick tries to out-coach the opponent. Everything last night pointed to us putting pressure on them. I think it was a HUGE mistake not to, and I think it may have been out of stubbornness that we waited as long as we did. It did not make a whole lot of sense to me. And I think any chance we had was thrown out the window when we were still playing a halfcourt game, with under 10 to go.

And going forward, it's obvious something has to be done with Thomas. You cannot get, literally, zero production out of that spot, on a team that is already offensive challenged. It's not as if Thomas is good defensively either. I'm not sure what they do exactly, but a change must be made.

If it were me, I'd maybe just give those minutes to Jackson. It's not like he can be any worse offensively. 1) The kid is great in the full court defense, 2.)The kid gives effort and 3.) And this may be the most important, you're giving him experience for next year. This team is not going to win anything of any great measure this year. They'll be lucky to sneak as an 8 seed or below. We'll need Jackson a ton next year, so why not?

Let's just hope they can win Sat or we could be in some trouble. You would have to think the kids confidence must be rattled a little. If we can steal that game, and handle our business against Rutgers at home, I think we'll be back on some solid ground.
 
I should have been more direct in my original post. I was mainly speaking about comments from people on facebook and then enquirer. I cannot stand the ones who say they cannot support this team until the cats are winning conferences like the days of old. This post was my rant. I post on this site because i respect the knowledge and the opinions of the members on this site. I should have been more clear. And by the way, I am very frustrated with the Cats' loss last night, and their bipolar play. However, I am not counting them out yet, nor will I be calling for Cronin's head. Call me an apologist, or whatever you want, Cronin overall has brought this team back into consideration. Lets hope they show up against sju on saturday.
Go Bearcats!
 
I believe most are over analyizing UC's losses.

No one has won a game at Villanova, at Syracuse, or at Notre Dame this season.
 
I have by no means given up on them. They are 16-3 with loses to 2 top 10 teams and a top 20 team. Even a loss to St. Johns on the road won't kill them. There are many winnable games left and 10-8 is a real possibility.

My issue and frustration lies solely in a wasted opportunity and the game plan that aided it. It was scared coaching to me. Almost like he was afraid to get blown out so he went completely conservative. It's games like that make the players question things. They know who is playing well and who should and shouldn't be on the court.

Regardless of what's said you know it has to be frustrating to Sean and those behind Thomas.
 
I believe most are over analyizing UC's losses.

No one has won a game at Villanova, at Syracuse, or at Notre Dame this season.

Noone had ever gone to the moon. Nobody had ever flown. Noone had ever heard of the internet. Thank goodness somebody believed they could.

As usual Ralph you miss or ignore the point. The game plan have them no shot to win!! Zero changes were made. No strategic changes were made. It's the way and why they lost that bothers people. You, like others like to state the obvious. Look below the surface a bit.
 
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