Last 3 Games/What's There To Complain About?

[Juliepitzer]

He didn't pick Louisville, he picked Pitino. Pitino just happened to be the coach at Louisville at the time. Pitino also had a long list of assistants that had ascended to HCing positions elsewhere, while the coach of UC at that time had essentially none. Was he supposed to say No because some narrow minded people would look at this move and not be able to differentiate the difference. I think he thought long and hard about the move and then made the same decision that ANYONE else in his position would have made. BTW, Huggins assistants were bailing the prorgam at the time and could see the handwriting on the wall. He also didn't foster loyalty from some of his assistants when he let John Loyer fall on the sword for the Charles Williams fiasco.

Banned again? Welcome back my friend. This actually has nothing to do with Huggins but everything to do with an ageless rivalry to the disenchanted. The rest of your post are rehashed comments as old as the keg of nails and I will not debate a "dead horse" issue with you. I will say this. I enjoy reading most of your posts, though I rarely agree with your position. They are well represented and show the thoughtfulness you put into constructing them. I am also glad you have steered clear of the temptation to make this personal and instead show a a willingness to engage in a respectful debate. Kudos.

You do have a point in regards to his wish to learn under Pitino and not conspire against his alma mater under the Louisville banner. Point well taken. But on the same line, you cannot blame fans for being angry over one of our own going to a rival, knowing he would be coaching against us eventually.

 

[bearcat jeff]

Being given an opportunity to coach under Pitino was the equal ofa journeyman being given an opportunity to learn under a master. You don't pass that up. Nobody passionate about his work would do so. There are few others that would be a better pattern to follow. There's nobody on this board that wouldn't have done the same in similiar circumstances.

 

[Juliepitzer]

Being given an opportunity to coach under Pitino was the equal ofa journeyman being given an opportunity to learn under a master. You don't pass that up. Nobody passionate about his work would do so. There are few others that would be a better pattern to follow. There's nobody on this board that wouldn't have done the same in similiar circumstances.

As a resonable person who is able to sit back and analize, your statement is with merit. The mania which flows though a fans veins, however, rarely allows reason to have much of a say in matters and most fans do not take the time to look deeper into events. They do not ask why, nor do they care. They are fans and not analyst like many who spend time in forums. When I attend games, the reasonable man stays home and the fan in me takes over for a couple hours. The analysis I leave up to others. Same is true for most fans.

 

[nparker1]

As a resonable person who is able to sit back and analize, your statement is with merit. The mania which flows though a fans veins, however, rarely allows reason to have much of a say in matters and most fans do not take the time to look deeper into events. They do not ask why, nor do they care. They are fans and not analyst like many who spend time in forums. When I attend games, the reasonable man stays home and the fan in me takes over for a couple hours. The analysis I leave up to others. Same is true for most fans.

very well written response jp. i have been thinking along the same lines, but could not put it into the right words...it is great having Bearcattalk returning to its original quality and form!

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Agreed.

AK has not done $hit at Ole Miss, so what makes people think he could have done anything at UC in the BE?

I like AK (when he isn't going on racist rants against cab drivers), but he was not the man for this job.

Seriously. What has AK accomplished at Ole Miss? Do any of you actually watch his team play? Not much defense, and the offense is "give the ball to Chris Warren and get out of the way."

It was always understood that AK was interim coach for a year, hence why he didn't recruit while he was HC for that one year.

Not only did he not recruit, the guy actively recruited against the program, and sat back and laughed about in his final post game after the WVU game. The guy is an ass clown and I hope he gets fired after this year and ends up on someone's bench as an assistant.

 

[anbuc88]

Banned again? Welcome back my friend. This actually has nothing to do with Huggins but everything to do with an ageless rivalry to the disenchanted. The rest of your post are rehashed comments as old as the keg of nails and I will not debate a "dead horse" issue with you. I will say this. I enjoy reading most of your posts, though I rarely agree with your position. They are well represented and show the thoughtfulness you put into constructing them. I am also glad you have steered clear of the temptation to make this personal and instead show a a willingness to engage in a respectful debate. Kudos.

You do have a point in regards to his wish to learn under Pitino and not conspire against his alma mater under the Louisville banner. Point well taken. But on the same line, you cannot blame fans for being angry over one of our own going to a rival, knowing he would be coaching against us eventually.

Thanks for starting your always classy post by taking a shot at me. BTW, I was banned at BCN, not here. Since you are on Cincinnati.com and on here, and obviously visit BCN, why don't you also post over there? That site is more anti-Cronin than here, and I am sure you enjoyed all the comments after the SJU loss. A lot of the posters on here were invited to join this forum because of their pro Cronin and pro UC stance. Has your IP address been permanently banned over there, otherwise I'm not sure why you would choose Cincinnati.com over BCT. That is by far the worst site to post, and I bet hardly anyone on here would even waste their time looking at the mindless drivel that is posted over there.

As far as not blaming fans for being upset at him leaving for Louisville, once he became the coach at UC all animosity should have ended. Unless there was another reason for disliking him, of course. And in light of the reasons myself and others have expounded, any reasonable fan, whether bleeding red and black or not, would have to agree and move on. BTW, I along with most everyone who posts on here bleed red and black. Thats not just reserved for those who take a sports rivalry like the keg of nails like it is a life and death experience. And thats all that it is, a sports rivalry.

 

[UCalum08]

Yep. Morons.

The people that complain about this stuff are just not smart. It's understandable. We have a large fan base with plenty of unintelligent people. There are bound to be fools in the crowd, especially when they can hide behind a computer screen and keyboard.

Hook, line, sinker. You nailed it. I also hate sitting at the game and hearing the rumblings of some drunk, uniformed "UC" fan start crying and cussing saying Mick is a joke, too short, can't coach, tie his shoes right etc etc when UC turns it over or misses a shot. It is embarrassing to have fans like that. Which I know there will always be people there like that but sometimes I wonder why they even come to games or "support" the team ha. I love what Mick has done and will continue to do but improve as well. Cronin didn't create this mess he inherited it. The only ones to blame are the previous coaches and people inside the athletic department and university.

 

[Who Dey Time]

For me, it has never been the team. I have cheered them on the past 5 seasons as I had done the prior 5. I also would not consider myself a Hugginite either. My issue has always been, and still is to an extent (but has faded a little every year), the way Cronin left the team. How he came back was not his fault in the least but I really believe that issue should have been addressed and put to rest back in '06. Time heals wounds so to say and I am sure that one will heal as well. Personally I think that vocal complainers probably feel the same as I do. You asked Bearcat lol. Now keep the season rolling and lets head into the Big East Tournament. Go Cats.

Why did it need to be addressed? It's pretty obvious that, if you aspire to be a head coach, you have/had a better chance of achieving that from Pitino's staff than Huggins'.

The Rick Pitino coaching tree is long and successful....The Bob Huggins coaching tree is what? Frank Martin and Andy Kennedy?

I think most people who feel this way would never admit this (if only because it would credit Cronin) but Cronin leaving UC really had a negative impact on recruiting the last few CUSA years. When Cronin was the likes of DerMarr Johnson, Kenny Satterfield, etc. were brought in as blue chip players. After Cronin leaves....Muhammed, Chad Moore, etc.

 

[Juliepitzer]

Thanks for starting your always classy post by taking a shot at me. BTW, I was banned at BCN, not here. Since you are on Cincinnati.com and on here, and obviously visit BCN, why don't you also post over there? That site is more anti-Cronin than here, and I am sure you enjoyed all the comments after the SJU loss. A lot of the posters on here were invited to join this forum because of their pro Cronin and pro UC stance. Has your IP address been permanently banned over there, otherwise I'm not sure why you would choose Cincinnati.com over BCT. That is by far the worst site to post, and I bet hardly anyone on here would even waste their time looking at the mindless drivel that is posted over there.

As far as not blaming fans for being upset at him leaving for Louisville, once he became the coach at UC all animosity should have ended. Unless there was another reason for disliking him, of course. And in light of the reasons myself and others have expounded, any reasonable fan, whether bleeding red and black or not, would have to agree and move on. BTW, I along with most everyone who posts on here bleed red and black. Thats not just reserved for those who take a sports rivalry like the keg of nails like it is a life and death experience. And thats all that it is, a sports rivalry.

Lighten up Francis! It was a joke. I see you haven't lost that wonderful sense of humor.

To expand on your heartwarming post I will enlighten you on some facts. My post are rare but I cannot help myself once I see you grace this site with your wisdom and presence. My wife, on the other hand, loves posting on Bearcat sites and views it as a hobby. To my knowledge she has never been banned and has been more than respectful to others in her post, unlike some (wink, wink). From what I have heard about the Enquirers website, there are 3 type of posters on there. Ralph, his 30 ids and the rest. So that explains the lunacy which must run amok at that site.

To go on as I must, we both are anti-Cronin but huge team fans. One can dislike the coach but love the team. Agreed? As for the Keg of Nails rivalry, it is far more to a lot of us than just a game. That is the difference with fans these days. During my time at UC (Class of '67), we took these things very seriously and to heart. Fans today just view it as another game. What a shame. You are missing out on so many rich traditions.

 

[anbuc88]

Lighten up Francis! It was a joke. I see you haven't lost that wonderful sense of humor.

To expand on your heartwarming post I will enlighten you on some facts. My post are rare but I cannot help myself once I see you grace this site with your wisdom and presence. My wife, on the other hand, loves posting on Bearcat sites and views it as a hobby. To my knowledge she has never been banned and has been more than respectful to others in her post, unlike some (wink, wink). From what I have heard about the Enquirers website, there are 3 type of posters on there. Ralph, his 30 ids and the rest. So that explains the lunacy which must run amok at that site.

To go on as I must, we both are anti-Cronin but huge team fans. One can dislike the coach but love the team. Agreed? As for the Keg of Nails rivalry, it is far more to a lot of us than just a game. That is the difference with fans these days. During my time at UC (Class of '67), we took these things very seriously and to heart. Fans today just view it as another game. What a shame. You are missing out on so many rich traditions.

Ah, I see. Whenever you insult someone it is just a joke. When someone does this to your wife, it is not a joke, but just someone who lack class, are punks, little old men, or dispicable. As far as being banned from anonymous message boards, if that the worst thing someone can say about you, then you are ahead of the curve. Plus, you actually have to add something of substance to a conversation to be banned. Likely the reason she has never been banned.

Isn't it great that the team is enjoying a successful season? Probably warms your heart that the coach of UC will be given an extension at the end of the season, and you can continue to root for the team to win and him to lose. Not sure how that works, but good luck with it.

 

[Juliepitzer]

Ah, I see. Whenever you insult someone it is just a joke. When someone does this to your wife, it is not a joke, but just someone who lack class, are punks, little old men, or dispicable. As far as being banned from anonymous message boards, if that the worst thing someone can say about you, then you are ahead of the curve. Plus, you actually have to add something of substance to a conversation to be banned. Likely the reason she has never been banned.

Isn't it great that the team is enjoying a successful season? Probably warms your heart that the coach of UC will be given an extension at the end of the season, and you can continue to root for the team to win and him to lose. Not sure how that works, but good luck with it.

The subtance issue you brought up makes wonderful sense. Explains why Ralph got banned. He brings so many intelligent points to the table. Thank you so much for explaining that to us. You are truly an oracle amongst mortals. And no, I am not the one who is mindful of anothers feelings. That trait rest with my better half.

 

[anbuc88]

The subtance issue you brought up makes wonderful sense. Explains why Ralph got banned. He brings so many intelligent points to the table. Thank you so much for explaining that to us. You are truly an oracle amongst mortals.

Is this another insult or another joke. Having no sense of humor, please enlighten me. Also let us all know how to go about rooting for the team to win, but Cronin to lose. I think all of us would like to know.

 

[Juliepitzer]

Is this another insult or another joke. Having no sense of humor, please enlighten me. Also let us all know how to go about rooting for the team to win, but Cronin to lose. I think all of us would like to know.

Ding Ding! Round 2. Always one for putting words into another's mouth aren't you? So much for the well thought out post. Some things never change do they my antagonistic friend. I think it is quite obvious from my wife's post that she wishes nothing but success for the Bearcats. If that means shared glory for Cronin, then so be it. As for moi (that is french by the way), I can live without basketball. I am a football guy.

 

[ME80]

Ding Ding! Round 2. Always one for putting words into another's mouth aren't you? So much for the well thought out post. Some things never change do they my antagonistic friend. I think it is quite obvious from my wife's post that she wishes nothing but success for the Bearcats. If that means shared glory for Cronin, then so be it. As for moi (that is french by the way), I can live without basketball. I am a football guy.

I have a request. Can you please get an account for yourself so I really know who is posting? Appreciate it!

 

[JasonS]

I have a request. Can you please get an account for yourself so I really know who is posting? Appreciate it!

I second this. I think his posts give his wife a bad name on this board. It would be nice to know who is saying what if for nothing more than to help us understand the perspective.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

Anyone else see the irony in the title of this thread and where this thread has gone?

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Anyone else see the irony in the title of this thread and where this thread has gone?

I think its clear anbuc and the other one should be banned.

EDIT: or get a room

 

[ready2go]

I think its clear anbuc and the other one should be banned.

EDIT: or get a room

They are stealing my thunder

I myself have always been a fan of the program and of the team.

I have gone to countless games. When Mick was hired I stood up to many of my friends, Yes I have friends, and said give the man a chance. Lets see what he can do.

Although my thoughts have changed about Mick, not going there, I still support the team

Hope to watch the Cats in the Tourny during work

 

[Juliepitzer]

I have a request. Can you please get an account for yourself so I really know who is posting? Appreciate it!

My husband created his own account, amberlycolonel, in order to keep me out of his and the other poster's personality conflict. I am sorry for the distraction and he promised to ignore any future conflicts should they arise. Again, my apologies. This is an top notch forum and I enjoy being a part of it. Thank you. Julie

 

[bearcat jeff]

Been away but I am going to read over the past few days posts and see what's going on and make some decisions. It amazes me that people continue to argue and get personal with others they will never see or meet. Thought our last round of bannings may have sent a message but obviously it didn't last long.