Playing Time

[prancer]

I know it's frustrating to watch Quadri play. He continues to look uncomfortable out there, and it sucks. But to his credit he is trying, he looks much better on defense, and he hasn't taken really bad shots this year. If a guy is uncomfortable on the court, he's not going to get comfortable unless you give him minutes. Can't do it in a competitive game, so you gotta get him minutes in blowouts.

So a game like this is a golden opportunity to put Quadri on the floor and get the poor guy some confidence. If he turns the ball over 10 times, so what. You give him his chances during blowouts -- if he disappoints, then don't play him in close games. But instead Mick played him for like 2 minutes -- Quad made a nice defensive play but then turned it over -- and immediately Mick pulls him. Quad goes to the bench and puts his head in his hands, clearly feeling like shit, and I don't think he's seen the floor since. Tobler is going to end up getting more minutes than Quad tonight!

This makes it feel like Mick is giving up on him. That's sad to me considering his obvious raw talent (versatile big who can stroke it) and the effort that he's showing. I know he hasn't earned playing time against an opponent like Iowa St or Butler, but (for most games) he's getting less playing time than every other bench player (and even the walk-ons tonight).

What do you guys think? It's easy to say "Quad sucks, don't play him." But in the interest of developing depth and giving the guy a fair shake, I think he needs more minutes in these games. Because between now and March, we know some combination of injuries and/or foul trouble will force Mick to play Quad in a close game. And when that game comes, we'll wish that he had a little more experience and confidence. (see 2015:Kentucky)

This is the only part of tonight's game that I don't feel good about. Other than this, great showing.

 

[prancer]

Btw, I feel this way about every scholarship bench guy, not just Quad. Late in the year, those guys are the difference in close games. So when Mick "overplays" the starters in blowouts, or doesn't utilize any speficic bench guy, I think that'll come back to bite us by March. Tonight I just felt like Quad was the odd man out.

 

[Alum2013]

I completely agree. Mick showed a complete lack of awareness (or maybe he just doesn't care) by not putting Quadri back into the game. I think you were spot on with everything you said.

 

[HoosierCat]

Felt the exact same. He sulked the rest of the game instead of celebrating on the bench with teammates.

 

[TNBearcat3]

I agree to an extent. Do I think he should have been put back in, probably so. But Quadri doesn't do himself any favors when he sulks and pouts on the bench. He essentially took himself out of the game mentally. Had he stayed engaged on the bench, into the game, maybe he would have went back in, we really don't know. I think Quadri has always had natural ability but he doesn't do himself any favors when he's in, he needs to slow down, let the game come to him on the offensive end. I think it's a little bit of Micks problem not putting him back in, but some of that falls directly on Quadri.

 

[Bcatfollower]

Quad needs to transfer. Mick will never let him play through his troubles, even in blowouts, and as mentioned before it is definitely apparent that he is trying and cares but is demoralized. Maybe a smaller d1 school that needs a offensive minded forward would be better for him.

 

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I know it's frustrating to watch Quadri play. He continues to look uncomfortable out there, and it sucks. But to his credit he is trying, he looks much better on defense, and he hasn't taken really bad shots this year. If a guy is uncomfortable on the court, he's not going to get comfortable unless you give him minutes. Can't do it in a competitive game, so you gotta get him minutes in blowouts.

So a game like this is a golden opportunity to put Quadri on the floor and get the poor guy some confidence. If he turns the ball over 10 times, so what. You give him his chances during blowouts -- if he disappoints, then don't play him in close games. But instead Mick played him for like 2 minutes -- Quad made a nice defensive play but then turned it over -- and immediately Mick pulls him. Quad goes to the bench and puts his head in his hands, clearly feeling like shit, and I don't think he's seen the floor since. Tobler is going to end up getting more minutes than Quad tonight!

This makes it feel like Mick is giving up on him. That's sad to me considering his obvious raw talent (versatile big who can stroke it) and the effort that he's showing. I know he hasn't earned playing time against an opponent like Iowa St or Butler, but (for most games) he's getting less playing time than every other bench player (and even the walk-ons tonight).

What do you guys think? It's easy to say "Quad sucks, don't play him." But in the interest of developing depth and giving the guy a fair shake, I think he needs more minutes in these games. Because between now and March, we know some combination of injuries and/or foul trouble will force Mick to play Quad in a close game. And when that game comes, we'll wish that he had a little more experience and confidence. (see 2015:Kentucky)

This is the only part of tonight's game that I don't feel good about. Other than this, great showing.

Unfortunately, the team outgrew him. With emergence of Scott and Brooks, he's the odd man out. How many times are you gonna travel making a move?

 

[Mcginnjw]

Quadri is a junior that still has little fundamentals. He travels, fouls, shoots everything, and doesn't box out. He doesn't fit with our system.

Scott and Brooks have solid fundamentals and are a better fit for our team. It is going to be hard for Quadri to get PT the further the season goes. It is probably Best for everyone if he transfers.

 

[Alum2013]

Quadri is a junior that still has little fundamentals. He travels, fouls, shoots everything, and doesn't box out. He doesn't fit with our system.

Scott and Brooks have solid fundamentals and are a better fit for our team. It is going to be hard for Quadri to get PT the further the season goes. It is probably Best for everyone if he transfers.

Not disagreeing at all, but there was no need to play Tolbert and the other walkons instead of putting Quadri back into the game. If he got a chance, who knows if he would improve or not. Obviously he's not as good as Ellis was, but one can't over state how many mental mistakes (traveling, goal tending, personal fouls, punching people) that guy made yet he had unlimited chances to develop and try to get better while playing.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I think Quadri Moore is too much about himself. Or at least he plays that way. And I don't think pity is a reason to play someone on scholarship at high D1. ESPECIALLY if that player is pouting and sulking on the bench when the team is performing very well. It seems like Moore knows he's not getting the minutes, so more or less says screw it when he is out there, and he just does what he wants. He doesn't play through/with his teammates at all. If he can't show signs of being a positive force on the court by his JR year, then he'll either need to accept whatever Cronin feels like giving him, or think about moving on. If he is okay with his role, loves his teammates, and wants to graduate at UC, I have no problem with that. But this is likely how it will be for him on the basketball side of things.

 

[UCalum08]

I think Quadri Moore is too much about himself. Or at least he plays that way. And I don't think pity is a reason to play someone on scholarship at high D1. ESPECIALLY if that player is pouting and sulking on the bench when the team is performing very well. It seems like Moore knows he's not getting the minutes, so more or less says screw it when he is out there, and he just does what he wants. He doesn't play through/with his teammates at all. If he can't show signs of being a positive force on the court by his JR year, then he'll either need to accept whatever Cronin feels like giving him, or think about moving on. If he is okay with his role, loves his teammates, and wants to graduate at UC, I have no problem with that. But this is likely how it will be for him on the basketball side of things.

Agree with this assessment. Also, I can't believe Quadri hasn't developed some sort of post up game. He doesn't need to be a post player but with his body size, he should have mastered getting the ball with his back to the basket and then either face up or make a move. He has a great shooting stroke for that type of play.

Quadri will never be able to do anything hanging around above the foul line. He has no dribbling skills. With that being said, he will never find a place in our offense if he can't adapt to it.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I think Quadri Moore is too much about himself. Or at least he plays that way. And I don't think pity is a reason to play someone on scholarship at high D1. ESPECIALLY if that player is pouting and sulking on the bench when the team is performing very well. It seems like Moore knows he's not getting the minutes, so more or less says screw it when he is out there, and he just does what he wants. He doesn't play through/with his teammates at all. If he can't show signs of being a positive force on the court by his JR year, then he'll either need to accept whatever Cronin feels like giving him, or think about moving on. If he is okay with his role, loves his teammates, and wants to graduate at UC, I have no problem with that. But this is likely how it will be for him on the basketball side of things.

agree completely. He has been here 3 years and his game has not improved or changed much at all. He is his own worst enemy on the floor by trying to do to much. Its his head more then his physical abilities.

 

[#BearcatNation]

Quadri has seen the floor for 442 minutes while at the university. That's plenty of time to get something together. He's now a junior. We know who he is. Look at any advanced stats and he's BY FAR the worst player on the team. It's really not even close. And to make matters worse, he shoots more than anyone on the team per 40 minutes (of anyone that isn't a walk-on).

Like others have said, he plays selfish, has a terrible attitude, and has been leaped by our freshmen. He's probably a very nice kid, but I think he's better off doing something like GeLawn Guyn did.

I don't see how a guy that is our obvious worst player not getting much playing time is a coach-issue.

 

[HoosierCat]

I think Quadri Moore is too much about himself. Or at least he plays that way. And I don't think pity is a reason to play someone on scholarship at high D1. ESPECIALLY if that player is pouting and sulking on the bench when the team is performing very well. It seems like Moore knows he's not getting the minutes, so more or less says screw it when he is out there, and he just does what he wants. He doesn't play through/with his teammates at all. If he can't show signs of being a positive force on the court by his JR year, then he'll either need to accept whatever Cronin feels like giving him, or think about moving on. If he is okay with his role, loves his teammates, and wants to graduate at UC, I have no problem with that. But this is likely how it will be for him on the basketball side of things.

I agree, didn't want him out there for pity sake. Wanted him to have a chance to play some minutes and HOPEFULLY get some kind of useful minutes to get himself going. I don't think anyone wants to see a player fail. I'm sure he is as frustrated as we are, but I do not like the sulking. That bench was estatic for Tobler, but Quad was still mad. Things like that can only bring a team down

 

[Union Bearcat]

Mick really spread the minutes out last night and limited the wear on our starters. Playing time is only a Quadri problem. The Quad is an emotional drain on the team and needs to exclusively ride the bench unless we see players in front of him foul out.

 

[UCalum08]

Anybody else feeling a bit like @caupain10 this morning? #bearcats https://t.co/0P2487GTqy

 

[David H]

You said it well, the only thing I would add is that he should get PT against some bad conference teams later and that it is important for the solid players get the bulk of the time to gel and gel well before the season gets tougher.

I agree to an extent. Do I think he should have been put back in, probably so. But Quadri doesn't do himself any favors when he sulks and pouts on the bench. He essentially took himself out of the game mentally. Had he stayed engaged on the bench, into the game, maybe he would have went back in, we really don't know. I think Quadri has always had natural ability but he doesn't do himself any favors when he's in, he needs to slow down, let the game come to him on the offensive end. I think it's a little bit of Micks problem not putting him back in, but some of that falls directly on Quadri.

 

[waterhead]

I know it's frustrating to watch Quadri play. He continues to look uncomfortable out there, and it sucks. But to his credit he is trying, he looks much better on defense, and he hasn't taken really bad shots this year. If a guy is uncomfortable on the court, he's not going to get comfortable unless you give him minutes. Can't do it in a competitive game, so you gotta get him minutes in blowouts.

So a game like this is a golden opportunity to put Quadri on the floor and get the poor guy some confidence. If he turns the ball over 10 times, so what. You give him his chances during blowouts -- if he disappoints, then don't play him in close games. But instead Mick played him for like 2 minutes -- Quad made a nice defensive play but then turned it over -- and immediately Mick pulls him. Quad goes to the bench and puts his head in his hands, clearly feeling like shit, and I don't think he's seen the floor since. Tobler is going to end up getting more minutes than Quad tonight!

This makes it feel like Mick is giving up on him. That's sad to me considering his obvious raw talent (versatile big who can stroke it) and the effort that he's showing. I know he hasn't earned playing time against an opponent like Iowa St or Butler, but (for most games) he's getting less playing time than every other bench player (and even the walk-ons tonight).

What do you guys think? It's easy to say "Quad sucks, don't play him." But in the interest of developing depth and giving the guy a fair shake, I think he needs more minutes in these games. Because between now and March, we know some combination of injuries and/or foul trouble will force Mick to play Quad in a close game. And when that game comes, we'll wish that he had a little more experience and confidence. (see 2015:Kentucky)

This is the only part of tonight's game that I don't feel good about. Other than this, great showing.

I think it depends a lot on what the coach has told him about when he goes in the game. If he says, go out there and set picks, rebound, defend and don't look for shots until late in clock...and then Q goes in to do the opposite? What do you do with a player like that?

He had 2 turnovers in 4 minutes which is forgiveable if he wasn't already leading the team in turnovers and shots take per 40 minutes. If Quadri just wants to score when he's in there and refuses to play the game the coach wants him to...he becomes a big liability in more ways than one. How do you trust a player if he's not doing what you tell him in the limited time you try to give him a chance? It's not hard to do what you are told for 8 minutes let alone 20...but these things don't seem to register with Q.

Contrast that with Jenifer this year. He's listening to the coach and his minutes have gone way up...and not only that...it's working. What do you know?

 

[Madman81]

quad sucks, don't play him.

we're long since past the point where it was time to admit the recruiting mistake and help him transfer somewhere else where the players are actually on his level.

quadri wouldn't even belong on that bowling green team.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I agree to an extent. Do I think he should have been put back in, probably so. But Quadri doesn't do himself any favors when he sulks and pouts on the bench. He essentially took himself out of the game mentally. Had he stayed engaged on the bench, into the game, maybe he would have went back in, we really don't know. I think Quadri has always had natural ability but he doesn't do himself any favors when he's in, he needs to slow down, let the game come to him on the offensive end. I think it's a little bit of Micks problem not putting him back in, but some of that falls directly on Quadri.

Really can't see how its Micks problem. If Quadri wants to see more PT he should try playing better. Not Micks problem. The only hammer the coach has is playing time. I suspect Mick is tired of seeing the same thing over and over again. Tough love is sometimes the most effective.