Take that ACC!
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Kingsley Court
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There IS a football forum. Do you realize that?
No, when did that happen?
ucdave
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I thought being in a weaker conference and being top dog is a good thing. Isn't that what you said in the other thread.
I thought being in a weaker conference and being top dog is a good thing. Isn't that what you said in the other thread.
Yes, that is exactly correct. Pitt and Syracuse are joining a weaker conference so they have a better chance of winning and going to a BCS Bowl game. They know they could never beat the Bearcats, WVU, Louisville, etc.
As long as the Big East has its AQ to a BCS Bowl game the Big East is absolutely the conference UC should be in. Much better to replace Pitt and Syracuse with Navy and Air Force and ECU than to go up against Oklahoma and Texas as a steady diet.
ucdave
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The problem with that is Louisville & WVU may not be in the Big East much longer.
TheLivingLegend
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When you where off in the land of the banned
DontMissHim
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Weak mentality. Would you want Big East basketball to be as easy as possible, also? That way making the tournament would be much easier.
JasonS
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Easy as possible? No. Easier than it is now? Absolutely. I don't care about Pitt and Syracuse leaving from a Basketball standpoint. The conference is still plenty strong in basketball. I only care from a football perspective. DeCourcy wrote an interesting article about this move to the ACC being the worst possible thing for Pitt basketball and I completely agree. I think Jamie Dixon will be gone within 5 years and Pitt basketball will go back to the mediocre program it was before Ben Howland and Jamie Dixon came along.
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Disagree about Pitt. They went from being in the best basketball conference by far to...being in the best basketball conference by far. (With syracuse and Pitt in the ACC. And possibly Uconn ).
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JasonS
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Disagree about Pitt. They went from being in the best basketball conference by far to...being in the best basketball conference by far. (With syracuse and Pitt in the ACC. And possibly Uconn
Read the article. It has nothing to do with the best conference. It is about the style of play. Pitt worked in the Big East because their blue collar style works. It won't work that way in the ACC. The games are called differently. Pitt doesn't get the top basketball players. They win because Jamie Dixon is a great coach and he recruits the style of players needed to win in the Big East. When he leaves Pitt (and he will), I don't see them getting another coach as good as he is.
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You don't think he can recruit the style of players needed to win the ACC? If he really is a great coach, I would think he would be able to. And- if he does leave Pitt- Sean Miller would have a very difficult decision to make. IMO, Pitt would go hard after him- Miller played at Pitt...I think thats one of the few schools in the country that could get Miller away from Arizona.
JasonS
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Pitt isn't a glamourous place to play. Can Jamie Dixon win with second tier players? Yep. Will Pitt win once he leaves? Nope.
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If they got Miller- they wouldn't miss a beat. Heck, he took Arizona to the elite 8 in his second year.
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Agreed. Miller is a good coach, and on top of that is a excellent recruiter. They would be fine if that scenario occurred.
JasonS
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That's a big IF though. I don't see Miller leaving Arizona any time soon.
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So they could win with Howland and when he left they continued winning with Dixon, but once he leaves Pitt all of a sudden can't win? Doubtful.
JasonS
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Where was Pitt before Howland? They were an average to below average program. You can only luck out in hiring so many times before it doesn't work out. There is nothing guaranteeing Pitt success in the ACC if and when Dixon leaves.
Miller is a Pitt alum, I think he jumps at the chance. I know for a fact it's his dream job.
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It actually is a bigger "If" then people think. Rumors were going around awhile ago that something went on between Miller and Pitt big enough to keep Miller away even if the job was offered. If he becomes a powerhouse at Arizona soon (which, I think is only a matter of time) and something did go on between Pitt and Miller- I could see those two being reasons for him to stay at Zona. In fact, even if nothing went on- if/when he becomes a powerhouse and is the top school in the west- I could see him staying at Arizona for the rest of his career.