Temple: Round 2

[UCalum08]

There really wasn't the disparity in the number of fouls last night like in the few games previous to that one. I think against SMU we only shot 4 FT's and 2 of them were in the last 2 minutes. In the day of no hand checking that is incredible.

Last night it wasn't about the disparity but when they call the fouls. They called 2 fouls on Ellis at the end with no time going off the clock. Then they called a quick one on Clark too.

My beef with the refs is, what is a foul anymore and what isn't? They call the dumbest most ticky tack fouls 20 feet from the basket and nothing down low.

I realize we don't always play strong down low and don't always drive to the hoop but..it seems like the refs pick important times during our games to start "gang calling" against us. They are momentum killers and messes with our players.

It also seems like during important match ups, you can write a check and cash it that either Ellis or Clark will pick up 2 early fouls.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

I really try not to be a homer with the refs, but last night I had the same feeling I had in the butler game. It seemed like the refs just wanted to get Houston back in the game and spent three to four minutes of game time just getting whistle happy on us only. The foul disparity in the smu game was bad and I think there were a couple missed calls but I think smu played great d with their hands up. We are bad about lowering our arms on shots and when players drive so we are going to pick up fouls when a team drives on us. Same with Tulsa game, we made a point to be active on defense so we picked up alot of fouls and it seemed a disparity, but i think it just was more we were actually being over agressive and the refs were calling it tight. Last night, I think Houston just didn't play d. Can't foul when you're not defending. My problem last night was inconsistency. There was a rebound in the first half that was fifty-fifty where the Houston guy turned and instead of jump ball it was a foul on our player. Same exact scenario late in the game and both players hands on ball our guy turns and it's called a jump ball. Same exact rebound, just be consistent. I thought in that stretch they were calling ticky-tack stuff for just one small window and only on us. Call it both ways and call it consistent the whole game and I'm fine.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Would you credit this more to the refs or that we really don't drive to the basket too much?

Probably a combination. But that said they sure don't have a problem calling every touch foul on us.

 

[Madman81]

lol my point was that some people's attitudes are so toxic that they blame the coach even for things that clearly aren't his fault. a kid doing dumb shit isn't the coach's fault - the kid just screwed up.

as far as the officiating - there were a number of misses by the refs in the houston game. there usually will be. there's a natural tendency to notice the ones that go against your team and gloss over the ones that go in your favor. i do, however, think the most egregious bad calls have tended to go against us at home this season, and i'm someone who is very impartial when it comes to officiating.

my biggest issue is inconsistency from game to game. the houston game was called like an old big east conference game. suddenly out the window were all the quick whistles for bumps, holds and handchecks that impede movement. you needed to be wearing armor underneath the basket.

contrast that with a lot of the other games we've seen this season, where the game has been called with a renewed emphasis on curtailing actions that impede movement.

the inconsistency and not knowing what you're going to get going into any given game is ridiculous and unacceptable. i wish there was one central body that dictated standards that must be followed and assigned all referees for all conferences. a "classic big east" kind of game, for example, is a fine thing to have, but it shouldn't be that was because it's being officiated any differently than anything else.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

-2.5

 

[justinhub2003]

I'm typically not a person who gets caught up in blaming the refs ( i leave that to my all friends who are UK fans).

But this year, I truly feel we got the short end of the stick in multiple games.

And against SMU for example; the Refs dictate the game. We took it down low initially in that game but weren't getting calls and was getting our shot blocked while being fouled.

So when the refs prove they wont call the foul on SMU, it changes the way you think. You stop driving and start shooting jump shots. The refs affect the game long after not calling or over calling fouls.

Against Butler; we had the opposite problem. Every thing we did was a foul so when that happens you instintively stop playing such tight defense and thus end up giving more points.


And the refs have changed our game plan multiple times this year. Really frustrating

 

[L-T]

I'm typically not a person who gets caught up in blaming the refs ( i leave that to my all friends who are UK fans).

But this year, I truly feel we got the short end of the stick in multiple games.

And against SMU for example; the Refs dictate the game. We took it down low initially in that game but weren't getting calls and was getting our shot blocked while being fouled.

So when the refs prove they wont call the foul on SMU, it changes the way you think. You stop driving and start shooting jump shots. The refs affect the game long after not calling or over calling fouls.

Against Butler; we had the opposite problem. Every thing we did was a foul so when that happens you instintively stop playing such tight defense and thus end up giving more points.


And the refs have changed our game plan multiple times this year. Really frustrating

Those who attend games on a regular basically quickly learn who the refs are that don't like us. Over the years, there "definitely" are a group of refs who consistently make calls against us. There is not a doubt in my mind. It's one of the first things I look for when I enter the arena. If I see one of those refs in the group, I get very nervous. If I see two, my confidence level drops to the point that I almost feel there's no chance of winning, or it will take a herculean effort to pull out a win. I believe it was the Butler game when that was the case. We had two of the refs who regularly screw our brains out. And, sure enough, on that full court pass at the end to win the game, the baseline ref with an absolutely perfect view of everything, missed in order...1) Butler player palming the ball, 2) Butler player with a 3-4 step travel from the top of the key to the basket, and 3) A clear out shoulder lowering offensive foul just before the shot. That ref, and I'm failing to recall his name, historically calls everything against us.

Back in the Huggs years, nearly every single time we played X, Jim Buhr and Tim Higgins were the refs. Everyone remembers Buhr and Higgins and how many times they single-handedly made some of the worst calls in history in those years to cause some of our most heart-breaking defeats, some in the NCAA. I remember coming in one night to the Xavier game and walking down the steps and the first thing I see was Buhr standing at half court with his hand on his chin like he always did, and then I glance to the right and saw Higgins. I turned around and went back out to the pay phone (lol...no cell phones then) and called my dad and said, "you might as well not come...Buhr and Higgins are doing the game". My dad turned around and went home and Xavier won the game....lol. It was one of those huge upset home losses that we had to them in the 90s. Don't ever believe that refs are insignificant.

 

[Madman81]

Those who attend games on a regular basically quickly learn who the refs are that don't like us. Over the years, there "definitely" are a group of refs who consistently make calls against us. There is not a doubt in my mind. It's one of the first things I look for when I enter the arena. If I see one of those refs in the group, I get very nervous. If I see two, my confidence level drops to the point that I almost feel there's no chance of winning, or it will take a herculean effort to pull out a win. I believe it was the Butler game when that was the case. We had two of the refs who regularly screw our brains out. And, sure enough, on that full court pass at the end to win the game, the baseline ref with an absolutely perfect view of everything, missed in order...1) Butler player palming the ball, 2) Butler player with a 3-4 step travel from the top of the key to the basket, and 3) A clear out shoulder lowering offensive foul just before the shot. That ref, and I'm failing to recall his name, historically calls everything against us.

Back in the Huggs years, nearly every single time we played X, Jim Buhr and Tim Higgins were the refs. Everyone remembers Buhr and Higgins and how many times they single-handedly made some of the worst calls in history in those years to cause some of our most heart-breaking defeats, some in the NCAA. I remember coming in one night to the Xavier game and walking down the steps and the first thing I see was Buhr standing at half court with his hand on his chin like he always did, and then I glance to the right and saw Higgins. I turned around and went back out to the pay phone (lol...no cell phones then) and called my dad and said, "you might as well not come...Buhr and Higgins are doing the game". My dad turned around and went home and Xavier won the game....lol. It was one of those huge upset home losses that we had to them in the 90s. Don't ever believe that refs are insignificant.

that would be doug sirmons, the world's king of calling technical fouls.

it does feel like there are certain referees who, for whatever reason, dislike cincinnati and slant their calls that way - folks like sirmons, or mike roberts (who also reffed the butler game), or jamie lucky, or james breeding.

i think the issue with a lot of guys like that is not some inherent distaste for our team but rather something pisses them off during the game and they then proceed to hold that against us for the rest of the game.

there's also an aspect of how often we seem to see those refs - with more opportunities to screw someone, more screwing occurs.

 

[jds513]

that would be doug sirmons, the world's king of calling technical fouls.

it does feel like there are certain referees who, for whatever reason, dislike cincinnati and slant their calls that way - folks like sirmons, or mike roberts (who also reffed the butler game), or jamie lucky, or james breeding.

i think the issue with a lot of guys like that is not some inherent distaste for our team but rather something pisses them off during the game and they then proceed to hold that against us for the rest of the game.

there's also an aspect of how often we seem to see those refs - with more opportunities to screw someone, more screwing occurs.

Let's not forget Ted Valentine.

 

[BoomBoomRoom]

Hopefuly I won't see the patented toss it around, don't consider a shot until less than 10 seconds then throw up a rushed shot attack. It ok to attempt an open shot or attack the rim with 10+ seconds on the clock isn't it ?
GO BEARCATS !

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Hopefuly I won't see the patented toss it around, don't consider a shot until less than 10 seconds then throw up a rushed shot attack. It ok to attempt an open shot or attack the rim with 10+ seconds on the clock isn't it ?
GO BEARCATS !

The only shot you can take with more than 10 on the shot clock is a long 2! You'd think the slowest team in America would emphasize efficiency! But no! Long 2s for days!

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

The only shot you can take with more than 10 on the shot clock is a long 2! You'd think the slowest team in America would emphasize efficiency! But no! Long 2s for days!

Does your assumption consider the other team trying to stop us. Would be interesting to see our shots and distance in relationship to shot clock. For example at the beginning of our last game we had at least 3 shots from inside 6ft one a point blank look at the rim Shaq missed. How effective are we at getting good looks as opposed to flat out misses. How much is player how much is scheme? Our we getting good looks in the lane.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Does your assumption consider the other team trying to stop us. Would be interesting to see our shots and distance in relationship to shot clock. For example at the beginning of our last game we had at least 3 shots from inside 6ft one a point blank look at the rim Shaq missed. How effective are we at getting good looks as opposed to flat out misses. How much is player how much is scheme? Our we getting good looks in the lane.

I was just messing around.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Starters are the same for us.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Zzzzzzzzz...

 

[Madman81]

welp, here you go, jenifer fans.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Thomas takes the worst shots. How can a 5th year guy be that clueless as to what a good shot is?

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Will we score 50 today?

 

[justinhub2003]

Welp caupain haters, your gonna get what you been asking for. Jenifer gonna get all the minutes this half.

Will see how this goes. He already has 1 TO that lead to points

 

[justinhub2003]

2 TO