What now?

[cincyguy13]

Got it... so stating facts is dumb ?


I can’t help it thst Tre Scott is worse under Brannen then he was under mick.

Tre Scott had a 114 offensive rating his sophomore year
113 his JR year

And now this season has a 98.4... which is by far the worst of his career.


He was a good passing big but his assist rate is the lowest of his career.


I’m 100% positive Tre turns it around.


Your out here crucifying Tre Scott, even though he’s the one who learned a new system after 4 years of an old one and your giving zero grace. But people giving all kinds of excuses for CJB and this terrible start isn’t his fault.

Tre and Jarron have had career worst numbers under Brannen’s system, and Keith has improved. But he was already improving year over year. His jumps from freshmen to sophomore was incredible and were seeing a star player being born for what should be an amazing senior season.

Listen.... you can spin it how ever you want. The reality is UC returned its top 3 scorers, it’s leading assist guy and its leading rebounder.

Lololol and one of those guys was z as preseason all American and nod your acting like the returning players don’t matter:

Kenpom’s started us 24th in kenpom because the metrics said we should be good.


And I love how you try to invalidate the top 3 scorers returning. Like yea, if Brannen inherited a team who returned its 3 best players from a team that won 5 games, then I’d see your point. But that’s not the case, he returned 3 leading players from a 28 win team and one of them was a preseason all American. I don’t understand how your trying to spin this.

The all American is hurt. (I think, who knows). That seems to be an important part of this equation. Do you think we would have won 28 games last year with Jarron hurt?
Just saying, 2 of the 3 returning leading scorers were never considered good scorers. Throw in all the metrics you want, literally no one ever looked at Tre and said, “that guy can score”. You keep saying we return leading scorers and UCLA doesn’t but UCLA has far better talent. Aside from Jarron.
And your right, anyone can spin it any way they want. That’s why it’s fun to argue about.

 

[waterhead]

I think our chances of making the tourney are very slim. If Jarron is hurt, We don’t have any chance against better teams and we need a couple good wins. It would take Harvey and Davenport playing a lot better, Jarron getting healthy and motivated, and Tre actually playing well and I haven’t seen many signs of these things happening.

Three of our best 4 games were the first 3 when we had only 30% of the offense installed. It was probably a lot easier to understand at that point and we didn't have to do as much thinking. This isn't going to get a lot better fast enough. I think our hopes right now are to gradually get better by end of season and win the conference tourney (long shot I know) if we are going to make the dance. We will have too many losses with only gradual improvement.

The turnovers aren't getting better and Brannen isn't going to slow it down so it's going to take time.

I don't know what is going on with McNeal. He has had 2 points in the last 4 games combined with no steals. He had 8 steals in the first 3 games. He's not going to the rack anymore which was probably his best option. MAW can shoot but he's not getting a lot of assists. He's got 3 in his last 5 games to go with 7 turnovers. Perhaps it's time to put Jarron at PG and bring Jaevin in? He assists and scores and makes plays.

 

[waterhead]

Three of our best 4 games were the first 3 when we had only 30% of the offense installed. It was probably a lot easier to understand at that point and we didn't have to do as much thinking. This isn't going to get a lot better fast enough. I think our hopes right now are to gradually get better by end of season and win the conference tourney (long shot I know) if we are going to make the dance. We will have too many losses with only gradual improvement.

The turnovers aren't getting better and Brannen isn't going to slow it down so it's going to take time.

I don't know what is going on with McNeal. He has had 2 points in the last 4 games combined with no steals. He had 8 steals in the first 3 games. He's not going to the rack anymore which was probably his best option. MAW can shoot but he's not getting a lot of assists. He's got 3 in his last 5 games to go with 7 turnovers. Perhaps it's time to put Jarron at PG and bring Jaevin in? He assists and scores and makes plays.

Put your best 5 out there.

Vogt
Scott
Williams
Cumberland
Cumberland

Sorolla and MAW first off the bench. See what happens. MAW can spell players as a PG or SG. Sorolla gives Vogt a break. You just have to figure out who can come in for Scott to give him a break. Maybe we just play small with Williams, Cumberlands and MAW with one of the bigs on the court.

 

[waterhead]

Three of our best 4 games were the first 3 when we had only 30% of the offense installed. It was probably a lot easier to understand at that point and we didn't have to do as much thinking. This isn't going to get a lot better fast enough. I think our hopes right now are to gradually get better by end of season and win the conference tourney (long shot I know) if we are going to make the dance. We will have too many losses with only gradual improvement.

The turnovers aren't getting better and Brannen isn't going to slow it down so it's going to take time.

I don't know what is going on with McNeal. He has had 2 points in the last 4 games combined with no steals. He had 8 steals in the first 3 games. He's not going to the rack anymore which was probably his best option. MAW can shoot but he's not getting a lot of assists. He's got 3 in his last 5 games to go with 7 turnovers. Perhaps it's time to put Jarron at PG and bring Jaevin in? He assists and scores and makes plays.

I wonder how much right now the turnovers are due to players not knowing where the other player is going when they make the pass. Chemistry and familiarity. In the most efficient offenses players are familiar with one another and what decisions they will make on reads. We have thrown more balls out of bounds than I care to remember. Some of them were not even close to the target.

Every player has to make the same read in the same situation for turnovers like that to go down. Brannen made a point in the presser about non steal turnovers...we are horrible. Traveling calls and just throwing the ball away etc. I can deal with some traveling and a few steals here and there but throwing the ball away this much is criminal. We look silly at times with how far away the target was to the pass.

I remember pre season comments about "on time on target passing" being a major focal point. We haven't been on time or on target

 

[waterhead]

Three of our best 4 games were the first 3 when we had only 30% of the offense installed. It was probably a lot easier to understand at that point and we didn't have to do as much thinking. This isn't going to get a lot better fast enough. I think our hopes right now are to gradually get better by end of season and win the conference tourney (long shot I know) if we are going to make the dance. We will have too many losses with only gradual improvement.

The turnovers aren't getting better and Brannen isn't going to slow it down so it's going to take time.

I don't know what is going on with McNeal. He has had 2 points in the last 4 games combined with no steals. He had 8 steals in the first 3 games. He's not going to the rack anymore which was probably his best option. MAW can shoot but he's not getting a lot of assists. He's got 3 in his last 5 games to go with 7 turnovers. Perhaps it's time to put Jarron at PG and bring Jaevin in? He assists and scores and makes plays.

We don't need a PG for this system to work. If we get hurt in a press then I can see needing to put one in for that situation. Brannen has played without PG's before. Put Jaevin in the starting lineup. See what happens and make adjustments.

 

[justinhub2003]

We don't need a PG for this system to work. If we get hurt in a press then I can see needing to put one in for that situation. Brannen has played without PG's before. Put Jaevin in the starting lineup. See what happens and make adjustments.

the fact is though, Jaevin helped blow the game as much as Jarron did.

His turnover then silly foul after the turnover coupled with bricking 2 straight free throws is the reason why we were tied.

We blow leads. That comes from everyone on the court at this point.

 

[waterhead]

the fact is though, Jaevin helped blow the game as much as Jarron did.

His turnover then silly foul after the turnover coupled with bricking 2 straight free throws is the reason why we were tied.

We blow leads. That comes from everyone on the court at this point.

I am not really talking about a Colgate standpoint...just overall would like to try something new. Jaevin knows how to play BB. He can shoot the 3, makes some nice passes and has gotten to the rim a few times.

We aren't very good on D and he won't help there but he can help to make the offense run better IMO. I don't have the plus minus numbers but something has to give. MAW does not make a lot of plays for others. Jarron does. Jaevin does a pretty good job.

Jaevin is at 19.8 points per 40. 3.4 assists. 1.2 steals. 2.8 turnovers.
MAW is at 13.2 points per 40. 1.8 assists. .8 steals. 3.6 turnovers.

I like MAW a lot but as a first off the bench option with Sorolla.

 

[waterhead]

Time for Jaevin to start!!! Sign the petition...let's get it rolling

I wanna see him play 35 minutes just to see what the hell we can create when he logs that type of minutes. How much worse is he on D than McNeal who hasn't had a steal since game 3 or MAW a frosh who's only had 3 on the season? I realize there is more to D than steals but just how big of a difference is there on the ball?

McNeal has stopped taking any chances/aggression at all on offense or D. MAW is not a lock down guy right now either.

 

[cincyalum2014]

Time for Jaevin to start!!! Sign the petition...let's get it rolling

I wanna see him play 35 minutes just to see what the hell we can create when he logs that type of minutes. How much worse is he on D than McNeal who hasn't had a steal since game 3 or MAW a frosh who's only had 3 on the season? I realize there is more to D than steals but just how big of a difference is there on the ball?

McNeal has stopped taking any chances/aggression at all on offense or D. MAW is not a lock down guy right now either.

If McNeal continues to play the way he is, he is essentially useless out there.. Shooting slumps happen and he is in one but he is not aggressive at all anymore, he doesn't drive to the basket like he did early in the season... I think that BG game really f'd him up

 

[TheRealMick]

Harvey should be 1st off bench.

 

[Goldpanner]

Hello everyone

I have been watching this board for quite a while, and thought it was time for me to give my two cents worth. I have been a fan since tony Yates, so I’ve Been around the block a few times. I liked Cronin, but he is gone now. When coaches leave, so do a portion of the team, that is normal. New coaches come in and typically struggle for a few years, yes there are situations where some don’t, but the norm is they do. I see a lot about voght on this board, brooks is gone, what would it be like without voght on this team? Big men almost always peak in their senior year, he is a junior, and has progressed impressively from last year. There is a lot of talk on here about the freshmen that Brannon recruited. How many freshman come in and dominate on a established system? Almost none. As for jarron’s rough start, I think it is a combination of injury and his attitude that he is the chosen one. Maybe his feelings got hurt when the NBA told him “not yet” , but he has to get his attitude right to have a chance to play at his level.

It’s going to be a rocky few years, but give these young players and new coach a chance.

I remember Cronin had a lot of critics when he came in saying he got hired because of local ties.

Be a fan. Root for the team in thick and thin. And hope Brannen is as good as a lot of people think he is.


There I feel better. Lol. I may be wrong, but I am a fan through thick and thin. Hoping for good times again. Time will tell. Go Bearcats

 

[TheLivingLegend]

Hello everyone

I have been watching this board for quite a while, and thought it was time for me to give my two cents worth. I have been a fan since tony Yates, so I’ve Been around the block a few times. I liked Cronin, but he is gone now. When coaches leave, so do a portion of the team, that is normal. New coaches come in and typically struggle for a few years, yes there are situations where some don’t, but the norm is they do. I see a lot about voght on this board, brooks is gone, what would it be like without voght on this team? Big men almost always peak in their senior year, he is a junior, and has progressed impressively from last year. There is a lot of talk on here about the freshmen that Brannon recruited. How many freshman come in and dominate on a established system? Almost none. As for jarron’s rough start, I think it is a combination of injury and his attitude that he is the chosen one. Maybe his feelings got hurt when the NBA told him “not yet” , but he has to get his attitude right to have a chance to play at his level.

It’s going to be a rocky few years, but give these young players and new coach a chance.

I remember Cronin had a lot of critics when he came in saying he got hired because of local ties.

Be a fan. Root for the team in thick and thin. And hope Brannen is as good as a lot of people think he is.


There I feel better. Lol. I may be wrong, but I am a fan through thick and thin. Hoping for good times again. Time will tell. Go Bearcats

Solid post.... Did you actually pan for gold? If so... Did you find any.

 

[cincrulz11]

Biggest moment for me for John Brannen will be December 21st when Tari Eason picks his school.



Program needs a boost and that would be a nice one. I'm pretty much writing off this team doing anything this season until conference tournament where we hope for a run.



I want to see the progress made during this year Xavier saw last year. Xavier was really bad before January last year and ended up playing really well down the stretch, we need that.

 

[Goldpanner]

Solid post.... Did you actually pan for gold? If so... Did you find any.

Not to get off topic, but yes. I dig for gold and yes I find it lol

 

[TheLivingLegend]

Not to get off topic, but yes. I dig for gold and yes I find it lol

Thats ideal....

 

[JoeRunner89]

We need a win tonight, we should be able play a close gane at home. The team just isn't very good. We were good last yr just couldn't keep a roster together. Vogt will be nothing by his senior yr hes barely anything now who else are we gonna give mins to? Ive never seen a 6 and 4 start and to think about who we are struggling against, man... John Brannen has a lot to prove, Cumberland been money since he got here but ofcourse everyone comes down on the kid when the coach choked his last time out being concerned about a colegate set defense?.. Kinda ironic coming from the fast paced offensivd guru, couldn't even draw us up a play... Im agitated with this team, the University and this fanbase for giving this weak bs a chance. If you knew better youd do better