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The revisionist history story today, by Doc Daugherty, in the Enquirer got me thinking. I’d like to revise history too, both the past and even the future. Like my gramma from Sicily used to say, “Spit in one hand, wish in the other, see which one gets filled up first”. But hey a little Pizon can dream can’t he.

So I wax philosophical about 6’10” Octavious Ellis and Aaron Mcghee. In 2001 what if the #1 seed Bearcats had Aaron Mcghee on the 2001 team instead of playing for the final four Oklahoma Sonners. Our coach made a thick headed move encouraging Mcghee to red shirt or attend Junior College, his sophmore year. He left, winding up at Oklahoma.

Or dare I conjure up Octavious Ellis, playing on this bearcat team in March. Instead he’ll be play for Arizona State next year. Ellis had to leave too, IMO, because of our long standing image problems discussed below.

Which brings me back to Daugherty’s main point about some fans not appreciating Mic Cronin, Most I think feel this way because of that little evil devil Huggins conscience on their left shoulder. I was the biggest Huggins fan out there and leaned to that shoulder for awhile too. His intensity, dead pan interviews, and talks about working in the coal mines were legendary, but I see now, revisionistly, he was a big part of the problem.

The bb program had an image problem. As they say, image is everything. We were looked at as a thug program. We played hard, and us local folks liked us, but nobody else did. This thugishness eventually effected our recruiting and results and now, in my revisionist future, maybe this March.

If we didn’t have our past image problems, Mic could have probably keep Octavious Ellis on the team, a team that desperately needs some front line depth. Some yahoo bouncer entices Ellis to make a bonehead move and Mic is forced to move on. Whereas another less image plagued program could have weathered that storm. This image stuff does matter.

I feel Mic has the team finally not viewed in a bad light. We’re known now as just playing hard. Justin Jackson’s mean face is viewed as intensity, or to us locals as an endearment, instead of Mongo, the horse puncher. Our defense is, as another Jackson, Jesse, might say, “prized, not despised”.

So you holdouts out there listen to that other little Mic conscience on your right shoulder. He wins with as much intensity as before, and we fans don’t have to deal with all the excess baggage.
 
I think you're putting way too much value in Ellis. He was okay, at best. Young, but you have no idea how good he'd have been. It sounds like you're saying he'd be a great contributor right now, and there's just no way of knowing that.

I agree with the fact that our image is improving, but the Crosstown Brawl sure didn't help. I think a lot of outsiders still see us as "thugs", but not nearly as many as there used to be.
 
I agree but you never know. You don't know on JC players, but he is on the #6 JC team in country,Trinity Community College, averaging 14 points and 9 boards.
 
I think you're putting way too much value in Ellis. He was okay, at best. Young, but you have no idea how good he'd have been. It sounds like you're saying he'd be a great contributor right now, and there's just no way of knowing that.

I agree with the fact that our image is improving, but the Crosstown Brawl sure didn't help. I think a lot of outsiders still see us as "thugs", but not nearly as many as there used to be.

This is true. But between him an DN it isnt close who id rather have
 
Guys not trying to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't discuss but in my opinion it is time to put the Huggins years in the rear view mirror. Huggs had his time. Its now time to enjoy this team. Comparing or woulda shoulda only keeps the friction alive and divides the fan base. Time to bury the past and embrace the present and future. I suggest unless we play WV let that fan base discuss Huggs. The story our coach and team are creating this year is far more exciting. It is also being picked up nationally. Recruits are taking notice. Great time to be a bearcat fan. Time to move forward and recognize the fine effort this team puts forth representing The University of Cincinnati.
 
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Guys not trying to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't discuss but in my opinion it is time to put the Huggins years in the rear view mirror. Huggs had his time. Its now time to enjoy this team. Comparing or woulda shoulda only keeps the friction alive and divides the fan base. Time to bury the past and embrace the present and future. I suggest unless we play WV let that fan base discuss Huggs. The story our coach and team are creating this year is far more exciting. It is also being picked up nationally. Recruits are taking notice. Great time to be a bearcat fan. Time to move forward and recognize the fine effort this team puts forth representing The University of Cincinnati.

Amen, brother. Couldn't have said it any better.
 
Guys not trying to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't discuss but in my opinion it is time to put the Huggins years in the rear view mirror. Huggs had his time. Its now time to enjoy this team. Comparing or woulda shoulda only keeps the friction alive and divides the fan base. Time to bury the past and embrace the present and future. I suggest unless we play WV let that fan base discuss Huggs. The story our coach and team are creating this year is far more exciting. It is also being picked up nationally. Recruits are taking notice. Great time to be a bearcat fan. Time to move forward and recognize the fine effort this team puts forth representing The University of Cincinnati.

100% agree. BTW, how hard is it to figure out that its Mick, not Mic.
 
Paul Daugherty sucks and anyone who tries to fuel this debate further is in the same boat with Doc. People who act like they're befuddled as to why the fans haven't supported Mick until now are being ridiculous.

Was Mick doing a decent job before this season? Sure he was, but he wasn't doing what he's doing now. I've said all along that the type of success this team is currently enjoying is what it would take to energize this fan base. Up until now and this season UC's program didn't deliver this level of success.

We're there now, it's what fans who were on the fence have been waiting for all along and it's finally here. Instead of having the a-holes like Doc write stories in the paper about why it took so long let's just celebrate the fact that Mick has done a tremendous job with this team.

Whether some people agree with it or not there are fans (myself included) who needed to see this team achieve this type of success before we truly could get behind Mick. There's still some idiots out there who hate Mick just because he's not Huggins but let those people sit on the sidelines and pretend to be upset while the rest of us enjoy the ride.

As I've said all along, it doesn't matter about ticket prices, or parking, or traffic, or the arena. It just matters that you win and you win consistently. Last night the place was packed, and it will be that way from here on out if this team continues to achieve a high level of success.

My hope going forward is that this is the type of success that is the norm and not the exception. This season should helps to boost our recruiting and set us on a path for continued success. Right now I feel better than ever about the future of this program under Mick and as long as he can have success like this be the norm and not the exception I'll be his biggest fan.
 
Thanks guys. Revisiting that old story is tired and old. Some do it to show how smart they are and others to it to keep the discord on the front burner.

What should be on the front burner is the perforamance of this Team and Coach. Anyone who is not on board the wagon will never be. MC is cultivating a new fan base. That's not to say the old ones aren't welcome. The more the merrier. I guess I'm saying as a Bearcat fan I couldn't be happier with the direction of the program. I never miss a game. Watch on TV or in person. It is a event at the house. Are we going to the game or are we going somewhere to watch. We plan our evening around the Schedule.
 
My biggest hope is that we don't have a big dropoff next year. I definitely think we're on the right track, but with so many youngsters next year, it's going to be hard to compete at the same level that we are this year. The fans need to be ready for that. But after next season, I see no reason as to why we won't be a top 15 team.
 
My biggest hope is that we don't have a big dropoff next year. I definitely think we're on the right track, but with so many youngsters next year, it's going to be hard to compete at the same level that we are this year. The fans need to be ready for that. But after next season, I see no reason as to why we won't be a top 15 team.
Lets enjoy this year. Also we graduated the starting point guard(CW)and the hardworking glue guy (JP) last year. This was thought to possibly be a step back year and look where we are right now. Yes replacing the 3 hard working, respected, and beloved seniors will be hard but lets enjoy the ride.
 
Paul Daugherty sucks and anyone who tries to fuel this debate further is in the same boat with Doc. People who act like they're befuddled as to why the fans haven't supported Mick until now are being ridiculous.

Was Mick doing a decent job before this season? Sure he was, but he wasn't doing what he's doing now. I've said all along that the type of success this team is currently enjoying is what it would take to energize this fan base. Up until now and this season UC's program didn't deliver this level of success.

We're there now, it's what fans who were on the fence have been waiting for all along and it's finally here. Instead of having the a-holes like Doc write stories in the paper about why it took so long let's just celebrate the fact that Mick has done a tremendous job with this team.

Whether some people agree with it or not there are fans (myself included) who needed to see this team achieve this type of success before we truly could get behind Mick. There's still some idiots out there who hate Mick just because he's not Huggins but let those people sit on the sidelines and pretend to be upset while the rest of us enjoy the ride.

As I've said all along, it doesn't matter about ticket prices, or parking, or traffic, or the arena. It just matters that you win and you win consistently. Last night the place was packed, and it will be that way from here on out if this team continues to achieve a high level of success.

My hope going forward is that this is the type of success that is the norm and not the exception. This season should helps to boost our recruiting and set us on a path for continued success. Right now I feel better than ever about the future of this program under Mick and as long as he can have success like this be the norm and not the exception I'll be his biggest fan.
I'm not a Doc apologist by any stretch of the imagination but I interpreted his article a tad different. I don't think he was reffering to the fans you are describing. I used to post on the message boards at Cincy.com. There was a group of posters over there who were beyond bad. The guy Doc reffered to was just one of the bad apples. Some of the comments directed at Mick got very personal. having heartburn with how the whole debacle was handled is not the issue. Personnally attacking someone because he isn't your choice and you can hide behind a keyboard while doing it is what I think he was trying to point out.

I also agree with your statement that if we get a winner people will come.I hope it continues, lastnight was fun.
 
My biggest hope is that we don't have a big dropoff next year. I definitely think we're on the right track, but with so many youngsters next year, it's going to be hard to compete at the same level that we are this year. The fans need to be ready for that. But after next season, I see no reason as to why we won't be a top 15 team.
Will be fine next year. Mick is building a winning culture. The National guys are picking up on this and so are recruits. In any sport there is always up's and downs I think we are positioned to have a lot more ups then downs.
 
My biggest hope is that we don't have a big dropoff next year. I definitely think we're on the right track, but with so many youngsters next year, it's going to be hard to compete at the same level that we are this year. The fans need to be ready for that. But after next season, I see no reason as to why we won't be a top 15 team.

I agree we will be young next year and have a couple of growing pains but if you actually think about it Louisville will be gone and Uconn will lose Napier and that makes them young and then Memphis they will lose Dixon and Jackson so if you really think about it we could compete for the AAC title again next year.
 
Lets enjoy this year. Also we graduated the starting point guard(CW)and the hardworking glue guy (JP) last year. This was thought to possibly be a step back year and look where we are right now. Yes replacing the 3 hard working, respected, and beloved seniors will be hard but lets enjoy the ride.

So because I'm looking at our squad next year, I'm not enjoying this year? This is a forum, where we talk about everything UC related. If someone had news about a 2016 recruit I'd love to hear it. I get your point about this year's team compared to last's though. Never would've guessed we'd be in this position. All I'm saying is when this fantastic season is over, I hope the fans aren't expecting a #7 ranking by our name next year.
 
So because I'm looking at our squad next year, I'm not enjoying this year? This is a forum, where we talk about everything UC related. If someone had news about a 2016 recruit I'd love to hear it. I get your point about this year's team compared to last's though. Never would've guessed we'd be in this position. All I'm saying is when this fantastic season is over, I hope the fans aren't expecting a #7 ranking by our name next year.
Didn't say that man. Was just saying how this year was also a potential step back. Sorry I missed the memo how when talking we cannot disagree with you. chill
 
Didn't say that man. Was just saying how this year was also a potential step back. Sorry I missed the memo how when talking we cannot disagree with you. chill

When did I say we couldn't disagree? It just sounded like you were dismissing my topic because we should just enjoy this year and not worry about anything else.

I just want to get back on topic; not looking to fight or anything.
 
I think you're putting way too much value in Ellis. He was okay, at best. Young, but you have no idea how good he'd have been. It sounds like you're saying he'd be a great contributor right now, and there's just no way of knowing that.

I agree with the fact that our image is improving, but the Crosstown Brawl sure didn't help. I think a lot of outsiders still see us as "thugs", but not nearly as many as there used to be.

you missed the point it dont matter how good he is hes talking about how cronin is getting things done and doing it the right way no shortcuts.
 
My biggest hope is that we don't have a big dropoff next year. I definitely think we're on the right track, but with so many youngsters next year, it's going to be hard to compete at the same level that we are this year. The fans need to be ready for that. But after next season, I see no reason as to why we won't be a top 15 team.

i agree but thats college basketball we are bound to drop off and we will be young as hell but we will be talented and it will be a team that gets better as the year goes on but lets not dismiss how special this team is guys were bound to have some kind of drop off but we are going to be loaded with talent i think this freshman class when they are juniors will be a special team
 
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