2014 Spring Recruiting

[coachpipe]

My apologies bro...

So what's you assessment of Cobb then? I was aware that you didn't come out and say that Cobb would be the starting two, but for the sake or the general argument I was confused why he can't be the back-up pg when many on here seem to think it's a no-brainer he would start at the two spot. So in your opinion why would it be too much to ask him to play back-up pg? I really think if he can it will open up Mick to start both Caupain and Guyn as opposed to platooning them again and likely using Caupain off the bench again.

to me. The fact he scored 21 at kansas as a freshmen shows hes more than capable of backup PG minutes if not more. But ultimately thats up to mick to decide and how well he plays D

But on that same note, I generally have more optimism about the season and players before the year than I actually do during the season

 

[david aka the TYZ]

Like how im now defending Cobb as the starting 2 even though I never said that? Hmmm...and as for your point on Mason, read my posts over 20 pages ago. Its the exact same thing...maybe some of us already comprehended it.

Exactly like that actually, now you doomed to defend Cobb till he graduates.

And I sense some anger towards me, but I like to think I'm one of the sane ones on here so not sure where that's coming from. As for the point on Mason, I realize others made essentially the same argument about him earlier. I wasn't claiming to have thought of it myself I was just thanking the poster who agreed with my point after it got blasted from some others.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

I was asking if backup PG was a lot to ask from Cobb. He is in his first year. First year players struggle to adjust to Mick's program, juco or not. We have a SR who started PG every game last year and Caupain, who played more minutes at PG last year than the now SR who started every single game there last year. But you assume I'm some idiot fan who is fascinated by youtube videos. I've actually posted my opinion on Cobb's shooting before too, so clearly you've never read a single post of mine (especially considering "your" new found thoughts on Mason too). So just please don't insult me with a preachy response based on an incorrect assumption.

So why mess with 1 of the 2 positions where we actually have the returning players? I'm for Troy playing 25+ minutes and even he and Guyn playing together at times . But I think Cobb is 3rd string PG, bench SG...so I wouldn't assume he's in the position to be the #2 PG this year..

Wow, should've read all the posts first. You seriously are over-reacting to my comment. If you think I lumped you in with Bulldog and Bearcatboy then I am sorry, it wasn't my intent. I never made any assumptions about you. After these responses though maybe I have. And no I don't remember all the 1000 posts on here and who said them and when. And I also didn't realize we weren't allowed to share an opinion on a player that had already been shared before. For the whole board I want the record to show that Jacobkdoyle noted his opinion before mine and I might just possibly be riding his coattails. To be honest I was just trying to bring the argument that several others had said earlier (aparently you included, credit where credit is due) that Mason might not be a good fit. Just trying to put a different spin on it and expound on it.

As for your opinion on Cobb, fair enough. I just hope we don't have to split time between Guyn and Caupain like last year. I, too think Guyn will start and just hate to think that means Caupain won't. Anytime I've said I think Guyn might start at the two I try to add that for it to happen it would mean Cobb would have to be the back-up pg. I have no idea how good Cobb will be. I'm concerned with the fact that he wasn't really sought after out of juco. At best I was hoping that's because most programs like four year guys to run point.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

to me. The fact he scored 21 at kansas as a freshmen shows hes more than capable of backup PG minutes if not more. But ultimately thats up to mick to decide and how well he plays D

But on that same note, I generally have more optimism about the season and players before the year than I actually do during the season

That's a stat that can't be ignored. I honestly haven't looked at his stats as a whole. Based on other posts I seem to remember he shot the three at a pretty good clip. Honestly though being able to score has no impact on whether or not you can run the point. Maybe that's why people are assuming he will be a shooting guard.

My biggest question on him is can he play defense? That will dictate more than anything where and how much he plays.

 

[coachpipe]

That's a stat that can't be ignored. I honestly haven't looked at his stats as a whole. Based on other posts I seem to remember he shot the three at a pretty good clip. Honestly though being able to score has no impact on whether or not you can run the point. Maybe that's why people are assuming he will be a shooting guard.

My biggest question on him is can he play defense? That will dictate more than anything where and how much he plays.

Thats the key and basically all that matters

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Exactly like that actually, now you doomed to defend Cobb till he graduates.

And I sense some anger towards me, but I like to think I'm one of the sane ones on here so not sure where that's coming from. As for the point on Mason, I realize others made essentially the same argument about him earlier. I wasn't claiming to have thought of it myself I was just thinking the poster who agreed with my point after it got blasted from some others.

I just know you've mentioned the quality of the board before (mostly about bulldog probably) but maybe you need to give the people on here more credit for opinions in general. I know you know your stuff but that tone came across as me (and others) being clueless about the situation with Cobb and in need of an explanation. You didn't respect my opinion enough to look back a few posts to see what I was saying, or just ask, or anything. I was actually coming from a completely different point of view, but you assumed. But it's nothing against you. Just seemed disrespectful. But I've moved on.

For the basketball...
I don't consider 1st or 2nd team PG or SF to be up for grabs for any newcomers. The guys there last year are still here. Simple as that. I'd like Caupain to come off the bench also bc he is used to it, and hh can come in for either starter. I expect Cobb to be instant offense/shots when he comes off the bench. So we don't need KJ on the bench as the same thing. Mick has always had a strong scoring guard. Time to groom Johnson for that spot going forward and give him the starter title imo. Mick stays pretty true to the depth chart usually in his substitutions. We already have 7 new players and 5 new big guys, so why mess with either of the 2 spots that are already 2 deep? It doesn't seem fair to Cobb to put that assignment on him his first year. Spot minutes? Sure. True backup? Why? He can succeed if he adjusts this year by focusing on his defensive assignmets and taking all open looks in the minutes given.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

I just know you've mentioned the quality of the board before (mostly about bulldog probably) but maybe you need to give the people on here more credit for opinions in general. I know you know your stuff but that tone came across as me (and others) being clueless about the situation with Cobb and in need of an explanation. You didn't respect my opinion enough to look back a few posts to see what I was saying, or just ask, or anything. I was actually coming from a completely different point of view, but you assumed. But it's nothing against you. Just seemed disrespectful. But I've moved on.

For the basketball...
I don't consider 1st or 2nd team PG or SF to be up for grabs for any newcomers. The guys there last year are still here. Simple as that. I'd like Caupain to come off the bench also bc he is used to it, and hh can come in for either starter. I expect Cobb to be instant offense/shots when he comes off the bench. So we don't need KJ on the bench as the same thing. Mick has always had a strong scoring guard. Time to groom Johnson for that spot going forward and give him the starter title imo. Mick stays pretty true to the depth chart usually in his substitutions. We already have 7 new players and 5 new big guys, so why mess with either of the 2 spots that are already 2 deep? It doesn't seem fair to Cobb to put that assignment on him his first year. Spot minutes? Sure. True backup? Why? He can succeed if he adjusts this year by focusing on his defensive assignmets and taking all open looks in the minutes given.

I've done my best to not talk about my opinion on the quality of the board. I'm 95% certain I haven't talked about it but if I had then it is what it is. Maybe you're lumping me in with other people. As far as tone, I think you read to much into that, I didn't mean to say it with a tone, I was genuinely curious as to why you didn't think Cobb could play back-up pg. I am guilty of responding to you and bringing in others opinions on Cobb which I can see why you would assume I lumped in with you. To be honest though logic told me if you didn't think he could play back-up pg that he wouldn't be good enough to start. So it didn't occur to me not to respond how I did. One last thing as far as giving credit for opinions, unless I'm directly responding to something I'm not going to try to back-read hundreds of posts to give credit to those who either share my opinion or given the opinion already. I don't even aways remember what I said on here a few days ago and honestly don't even remember the actual post in question other than you saying it was asking a lot to ask of Cobb and I wondered why.

I will move on as well as I hate coming on here and arguing about such things. And lord knows no one else wants to read it. I think we're both huffing and puffing over nothing. The truth is there are some new opinions on this board that have made us longtimers start to question why we still come on here everyday and I don't want to be lumped in with them so I don't blame you if you don't want to either.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

I just know you've mentioned the quality of the board before (mostly about bulldog probably) but maybe you need to give the people on here more credit for opinions in general. I know you know your stuff but that tone came across as me (and others) being clueless about the situation with Cobb and in need of an explanation. You didn't respect my opinion enough to look back a few posts to see what I was saying, or just ask, or anything. I was actually coming from a completely different point of view, but you assumed. But it's nothing against you. Just seemed disrespectful. But I've moved on.

For the basketball...
I don't consider 1st or 2nd team PG or SF to be up for grabs for any newcomers. The guys there last year are still here. Simple as that. I'd like Caupain to come off the bench also bc he is used to it, and hh can come in for either starter. I expect Cobb to be instant offense/shots when he comes off the bench. So we don't need KJ on the bench as the same thing. Mick has always had a strong scoring guard. Time to groom Johnson for that spot going forward and give him the starter title imo. Mick stays pretty true to the depth chart usually in his substitutions. We already have 7 new players and 5 new big guys, so why mess with either of the 2 spots that are already 2 deep? It doesn't seem fair to Cobb to put that assignment on him his first year. Spot minutes? Sure. True backup? Why? He can succeed if he adjusts this year by focusing on his defensive assignmets and taking all open looks in the minutes given.

I can agree to this. I actually did contemplate that having KJ and Cobb coming off the bench might be redundant as far as they both might be better suited as quick offense off the bench and Mick does like to use his second team as a new whole team as his first sometimes (if I worded that to make sense). That's why I think he kept Caupain in with the second team last year so he could be more offensively minded when SK was off the floor. To the second point on not asking too much of the newcomers that's kind of why I really think unless Ellis really impresses then he might want to start Caupain, Guyn, Thomas and Sanders. Go with experience on the floor. The downfall to that is your second team will be all newbies if they're on the floor together. From that standpoint I could agree that it would make sense to keep Caupain (or Guyn) as the back-up pg and let KJ start or Cobb if he beats him out. As far as asking the newcomer Cobb to be back-up pg, we asked a 17 year-old freshman to be back-up pg last year and it worked out ok, most even wanted him starting and some from day one.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I did think I was being lumped into a certain group...and I think that panic caused a strong reaction. So I do apologize for overreacting. I also understand about not sorting through posts to remember people's thoughts on things, so just ask next time. I'm on here often enough (not sure how I used to get through a work week without this site).

 

[waterhead]

We have 5 returning players with experience. Who is going to be the leader on the court? I am ready for that guy to be Caupain...he is exciteable/passionate, he controls the offense, he's cool in the clutch, he's a winner, and he's one of our best players. I don't see Sanders, Guyn, Thomas, or Johnson as the leader types...of course Johnson is young.

This is why I want Troy to start at the PG. I don't care if Guyn starts at the 2 and we use Johnson or Cobb for a scoring punch...but I want Caupain leading this team. I want the other players to feed off of him.

 

[Bearcatboy]

We have 5 returning players with experience. Who is going to be the leader on the court? I am ready for that guy to be Caupain...he is exciteable/passionate, he controls the offense, he's cool in the clutch, he's a winner, and he's one of our best players. I don't see Sanders, Guyn, Thomas, or Johnson as the leader types...of course Johnson is young.

This is why I want Troy to start at the PG. I don't care if Guyn starts at the 2 and we use Johnson or Cobb for a scoring punch...but I want Caupain leading this team. I want the other players to feed off of him.

Thomas is the leader as of now

"I saw Shaq walking with KJ, Troy, and Jermaine Sanders last week and I noticed how the group was focused toward Shaq. When you look at a group of people, you can often tell who the leader or most respected person is, and in this case it was clearly Mr. Thomas."
Per down the drive

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Thomas is the leader as of now

"I saw Shaq walking with KJ, Troy, and Jermaine Sanders last week and I noticed how the group was focused toward Shaq. When you look at a group of people, you can often tell who the leader or most respected person is, and in this case it was clearly Mr. Thomas."
Per down the drive

Those guys are clueless. Absolutely absurd thing for those guys to write about.

 

[Chad Brendel]

Thomas is the leader as of now

"I saw Shaq walking with KJ, Troy, and Jermaine Sanders last week and I noticed how the group was focused toward Shaq. When you look at a group of people, you can often tell who the leader or most respected person is, and in this case it was clearly Mr. Thomas."
Per down the drive

Maybe one of the dumbest things I've ever seen written for public consumption...

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Thomas is the leader as of now

"I saw Shaq walking with KJ, Troy, and Jermaine Sanders last week and I noticed how the group was focused toward Shaq. When you look at a group of people, you can often tell who the leader or most respected person is, and in this case it was clearly Mr. Thomas."
Per down the drive

Lol. That's incredible. What's down the drive? Is that where bulldog went?

 

[Bearcatboy]

Never mind lol

 

[bearcat2321]

Never mind lol

Down the drive isn't credible?

 

[JasonS]

Down the drive isn't credible?

I don't pay any attention to that web site. They tend to float things out there as fact just to get people to visit the site. There is a lot of conjecture at best on their site.

 

[waterhead]

Thomas is the leader as of now

"I saw Shaq walking with KJ, Troy, and Jermaine Sanders last week and I noticed how the group was focused toward Shaq. When you look at a group of people, you can often tell who the leader or most respected person is, and in this case it was clearly Mr. Thomas."
Per down the drive

Right...so since that piece of insight from DTD is meaningless...who do we see ON THE COURT gathering all the team members together, telling guys to calm down, telling guys to step it up, telling guys where to be etc? Guyn and Sanders are not outspoken and neither is Thomas for that matter.

Might as well be Troy IMO.

 

[Bearcatboy]

Right...so since that piece of insight from DTD is meaningless...who do we see ON THE COURT gathering all the team members together, telling guys to calm down, telling guys to step it up, telling guys where to be etc? Guyn and Sanders are not outspoken and neither is Thomas for that matter.

Might as well be Troy IMO.

IMO this year Thomas is going to make a big jump in playing time, scoring and being a leader. Mick will let him know its his team and take control of it and we will go as he does. I also think Sanders and Guyn will be there as leaders but not as much as Thomas.

 

[waterhead]

Maybe one of the dumbest things I've ever seen written for public consumption...

Yah...I remember when I read that for the first time thinking..."are you serious with this?"

Thomas could have been performing magic tricks for all we know...LOL!