2014 Spring Recruiting

[Bulldog01]

Leave only 2 scholarships for 2015?

Yeap, we a be returning all of our top players. And he'll more than likely redshirt so you still a have 3freshman. Why not sit back and learn now? I like idea of us bring older and stronger than mostly every team, so I'll redshirt somebody every year.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Yeap, we a be returning all of our top players. And he'll more than likely redshirt so you still a have 3freshman. Why not sit back and learn now? I like idea of us bring older and stronger than mostly every team, so I'll redshirt somebody every year.

But we have waaaay better 2015 options. What players are even left out there? I'd rather get Alston and Beaaley for example, than 1 of those guys and a random 2014 redshirt wing.

 

[BearcatNation54]

We're not gonna get Mason, he already has a final 3

 

[Bulldog01]

But we have waaaay better 2015 options. What players are even left out there? I'd rather get Alston and Beaaley for example, than 1 of those guys and a random 2014 redshirt wing.

don't know. I know its a 2* 6'7 shooter in Iowa unsigned to play big time basketball.

 

[JackBauer151]

don't know. I know its a 2* 6'7 shooter in Iowa unsigned to play big time basketball.

And you would take that over a top 100 prospect that they are currently recruiting just so you could redshirt him so he would be in the 2015 class anyway. Hard to argue with that logic. (Note Extreme Sarcasm)

 

[Bearcatboy]

We're not gonna get Mason, he already has a final 3

NO HE DOESN'T every one is still involved!

 

[coachpipe]

Im going to go out on a limb here, same limb that I was on about Justin Martin and say we wont get Mason. Just a hunch, But I dont think Mick will agree to his "demands" or Mason will want to accept a role of not playing 35 minutes a game and shoot the ball over 600 times during the season.

Other than the first list, which was about 3 weeks ago, we havent been mentioned by him or he hasnt been mentioned by cronin. Cronin hasnt gone and visited him and he has not come to visit us. Could things change? sure. Do I expect them to? nope. Just my personal take on the situation. I could be wrong, but thats just my hunch

 

[Bulldog01]

And you would take that over a top 100 prospect that they are currently recruiting just so you could redshirt him so he would be in the 2015 class anyway. Hard to argue with that logic. (Note Extreme Sarcasm)

I'll take wing this year and the top 2 best available next that wants to come here. If were working with full roster every year a redshirt wouldn't hurt our depth. I want more academic all Americans. Unless your getting top 40 rank player, players are pretty much on same level.

 

[HoosierCat]

We need Mason more than you guys believe. Who do we have that can create his own shot? Who takes last shot? Who makes big bucket when we need it? Our tip returning player average 6pts and you guys don't want best scorer in college? We just lost our top 4 players in one season. We need all the help we can get.

Troy will most likely be doing these things for the Cats next year.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

All the jucos Mick has had have been brought in to start because they have experience but who says that KJ is going to start? IMO Mason would def be brought here to start.

I never said KJ would start and I already said that if Mason were brought here it would be to start. He would not go anywhere where he wouldn't start. To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if Guyn starts at the 2 next year, assuming Cobb can play pg behind Caupain.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I never said KJ would start and I already said that if Mason were brought here it would be to start. He would not go anywhere where he wouldn't start. To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if Guyn starts at the 2 next year, assuming Cobb can play pg behind Caupain.

That is asking a lot of Cobb.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

He can't win by himself and we have the other players to help him win the title. Do you think UCONN thought they could win last year?

If he were as good as some people are making him out to be I think his talent alone would've been enough to make his team win more than 7 games at their level of competition.

As far as UConn is concerned, yeah I do think they thought that. Didn't in your previous post you just argue that there are no rebuilding years and you play for title if you field a team of five players? What do you think UConn went into the season thinking? The had a very good trio, Napier came back to play in the postseason since they couldn't the year before.

And based on this comment you are saying that Mason is the player that will solidify this team to make a title run. Do you really think that? My original argument was that I don't think Mason will take us to the next level and therefore I don't bring him in as I would rather the other good talent we have be able to play and develop. If that happens next year then I think we can be good next year and will be primed for a really good team in 2015-16. If Mason comes in and KJ and Mormon don't see the floor much then the team won't be as good the following year. I do get the argument that you don't sacrifice a year for a future year and it is valid, but again I don't think Mason is that player that gives us a legitimate top 10 team. I just don't.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

Gotta go with the TYZ on this one because he is making the most sense and putting together the most coherent and well thought out argument. You don't just bring in any kid who is capable of scoring a lot of points...there are lots of things to consider. Team chemistry being one of the biggest. Give me 5 solid starters with chemistry over 4 solid starters and one ball hog (who the other 4 aren't on the same page with).

Not saying this is what would happen with Mason...but based on what I have read...it's certainly not out of the question.

Thank you, that was my original point. Glad someone could comprehend it. I hate how you make a statement and it gets twisted to where you're defending a position you never even said in the first place.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

We need Mason more than you guys believe. Who do we have that can create his own shot? Who takes last shot? Who makes big bucket when we need it? Our tip returning player average 6pts and you guys don't want best scorer in college? We just lost our top 4 players in one season. We need all the help we can get.

I know you're banned now and can't respond (and no, I'm not trying to be smart), but there-in lies part of difference I see in your philosophy in basketball and others. Before I say what I'm going to say I will preface it with yes there are times where you need to be able to create your own shot and yes you do need that ability on your team when it becomes necessary. But to my point, Mick doesn't want his plyers creating their own shots. He wants to play team ball. He wants players that pass to the open shooter or to work the ball inside. Mick wants high-percentage shots, not one-on-one basketball.
The reason some teams loaded with talent never seem to win is they don't play team ball. And the reason a senior-laden mid-major can be deadly. Team ball, fundamentals and chemistry have a lot more to do with winning than the ability to break down a defender with a dribble a dunk on them. Especially in college where it's easy to just have a help defender waiting.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

That is asking a lot of Cobb.

From what I've read isn't he listed as a pg? So he's good enough to start at the 2, but not good enough to play back-up pg? We all want Caupain to start and play upwards of 30 minutes a game. If he can do that then Cobb can be his back-up and also be used at the 2 if need be. I know we are hyping up Cobb on here because he seems to shoot lights out on some youtube videos, but I think if he were as good as some want to make him out to be then he would have had more offers than he did. I don't mean to put him down and I hope he is great and does great things here but lets be realistic on how and why he came here.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

From what I've read isn't he listed as a pg? So he's good enough to start at the 2, but not good enough to play back-up pg? We all want Caupain to start and play upwards of 30 minutes a game. If he can do that then Cobb can be his back-up and also be used at the 2 if need be. I know we are hyping up Cobb on here because he seems to shoot lights out on some youtube videos, but I think if he were as good as some want to make him out to be then he would have had more offers than he did. I don't mean to put him down and I hope he is great and does great things here but lets be realistic on how and why he came here.

You need to know who youre responding to...I dont think Cobb or Caupain will start. I think Caupain backs up Guyn and Cobb backs up KJ, and thats my opinion...your response isnt based on that way of thinking at all.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Im not sayig you have to agree with me, but that response made no sense based on my point of view...and you were responding to me...?

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Thank you, that was my original point. Glad someone could comprehend it. I hate how you make a statement and it gets twisted to where you're defending a position you never even said in the first place.

Like how im now defending Cobb as the starting 2 even though I never said that? Hmmm...and as for your point on Mason, read my posts over 20 pages ago. Its the exact same thing...maybe some of us already comprehended it.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I was asking if backup PG was a lot to ask from Cobb. He is in his first year. First year players struggle to adjust to Mick's program, juco or not. We have a SR who started PG every game last year and Caupain, who played more minutes at PG last year than the now SR who started every single game there last year. But you assume I'm some idiot fan who is fascinated by youtube videos. I've actually posted my opinion on Cobb's shooting before too, so clearly you've never read a single post of mine (especially considering "your" new found thoughts on Mason too). So just please don't insult me with a preachy response based on an incorrect assumption.

So why mess with 1 of the 2 positions where we actually have the returning players? I'm for Troy playing 25+ minutes and even he and Guyn playing together at times . But I think Cobb is 3rd string PG, bench SG...so I wouldn't assume he's in the position to be the #2 PG this year..

 

[david aka the TYZ]

You need to know who youre responding to...I dont think Cobb or Caupain will start. I think Caupain backs up Guyn and Cobb backs up KJ, and thats my opinion...your response isnt based on that way of thinking at all.

Im not sayig you have to agree with me, but that response made no sense based on my point of view...and you were responding to me...?

My apologies bro...

So what's you assessment of Cobb then? I was aware that you didn't come out and say that Cobb would be the starting two, but for the sake or the general argument I was confused why he can't be the back-up pg when many on here seem to think it's a no-brainer he would start at the two spot. So in your opinion why would it be too much to ask him to play back-up pg? I really think if he can it will open up Mick to start both Caupain and Guyn as opposed to platooning them again and likely using Caupain off the bench again.