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VS Seton Hall - Must win IMO. They have been good but at home we need to win. Two bubble teams battling it out.

I expect UC wins by 7

VS Louisville - Tough one here. I really like us verse U of L at the Shoe. Crowd will be hyped.

I think UC by 3

@USF - Classic trap game. I just dont know. I think we are better.

I think UC by 2

VS Marq - They looked so good. I am glad we get another shot at them.

Marquette by 6

@ Nova - I think they will mail it in.

UC by 10

I think we go 4-1 and end 22-9 (12-6 in the Big East) and RPI around 65.

5 seed in Big East.

I will say I could see us losing 3 games
 
I don't see how you can honestly think we go 4-1. It may happen but it easily may not. UC has not played consistently against BE teams all year and for some reason I don't see it happening just bc its the end of the year. I don't see us beating UL and don't see us beating Marquette. So in a perfect world I hope we go 3-2 but the other games I see all being close and they could go either way which is an unsettling thought.
 
I say we end up 3-2 as well. I think we lose one of the ones we "should win" and steal one from Marquette or Louisville. Unless they get on a run like the beginning of the Big East schedule, this team is too tough to predict.
 
Does Seton Hall qualify as a game we "should win"? They had a recent 6 game slide but appear to have rebounded rather nicely. Their non-conference is stronger than ours although it's not too impressive and they've got some nice wins in the BEast so far. Seton Hall doesn't really have any bad loses on their resume which is what I think gives them the edge over us as far as resume goes.

It being a home game we'll be favored, but this game is a toss up. SHU has the more impressive resume, so it's tough to say it's a game that we should win.
 
I guess I misspoke. They are certainly a good team but if we have another bubble team at home in a must win situation, yeah I would say we should win Saturday.
 
UC's struggles have coincided with Sean Kilpatrick's struggles. Last night was the first time he reached 20 points since the Connecticut game. If he gets right, UC has a legitimate scorer they badly need.
 
UC's struggles have coincided with Sean Kilpatrick's struggles. Last night was the first time he reached 20 points since the Connecticut game. If he gets right, UC has a legitimate scorer they badly need.

Also, he finally looked like his groin and hip injuries are getting better. I really think those injuries have a lot to do with his scoring struggles. It is hard to shoot accurately off of one good leg.
 
I could see UC potentially losing every remaining game on the schedule... Utoh!

I guess its time to see what this team is made of... they have several games they should win.
 
I could see UC potentially losing every remaining game on the schedule... Utoh!

I guess its time to see what this team is made of... they have several games they should win.

Amen! Same feeling. These last 5 games will literally tell us if they are for real or an epic fail.
 
Seton Hall / South Florida

I think these teams are similar to us and very evenly matched. Perhaps we match up with USF better but that game being away negates that a little. Those two are going to be dog fights but we gotta win them and Villanova.

If we get 1 against UL or Marquette, that's obivously great but 3 still keeps the hopes alive, and if we only get 3 but win a game or two in the Big East tournament, that could do it.

Whoever said it's going to be a nail biter to the end is exactly right. I'd love to knock out the last 5 and we'll all be rooting for it but based on what we've seen, that's unlikely.
 
I think these teams are similar to us and very evenly matched. Perhaps we match up with USF better but that game being away negates that a little. Those two are going to be dog fights but we gotta win them and Villanova.

If we get 1 against UL or Marquette, that's obivously great but 3 still keeps the hopes alive, and if we only get 3 but win a game or two in the Big East tournament, that could do it.

Whoever said it's going to be a nail biter to the end is exactly right. I'd love to knock out the last 5 and we'll all be rooting for it but based on what we've seen, that's unlikely.

3 wins and this team is in the tourney without question. 2 wins and we would need a good showing in the Big East tourney.
 
3 wins and this team is in the tourney without question. 2 wins and we would need a good showing in the Big East tourney.

I have been somewhat of an RPI guru for the last 15 years or so. I have learned through the years that if your RPI number is over 60 you have a very slim chance of getting an at large berth, only about 2% of the at large berths have been given to teams with RPI's over 60 the last 15 years. UC's RPI is 90, it is going to take more than 3 wins to move it into the 50's. Should the Bearcats win only 3 of 5 they will need to make it to the Big East Tourney championship game to move the RPI into the 50's.
 
I have been somewhat of an RPI guru for the last 15 years or so. I have learned through the years that if your RPI number is over 60 you have a very slim chance of getting an at large berth, only about 2% of the at large berths have been given to teams with RPI's over 60 the last 15 years. UC's RPI is 90, it is going to take more than 3 wins to move it into the 50's. Should the Bearcats win only 3 of 5 they will need to make it to the Big East Tourney championship game to move the RPI into the 50's.

RPI is a flawed system and is one that is no longer used by the selection committee. KenPon and Sagarin have more applicable ranking systems and always have. Look at those numbers and you will see the discrepancy. Also look at some of the teams in front of UC in the RPI and that will show you all you need to know about how worthless it is.
 
RPI is a flawed system and is one that is no longer used by the selection committee.

While it may be flawed, it is still used by the committee. No need to make things up. I saw on twitter that they are starting to use some of the other computer systems, too, though. But, SOS used is from the RPI system. (For examle: OOC SOS, overall SOS, wins vs. top 25/50/100 are all from RPI)
 
While it may be flawed, it is still used by the committee. No need to make things up. I saw on twitter that they are starting to use some of the other computer systems, too, though. But, SOS used is from the RPI system. (For examle: OOC SOS, overall SOS, wins vs. top 25/50/100 are all from RPI)

bingo. Unfortunately, as much as they try to downplay the RPI as just another "tool" they are kidding themselves bc every time they mention SOS, top 50 wins, bad losses, and the entire nitty gritty sheet is broken down by RPI. The whole process is asinine


At least ESPN is really harping on how dumb it is this year and it needs to change

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/48853/ncaas-rpi-line-as-tired-as-ever
This week, the always-excellent Scott Van Pelt unleashed a rather cathartic rant about the essential uselessness of the Ratings Percentage Index, or RPI. The points Van Pelt made are the ones that must always be made about the RPI:

Van Pelt
Van Pelt
1. The RPI is older than the compact disc, and roughly as technologically advanced.

2. The RPI's methodology (who you beat plus who your opponents beat plus who your opponents' opponents beat) is really dumb. There are countless rankings systems that provide a much more realistic methodology, including the numbers generated and maintained by Ken Pomeroy and Jeff Sagarin, Ken Massey, the big brains that built the LRMC and, most recently, the ESPN Analytics Group's new Basketball Power Index, which is, after a mere week of existence, already five or six times better at evaluating bubble teams than is the RPI.

3. As much as the NCAA downplays the role of RPI in the committee's selection and seeding process, Scott says it can't help but be "subliminally impacted" by the metric, and he's exactly right: Every "nitty gritty" page the NCAA uses, every fact and figure and list of top 50 wins and strength of schedule and noncon SOS and you name it is broken down based on RPI. You can't sit in the selection room and not be affected by RPI. It underpins every consideration the committee makes, whether the committee always knows it or not.

4. Everyone knows this.

Van Pelt ended with a call to media action: "It's on us to be smarter in how we position it. It's on us not to throw up the resumes side-by-side with, 'here's their wins against the top 50.' It's their wins against the top 50 based on the RPI!"

This is the only part with which I disagree. When we do Bubble Watch every week, for example, or when the TV folks throw up said resumes side by side, we're all doing so because we're trying to figure out how the selection committee will decide. The committee plays by stupid, outdated rules, and if we're going to predict what the committee is going to do, we have to be stupid and outdated, too. The Watch has made this clear before.

This week, the NCAA convened its two-day mock selection committee, a chance for media members to learn more about the process, ask questions of the NCAA brass, and experience the unique form of blinding boredom that comes from debating whether or not Colorado State deserves another look. (It's also a chance for media members to live-tweet the proceedings, and thus inflict said blinding boredom on each of their poor, unsuspecting followers.) Each year, the NCAA gets questions from the assorted media. Each year, at least one of these questions concerns the RPI. And each year, the NCAA gives some form of the answer Rivals.com's Jeff Rabjohns tweeted Thursday: "RPI is a historical measurement of factual results of a season, is not predictive, therein lies the value." The NCAA's line is as such: The RPI isn't the only thing we use. It's just a tool. But we think it's a valuable, fact-based tool, and we're going to keep using it. The end.

This is incredibly frustrating! It's frustrating not only because the NCAA's "Process Principles for Selection, Seeding and Bracketing" do not explicitly require the committee to use the RPI. It's also frustrating because most of the metrics discussed above do much the same. The only difference? They do it better.

One day, in a brave new world, the NCAA will do what it should have done years ago. It will chuck the RPI. It will find a far more advanced, reality-based data point (I'm a company man, so I'll propose BPI, but KenPom would do just fine, too) to use as its preferred computer metric. Or maybe not. The point is, until the NCAA decides to join the rest of us in the 21st century, where we all point and laugh at the RPI (and anyone who thinks it's the best numerical metric by which to evaluate a basketball team), we're stuck. In the selection committee's world, it's 1980 forever.

The good news? If you never got to catch the Talking Heads in concert, you're in luck. The bad news? The best sporting event on Earth is being selected and seeded by luddites. Bummer, huh?
 
RPI is a flawed system and is one that is no longer used by the selection committee. KenPon and Sagarin have more applicable ranking systems and always have. Look at those numbers and you will see the discrepancy. Also look at some of the teams in front of UC in the RPI and that will show you all you need to know about how worthless it is.

You say it is flawed and no longer used by the selection committee but that does nothing to explain away the fact that teams with an RPI over 60 seldom (about 2%) get an at large bid. If the Cats RPI on selection Sunday is over 60 I am of the opinion the bubble will burst.
 
Bottom line is if we are on the fence we will be left out. Our OOC SOS gives them reason to leave us out. East out for them when talking about who didnt make it.

We get two huge games at home. U of L and Marquette.

I do not agree at all that we can go 3-2 and be safe. We would need a win or two in the Big East tourny.

We are such a rare case this year.

We need at least 4 wins (including big east tourny) to feel good. I really think we need to go 4-1 to end the Big East season.
 
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