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In this past game DDJ was -10 in plus minus. Newman was +5

They both played 30 minutes.

In 10 minutes of action Hensley was at -10. I don't recall who was on the floor with him. Everyone else was between -3 and +2

 

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In 10 minutes of action Hensley was at -10. I don't recall who was on the floor with him. Everyone else was between -3 and +2

It is one game so take it with a grain of salt. But Newman has been in the lead and Hensley and McGinnis have been at the bottom.

Starters Newman and MAW have been the best. Koval and Ody off the bench. Ado has been pretty low with Vik on the year.

Many of the rest of the guys have been in the same range. Not sure what to draw from this. But we have played a lot of games now so it starts to mean something over time. Plus minus is what I am referring to.

 

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Perhaps I am too harsh on Newman, he doesn't take a lot of shots. It would just be nice if teams had to respect his three point shooting ability. I know he shoots a similar percentage, but watching the games it's obvious teams aren't particularly worried about Newman (or MAW or Saunders) beating them from three.

From EvanMiya: On the season MAW is leading us in +/- at 146, with Newman just behind him at 145. Davenport is next with +113, Saunders +88, Koval +73, DDJ +71, Ado +59, Ody +56, Mason +45, Lakhin +37 and Hensley +15.

Considering DDJ leads us in minutes, there are probably quite a few who average a better +/- per minute. DDJ for example is +0.131 per minute, while Mason is +0.218 per minute.

I mentioned before the DDJ is the worst on the team in on-off offense splits pointed it out as a failure of the stats. He is also worst (by far) in on off-margin at -21.2 (Ado is next at -9.8) But I wonder if that's correct. I'm becoming more and more convinced that DDJ just is not a good (team) player. Yes, he creates iso offense, but he stalls out the offense, doesn't take good shots and doesn't pass it particularly well.

Hensley having a bad +/- doesn't surprise me, he is no better than Newman on offense, but far worse on defense and at doing the little things.

 

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Perhaps I am too harsh on Newman, he doesn't take a lot of shots. It would just be nice if teams had to respect his three point shooting ability. I know he shoots a similar percentage, but watching the games it's obvious teams aren't particularly worried about Newman (or MAW or Saunders) beating them from three.

From EvanMiya: On the season MAW is leading us in +/- at 146, with Newman just behind him at 145. Davenport is next with +113, Saunders +88, Koval +73, DDJ +71, Ado +59, Ody +56, Mason +45, Lakhin +37 and Hensley +15.

Considering DDJ leads us in minutes, there are probably quite a few who average a better +/- per minute. DDJ for example is +0.131 per minute, while Mason is +0.218 per minute.

I mentioned before the DDJ is the worst on the team in on-off offense splits pointed it out as a failure of the stats. He is also worst (by far) in on off-margin at -21.2 (Ado is next at -9.8) But I wonder if that's correct. I'm becoming more and more convinced that DDJ just is not a good (team) player. Yes, he creates iso offense, but he stalls out the offense, doesn't take good shots and doesn't pass it particularly well.

Hensley having a bad +/- doesn't surprise me, he is no better than Newman on offense, but far worse on defense and at doing the little things.

Well you mentioned DD has been stagnating things. I believe Ado does the same. But DD in the beginning of the year was not put in the role he is now and he was distributing better. I do not like the role he is in now with ISO Alpha. Newman obviously helps us (as well as MAW) because of a mixture of defense and offense. Ado is pretty much one sided and I don't think he is heads and tails better on D/rebounding than the rest. He is better at some things. But he is awful on offense. He's getting in the way basically.

DD should probably be put back in a non Alpha role where he shoots and assists at the same time. He's not a good enough shooter to focus the entire offense on. We have ISO'd him several times for last shots in a half and he continues to miss. Not blaming him...I am blaming the plan. We just don't get good production at all when we hold the ball for last shot and put it on DDJ.

 

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Well you mentioned DD has been stagnating things. I believe Ado does the same. But DD in the beginning of the year was not put in the role he is now and he was distributing better. I do not like the role he is in now with ISO Alpha. Newman obviously helps us (as well as MAW) because of a mixture of defense and offense. Ado is pretty much one sided and I don't think he is heads and tails better on D/rebounding than the rest. He is better at some things. But he is awful on offense. He's getting in the way basically.

DD should probably be put back in a non Alpha role where he shoots and assists at the same time. He's not a good enough shooter to focus the entire offense on. We have ISO'd him several times for last shots in a half and he continues to miss. Not blaming him...I am blaming the plan. We just don't get good production at all when we hold the ball for last shot and put it on DDJ.

I agree on Ado as well. I'd say there is a very good argument (based on advanced stats and what we see on the floor) that Koval should be getting more minutes or even starting.

By the stats, Ado is our best defensive big man, but our worst offensive big. Koval is our best offensive big man, third best on defense (Lakhin is second) and best overall (and it's not particularly close). For those curious about the other two Ody is second best on offense (and it is close with Koval) and worst on defense and Lakhin is third on offense (closer to Ado than to Ody/Koval) and second on defense.

Overall Adjusted team efficiency is pretty representative of the advanced stats. Adjusted means adjusted for the quality of players on the court with them both on their own team and the other team. Koval is second on the team at 22.0 (Newman is #1 at 22.6 and MAW #3 at 20.3), Ody is #6 with 16.1, Lahkin #7 15.2 and Ado #9 (in front of only Hensley and DDJ) with 12.3.

Koval stretches the floor and opens up driving lanes for the guards. Given that none of the bigs are good at finishing around the rim (except Ody sometimes), it would make the most sense to play Koval in a 5 out scheme and at least open up the lane for drivers.

Looking at advanced stats, the two bench players most deserving of more minutes are Koval and Mason and the two starters least deserving of their minutes are DDJ and Ado.

 

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I agree on Ado as well. I'd say there is a very good argument (based on advanced stats and what we see on the floor) that Koval should be getting more minutes or even starting.

By the stats, Ado is our best defensive big man, but our worst offensive big. Koval is our best offensive big man, third best on defense (Lakhin is second) and best overall (and it's not particularly close). For those curious about the other two Ody is second best on offense (and it is close with Koval) and worst on defense and Lakhin is third on offense (closer to Ado than to Ody/Koval) and second on defense.

Overall Adjusted team efficiency is pretty representative of the advanced stats. Adjusted means adjusted for the quality of players on the court with them both on their own team and the other team. Koval is second on the team at 22.0 (Newman is #1 at 22.6 and MAW #3 at 20.3), Ody is #6 with 16.1, Lahkin #7 15.2 and Ado #9 (in front of only Hensley and DDJ) with 12.3.

Koval stretches the floor and opens up driving lanes for the guards. Given that none of the bigs are good at finishing around the rim (except Ody sometimes), it would make the most sense to play Koval in a 5 out scheme and at least open up the lane for drivers.

Looking at advanced stats, the two bench players most deserving of more minutes are Koval and Mason and the two starters least deserving of their minutes are DDJ and Ado.

Based on all of this I would probably start Koval and reduce DDJ's role. DDJ is clearly a better basketball player than most of the others. He is just doing too much which limits his effectiveness. Plus I don't know what would happen to the good numbers MAW and Newman have if they didn't have JD and DD to take weight off their shoulders to score.

If they had to make more shots or plays it would probably backfire but who knows. Madsen is interesting but something is keeping him from cracking the major rotation with coach Wes and I would assume he has a good reason. He does get beat on D but they all do I guess.

We haven't shaken up the lineup all year (starters) so why not give it a try?

 

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Perhaps as you said moving DDJ back to PG at times. DDJ at PG with Madsen, Newman, Davenport and Koval would open lanes for him to drive and kick or score at the basket. He was better at distributing last year (though he according to the advanced stats he wasn't great offensively last year either).