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[waterhead]

Found this tidbit on how road wins are going to carry more value than in the past with the committee. Basically what is being said here is that a top 30 win at home is equal to a top 50 win on a neutral site and a top 75 road win. And so on down the line. In the past I think a top 50 win was a top 50 win whether at home or on the road. It also sounds like the committee will use more of a composite of several metrics to make these determinations. I think UC would have benefited with this last year.


Column 1: Home games against teams ranked 1-30, neutral games vs. top-50 teams, road games against top-75 teams

Column 2: Home games against teams ranked 31-75, neutral games vs. 51-100, road games vs. 76-135

Column 3: Home games against teams ranked 76-160, neutral games vs. 101-200, road games vs. 136-240

Column 4: Home games against teams ranked 161-351, neutral games vs. 201-351, road games vs. 241-351

I could see them putting something like a 50% weight on wins in column 1 followed by 25% on column 2. Then maybe 15% and 10% for the last two columns. So far we would have 3 wins in column 4 and 1 in column 3.

 

[waterhead]

Found this tidbit on how road wins are going to carry more value than in the past with the committee. Basically what is being said here is that a top 30 win at home is equal to a top 50 win on a neutral site and a top 75 road win. And so on down the line. In the past I think a top 50 win was a top 50 win whether at home or on the road. It also sounds like the committee will use more of a composite of several metrics to make these determinations. I think UC would have benefited with this last year.


Column 1: Home games against teams ranked 1-30, neutral games vs. top-50 teams, road games against top-75 teams

Column 2: Home games against teams ranked 31-75, neutral games vs. 51-100, road games vs. 76-135

Column 3: Home games against teams ranked 76-160, neutral games vs. 101-200, road games vs. 136-240

Column 4: Home games against teams ranked 161-351, neutral games vs. 201-351, road games vs. 241-351

This also still leaves a lot of wiggle room for the committee to make judgement calls. Obviously beating #1 should have more weight than beating #30. So the committee can go through and say "yah but"...and then move teams around like they want to.

I would probably prefer they just rank every team from 1 to 351. A road win against #1 is worth 100% of 351 points and a road win against team #351 is worth 1 point. Then assign a multiplier something like .85 to neutral games and .70 to home games. So a neutral win against #1 is worth 351 x .85...and a home win would be 351 x .70.

 

[mdchick]

This also still leaves a lot of wiggle room for the committee to make judgement calls. Obviously beating #1 should have more weight than beating #30. So the committee can go through and say "yah but"...and then move teams around like they want to.

I would probably prefer they just rank every team from 1 to 351. A road win against #1 is worth 100% of 351 points and a road win against team #351 is worth 1 point. Then assign a multiplier something like .85 to neutral games and .70 to home games. So a neutral win against #1 is worth 351 x .85...and a home win would be 351 x .70.

You just pretty much described kenpom and sagarin

 

[juckerrules]

AAC Test

I'm very interested to see how Wichita State does against Notre Dame (#13) in Maui. ND has been totally dominant so far (albeit against mostly weak competition, but they absolutely destroyed LSU)

 

[juckerrules]

Temple

Old Dominion, Auburn & Clemson all have only one loss.....all to Temple

 

[justinhub2003]

Smu is losing by 8 at halftime to northern Iowa who is..... not good

 

[jacobkdoyle]

UCF vs Nebraska

UConn vs Oregon

SMU vs Arizona

 

[juckerrules]

Smu is losing by 8 at halftime to northern Iowa who is..... not good

Disagree....ask NC State, who was good enough to beat #2 Arizona

 

[justinhub2003]

Disagree....ask NC State, who was good enough to beat #2 Arizona

It doesn’t work that way.

N.C. state won’t finish in the top 6 of the ACC. Arizona would. Arizona was worse for a night. Xavier will blow the doors off northern Iowa in their own gym in December.

Unless they win the conference tourney, uni is not a tourney team. There were god aweful last year and unless they made some drastic improvements, I’m sure they regress.

 

[justinhub2003]

Disagree....ask NC State, who was good enough to beat #2 Arizona

Also. The third best team in the American should beat the 2nd best team in the Missouri valley every single time.

 

[Garybearcat]

Also. The third best team in the American should beat the 2nd best team in the Missouri valley every single time.

But it’s ok if Arizona loses to a N.C. State because they had an off night. Your logic always leads to a pessimistic conclusion on the American conference.

 

[justinhub2003]

But it’s ok if Arizona loses to a N.C. State because they had an off night. Your logic always leads to a pessimistic conclusion on the American conference.

No.

I know it was an off night for SMU. They’d win 9 out of 10 against UNI

But this league has a perception problem. Losing to mid major teams up and down the league kills our mindshare as it does anything else.

If this leagues wants 4-5 bids they have to get non conference wins to change a perception that the league sucks. Us beating each other in conference doesn’t move the needle bc we don’t have the respect.

I had HUGE hopes for the AAC. Defended the before any games had been played but it’s hard to defend when Tulsa loses to Lamar and the Missouri valley is 2-0 against us.

 

[justinhub2003]

I’m loving that UCF is not losing even though they don’t have bj Taylor. Temple is playing well and SMU looks great against Zona. SMU is going to up and down all non conference because of how many new players they have. They will be a tough out in the AAC when they add mcmurray.

If teams like smu, temple, UCF and even Houston doesn’t snatch any top 50 wins in non conference then the only ones they have a chance for are at UC and Wichita states expense. That doesn’t get them in the tourney and again gets us underseeded in the tourney.

 

[cincyguy13]

Uconn looks decent. Oregon does look terrible though

 

[Garybearcat]

No.

I know it was an off night for SMU. They’d win 9 out of 10 against UNI

But this league has a perception problem. Losing to mid major teams up and down the league kills our mindshare as it does anything else.

If this leagues wants 4-5 bids they have to get non conference wins to change a perception that the league sucks. Us beating each other in conference doesn’t move the needle bc we don’t have the respect.

I had HUGE hopes for the AAC. Defended the before any games had been played but it’s hard to defend when Tulsa loses to Lamar and the Missouri valley is 2-0 against us.

SMU 36 Arizona 35 second half

 

[justinhub2003]

SMU 36 Arizona 35 second half

Them losing to UNI is a blessing in disguise.

Zona won’t struggle forever and adding that to your schedule instead of N.C. state Is huge win or lose

 

[justinhub2003]

If UConn and smu pulls off wins tonight along with UCF besting a power 5 team, this will be biggest non conference day for the AAC in multiple years.

 

[justinhub2003]

Uconn looks decent. Oregon does look terrible though

Oregon’s bad defense is one of the few teams that Kevin Ollie’s “pro style” offense works against. It’s iso one on one ball with zero movement. But Oregon can’t guard

 

[Garybearcat]

If UConn and smu pulls off wins tonight along with UCF besting a power 5 team, this will be biggest non conference day for the AAC in multiple years.

Temple has looked great also.

 

[cincyguy13]

Oregon’s bad defense is one of the few teams that Kevin Ollie’s “pro style” offense works against. It’s iso one on one ball with zero movement. But Oregon can’t guard

The game is a really ugly, sloppy game