Basketball

[TheLivingLegend]

UC's game looked bad.

The aftermath made Mick look like the man, but lets not forget where he has put his team. His team is not good right now. Is he able to get things turned around?

Our offensive woes have become unbelieveable. We have so much pressure to stop opponents because if they score over 60 points we are going to lose.

Why does Mick refuse to RUN? Its our ONLY option at this point.

Cash - could be the teams most inconsistent player. I'm very tempted to go with G from here out.

Dion - Played an avg game

Sk - Shooter? No no. Streaky shooter. He needs to find a way to get some easy buckets in order to get going deep.

Yancy - Played well. With little post precsence, he mangaed to score and rebound.

Parker - Really liked what I saw, took the ball to the bucket. With that being said, he looked rusty and probably played to many minutes.

Gaines - remains to have the worst hands in the history of hands. yikes.

Chek - Looked poor. Clear to me he has confident issues.

 

[Thegreatone]

Get ready Gaines. My boy better grow up fast.

 

[ready2go]

Get ready Gaines. My boy better grow up fast.

I'm a big fan of Gaines.

He looks unsure at points, but more PT will cure that. His intangibles have a big upside. The team can feed off his heart and hustle as they did for that stint in the first half against X

 

[Thegreatone]

I'm a big fan of Gaines.

He looks unsure at points, but more PT will cure that. His intangibles have a big upside. The team can feed off his heart and hustle as they did for that stint in the first half against X

OH MY GOD.....

We actually agree on something!

 

[ready2go]

OH MY GOD.....

We actually agree on something!

Mark this one down.

I like what Gaines can bring

 

[TheLivingLegend]

Im sorry but the bearcats dont need another player that is unable to score the ball on the court.

 

[ready2go]

Im sorry but the bearcats dont need another player that is unable to score the ball on the court.

They havent missed a beat in my opinion

The guy may not score but somehow when he was in against X, the team cut into X's lead. He's a presence that Yancy has failed to provide in 4 years, until he decided to put Freaze down gently

 

[Butterfly]

What Yancy brings is more important.
I like for instance, Justin Jackson, but if we had a whole team of him, we would have been looking up at Depaul's ass last year.
Yancy isn't full of attitude and charisma, but he is the best Forward we've had in a long time, and without him, we don't win a lot of the games in recent years we've taken from higher competition.

I sometimes think UC fans value effort over production.

 

[TheLongHaul]

What Yancy brings is more important.
I like for instance, Justin Jackson, but if we had a whole team of him, we would have been looking up at Depaul's ass last year.
Yancy isn't full of attitude and charisma, but he is the best Forward we've had in a long time, and without him, we don't win a lot of the games in recent years we've taken from higher competition.

I sometimes think UC fans value effort over production.

Agree completely. UC fans also over exaggerate a players skill set too. Jackson is a hard worker, but people think he is just 100% all the time and that isn't the case. He has given up so many rebounds this year out of laziness for boxing out. Not sure why things get so carried away with UC fans.

 

[ready2go]

What Yancy brings is more important.
I like for instance, Justin Jackson, but if we had a whole team of him, we would have been looking up at Depaul's ass last year.
Yancy isn't full of attitude and charisma, but he is the best Forward we've had in a long time, and without him, we don't win a lot of the games in recent years we've taken from higher competition.

I sometimes think UC fans value effort over production.[/QUOTE]

Tebow is not a good QB, but he has intangibles that win games

Kenyon came on the scene as a defensive guy

When gaines was in, he helped bring the team back in it. Guys feed off one another. You all want to complain about leadership, I think this guy can provide some

 

[ready2go]

Agree completely. UC fans also over exaggerate a players skill set too. Jackson is a hard worker, but people think he is just 100% all the time and that isn't the case. He has given up so many rebounds this year out of laziness for boxing out. Not sure why things get so carried away with UC fans.

You are so right, Jackson is not perfect. He does not run the floor 100% of the time. He does not box out 100% of the time. Name a guy who does?

The guy is an undersized forward and you want him to bang around with the big boys?? Here is a better idea, let him run and not have to bang around with the big boys

Please, coaching 101, put players in the best position to succeed

 

[Butterfly]

What Yancy brings is more important.
I like for instance, Justin Jackson, but if we had a whole team of him, we would have been looking up at Depaul's ass last year.
Yancy isn't full of attitude and charisma, but he is the best Forward we've had in a long time, and without him, we don't win a lot of the games in recent years we've taken from higher competition.

I sometimes think UC fans value effort over production.

Tebow is not a good QB, but he has intangibles that win games

Kenyon came on the scene as a defensive guy


When gaines was in, he helped bring the team back in it. Guys feed off one another. You all want to complain about leadership, I think this guy can provide some

I understand that argument, but honestly, Kenyon became what he was over time. Gaines may do the same, but right now, UC needs real contributions, not just the intangibles. Tebow's defense, keeps the game where he can win it. We need attitude too, but we need someone to be a consistant scorer and rebounder, and Yancy is the only one doing that. You think the game was bad? Take away the 18 points and 12 boards he had and that game is a massacre.

You're right in saying Gaines provided a spark. Earlier this year, he provided nothing but PF's though. His time may come, I just don't think putting our trust in him to pull this team through, is fair to him or us.

 

[ready2go]

I understand that argument, but honestly, Kenyon became what he was over time. Gaines may do the same, but right now, UC needs real contributions, not just the intangibles. Tebow's defense, keeps the game where he can win it. We need attitude too, but we need someone to be a consistant scorer and rebounder, and Yancy is the only one doing that. You think the game was bad? Take away the 18 points and 12 boards he had and that game is a massacre.

You're right in saying Gaines provided a spark. Earlier this year, he provided nothing but PF's though. His time may come, I just don't think putting our trust in him to pull this team through, is fair to him or us.

Fair enough

Guess we will have to see how things turn out

For me, its something about the way Gaines carrys himself. The man has swag and I'm interested to see how it will affect his teamates

 

[Butterfly]

As for Justin Jackson, he's too tall to be a small foward, he's not good enough offensively to be a small forward, he lacks the skill set to be a 4, he lacks the body mass to be an effective 4.
He's a work in progress. He's going to have to either be a better offensive threat and slash to the rim + be able to hit jumpers, ala Kevin Garnett, or get a lot bigger and work on scoring from the low block. Otherwise, I'm not sure what use there is in having him.

He's got tremendous athleticism and speed, if he could calm down and get into the game, he's actually got a decent stroke too.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

Tebow isnt a great QB??

Whose the best QB Ever then? Because he has clowned Elways numbers in the same amount of starts.

 

[Butterfly]

Tebow isnt a great QB??

Whose the best QB Ever then? Because he has clowned Elways numbers in the same amount of starts.

Tebow is an amazing athlete, but ask him to throw the ball further than 25 yards to a moving target, going laterally. Let me know how it turns out.
He's not a great quarterback and he likely never will be.
That said, his passing can improve over time, and he may become a good quarterback.

I give him this much, if you had told me in advance, that he would do what he has done, and that NFL teams would have problems adjusting to the option, I would have thought you completely nuts.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

Have you ever watch Tim Tebow? I have for his entire college and NFL career.

Out of the pocket, on the move Tebow makes very very accurate throws. He struggles in the pocket and horizontal throws.

To say that Tebow cannot throw, is not accurate and is more than likely a judgement with little or no validity.

Btw through the same amount of games, Tebow has A TON more passing yards than elway did.

 

[Butterfly]

Have you ever watch Tim Tebow? I have for his entire college and NFL career.

Out of the pocket, on the move Tebow makes very very accurate throws.

When his recievers are open. When he has to put it where his guy and his guy alone can make a play on it, and it's being tightly contested, he's not exactly great.
He opens things up with his feet. The defense has to keep containment and that makes him a danger, but if it's about accuracy, in contrast to other league level QB's, he's not even close.

He struggles in the pocket and horizontal throws.

If you have someone running lateral, as in the hypothetical I was talking about, that more often than not, is a horizontal throw.

To say that Tebow cannot throw..

To say he's on the expected level of an NFL QB, is just blatantly dishonest.
I have trouble thinking of multiple QBs at this level with his troubles, to be honest with you.

is not accurate and is more than likely a judgement with little or no validity.

Right, that's why every analyst, and even Elway himself...
You know what? If you really believe that, you're likely a homer.
He is a piss poor passer and if you don't believe me, watch Aaron Rodgers some time. As for yards, easy to get yards when you're basically a running back pretending to be a quarterback.
It makes the defense have to respect you, on two different fronts.

 

[ready2go]

Have you ever watch Tim Tebow? I have for his entire college and NFL career.

Out of the pocket, on the move Tebow makes very very accurate throws. He struggles in the pocket and horizontal throws.

To say that Tebow cannot throw, is not accurate and is more than likely a judgement with little or no validity.

Btw through the same amount of games, Tebow has A TON more passing yards than elway did.

He finds ways to win.

The guy is athletic, but his forte is to do what he can to win games and not help lose them. His team rallies around him.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

I never claimed Tebow could throw with Rodgers, not in the least. Tebow can throw the ball enough to be successful. Thats proven. I would love to see what he could do on a team that actaully had decent talent.

And btw, that same guy that "cant" throw... managed to throw ALL over UC. Talent makes players look good, Aaron Rodgers is AWESOME, but he has an AWESOME team.