Black Out the Red Out

[Bearcats Sports]

I have been hearing a lot of plans for students to protest Tuberville by trying to black out the homecoming red out. They have even made and sold black shirts that say "Anyone but tubs. Make Saturday's great again". What would you all make of this? Is it taking it too far? Obviously it will turn recruits off if they are attending or watching the game.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

I remember last year, walking to the Miami (Fl) game and there was a plane flying with a streamer that said, I flew 3,000 miles to say fire Al Golden, that is taking things pretty far.

 

[Bearcats Sports]

I remember last year, walking to the Miami (Fl) game and there was a plane flying that said, I flew 3,000 miles to say fire Al Golden, that is taking things pretty far.

hahaha that it is

 

[M64W]

I have been hearing a lot of plans for students to protest Tuberville by trying to black out the homecoming red out. They have even made and sold black shirts that say "Anyone but tubs. Make Saturday's great again". What would you all make of this? Is it taking it too far? Obviously it will turn recruits off if they are attending or watching the game.

Here is a bunch of kids, and adults also, that don't know their ars from a hole in the ground, calling for a new coach. What a joke! This entire country is turning into a pile of crap.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Here is a bunch of kids, and adults also, that don't know their ars from a hole in the ground, calling for a new coach. What a joke! This entire country is turning into a pile of crap.

You've still never mentioned why Tuberville still has your unwavering support.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I have been hearing a lot of plans for students to protest Tuberville by trying to black out the homecoming red out. They have even made and sold black shirts that say "Anyone but tubs. Make Saturday's great again". What would you all make of this? Is it taking it too far? Obviously it will turn recruits off if they are attending or watching the game.

I say go for it as long as their only point is that they aren't happy with the coach. If they're attending the game and acting appropriately, I don't see an issue with voicing their frustrations.

 

[M64W]

You've still never mentioned why Tuberville still has your unwavering support.

Let me say this to start with. I am sick of people saying absolutely stupid things about TT. As an example, I have been involved in athletics for 50 years, and I have never run into a coach at any level--peewee on up--that wants to lose. TT wants to win more than anyone, but people get on this site say he doesn't care, that he's a quitter, etc. That is so stupid it makes me sick. A coach is only as good as his players. Now we can argue about why he doesn't have better players. Why he hasn't recruited better. Then I have to read about Les Miles, or bringing Kelly back--some people are nuts. Hey, how about Charlie Strong--give me a break. Most of the students in the stands couldn't even tell you who the coach is--they couldn't pick him out of a lineup. How's that for starters? Where am I wrong so far?

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Let me say this to start with. I am sick of people saying absolutely stupid things about TT. As an example, I have been involved in athletics for 50 years, and I have never run into a coach at any level--peewee on up--that wants to lose. TT wants to win more than anyone, but people get on this site say he doesn't care, that he's a quitter, etc. That is so stupid it makes me sick. A coach is only as good as his players. Now we can argue about why he doesn't have better players. Why he hasn't recruited better. Then I have to read about Les Miles, or bringing Kelly back--some people are nuts. Hey, how about Charlie Strong--give me a break. Most of the students in the stands couldn't even tell you who the coach is--they couldn't pick him out of a lineup. How's that for starters? Where am I wrong so far?

I think those coaching suggestions are assuming we get into the Big XII. Once we find out for sure that no expansion is happening, I'm sure we'll start to come up with other names.

But your post still doesn't explain why you refuse to hold Tuberville accountable for getting blown out in all 3 of our AAC games so far. The students want accountability and won't stand by silently and accept becoming an AAC bottom feeder. I say more power to them, as long as they are conducting themselves properly during the game.

 

[GoCats88]

You've still never mentioned why Tuberville still has your unwavering support.

Right lol

 

[Bearcats Sports]

Let me say this to start with. I am sick of people saying absolutely stupid things about TT. As an example, I have been involved in athletics for 50 years, and I have never run into a coach at any level--peewee on up--that wants to lose. TT wants to win more than anyone, but people get on this site say he doesn't care, that he's a quitter, etc. That is so stupid it makes me sick. A coach is only as good as his players. Now we can argue about why he doesn't have better players. Why he hasn't recruited better. Then I have to read about Les Miles, or bringing Kelly back--some people are nuts. Hey, how about Charlie Strong--give me a break. Most of the students in the stands couldn't even tell you who the coach is--they couldn't pick him out of a lineup. How's that for starters? Where am I wrong so far?

If you watched the Uconn game idk how you could say TT wants to win. Our whole sideline looked like they had seen a ghost and were unenthusiastic, and pretty much gave up. Even Tony Pike said that he didn't see any sense of excitement on the sideline, while Moore sat alone not even trying to talk to his offense to come up with a strategy. TT also only took this job so his wife could live back at home, and stated that it would be where he retired. Also, why trash on the students? Thinking that they don't know who the coach is or not being able to pick him out in a crowd is "nuts". I'm not sitting here thinking Les, Kelly, or even Strong are in the mix for head coach, but you have to think we have to find someone better than TT. His recruiting is little to nothing, he can't win big games, he's 0-3 in the American this year, and has not won a bowl for us yet.... Why should he stay? His recruiting class this past year didn't even come in the top 5 of the AAC... the AAC. The longer he stays, the longer we have horrible recruiting classes, the longer we come in the middle of the pack in the aac standings, and the longer our team tries to find it's true identity.

 

[M64W]

I think those coaching suggestions are assuming we get into the Big XII. Once we find out for sure that no expansion is happening, I'm sure we'll start to come up with other names.

But your post still doesn't explain why you refuse to hold Tuberville accountable for getting blown out in all 3 of our AAC games so far. The students want accountability and won't stand by silently and accept becoming an AAC bottom feeder. I say more power to them, as long as they are conducting themselves properly during the game.

I would guess you support Colin K. also? Yea, it's okay to sit during the National Anthem as long as they conduct themselves okay. I bet if you went thru the student body ( like Water's World), they wouldn't even have a clue what conference we are in.

 

[Bearcats Sports]

I would guess you support Colin K. also? Yea, it's okay to sit during the National Anthem as long as they conduct themselves okay. I bet if you went thru the student body ( like Water's World), they wouldn't even have a clue what conference we are in.

No, no I do not support Colin. What in my response has you thinking that? In fact, what are you even trying to get at? Also, being one year out of college I watched the previous 4 years of UC football in the cheering section, and you are wrong. When's the last time you even talked to a student? I don't know how you can say you support this school while you look down so poorly on it's current students and soon to be alumni. I guess you will find out how many students know his name next Saturday when they are all chanting to fire him.

 

[Madman81]

1) No one intends to imply that TT literally doesn't care about winning. The comments about not caring are aimed at the idea that he, in his position, lacks the same passion/hunger/fire that we're used to seeing in stepping stone coaches. There's a motivation difference.

2) We are getting blown out of the water by our supposed peers and all signs point to the program taking an absolute nose dive since TT has been here. What exists to suggest otherwise?

3) Kaepernick deserves praise, but I suppose that would require one to look into the detail of the situation and actually listen rather than observe the surface and make a blanket judgment.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

1) No one intends to imply that TT literally doesn't care about winning. The comments about not caring are aimed at the idea that he, in his position, lacks the same passion/hunger/fire that we're used to seeing in stepping stone coaches. There's a motivation difference.

2) We are getting blown out of the water by our supposed peers and all signs point to the program taking an absolute nose dive since TT has been here. What exists to suggest otherwise?


This coupled with the fact there is no sense of urgency at all from TT. He said UC lost to a "Well coached UConn Team."

 

[M64W]

I surrender! It is a sad day for UC, if students come out in droves to protest TT. Some think this is funny. I have no idea what kind of job you have, but I would venture to say people don't protest, drag you thru the mud in the media

THE MAN IN THE ARENA
Excerpt from the speech "Citizenship In A Republic"
delivered at the Sorbonne, in Paris, France on 23 April, 1910
download PDF of complete speech

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
a, ridicule you in public...

 

[coachpipe]

Hes been here 4 years. What has he done? His recruiting classes have been at the bottom of the conference, which would be fine if the players he got actually performed. but they havent at all. He is getting blown out by teams we are supposed to be better than. The second half scoring in the games weve lost this year has been something like 60-6. The football program has been on a downward trend the last 4 years. If you cant see that, maybe those eyes of yours need some new glasses. But fans being upset and voicing themselves and their frustration to say weve had enough are the problem? That sounds like something someone else said....wait a minute....Tubs is that you?

Judge me all you want, say im the problem, say whatever you want. But if I go to this game. Im wearing black.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I would guess you support Colin K. also? Yea, it's okay to sit during the National Anthem as long as they conduct themselves okay. I bet if you went thru the student body ( like Water's World), they wouldn't even have a clue what conference we are in.

I support Colin K for sure. I also support all the fans who want to voice their opinions. Sports at the College and Pro level thrive because fans are passionate and interested. The fact that you do not agree with them is the life blood of Sports talk radio. Sports are on the air 24/7. If you think they can exist just talking about the games your in another world. Generating interest is what they do. Good or bad. unfortunately bad attracts more attention.

Everyone has the right to weigh in on their level of satisfaction with the program. In print, conversation or with what shirt color they are wearing.

 

[XgradforUC]

I have also been in sports, as a participate, a coach, and a fan, for over 50 years. Most of that time as a fan, but also as a participate, of UC. I've seen some pretty lousy coaches at UC. I'm not going to tell you that TT does NOT want to win. I have known a player or coach that doesn't WANT to win. But sadly not all players and/or coaches do what is NEEDED to win and/or have the talent TO win.

If a coach either doesn't have the talent or doesn't put forth the effort NEEDED to win, should they be left alone just because they have the DESIRE to win? One of my coaches had a sign in his office that said "Happy are those who dream dreams, and out for the effort to make them come true". Only the administration can say for sure what the dreams are, and what the effort has been. Only they have the insight and knowledge to make that judgement. We, as fans, can only see the results. We have to judge based on what we see.

M....how would you judge the RESULTS?


As far as the original post.....

I wish we would wear BLACK ALL THE TIME, and quit switching between black, red, white or whatever. Let the Nip be known as "THE BLACK HOLE", and let other teams fear to come there.

 

[UCBearcats]

I surrender! It is a sad day for UC, if students come out in droves to protest TT. Some think this is funny. I have no idea what kind of job you have, but I would venture to say people don't protest, drag you thru the mud in the media

THE MAN IN THE ARENA
Excerpt from the speech "Citizenship In A Republic"
delivered at the Sorbonne, in Paris, France on 23 April, 1910
download PDF of complete speech

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
a, ridicule you in public...

What in the ever loving hell are you talking about?? TT is a college coach, he opened himself up to criticism from the fans when he took the job. He had a team go undefeated the SEC and was run out at Auburn shortly after because he couldn't meet the standards. Les Miles was just fired at LSU after winning 2 national championships in the last 12 years because the fans weren't happy with his performance recently. Phil Fulmer was fired at UT after they named all the streets around the stadium after him, Lloyd Carr was fired at Michigan, Mack Brown at Texas and the list goes on and on and on and on. Those are just the guys who had success, think about how many other coaches have been churned and burned at schools in quicker time than TT has been at UC. It's a high stakes job that comes with all kinds of money and perks but also a ton of pressure, so quit playing your tiny violin and acting like you're so devastated that people aren't happy with TT's performance.

This is what coaching is all about, it's a what have you done for me lately type of job. When you sign up for the big bucks you also open yourself up to criticism. Now I've never been one to say that TT doesn't care about winning or any of other stupid comments that have gotten you all fired up but you can't argue that TT has done a good job here. The facts are he hasn't done a good job, his records stink, his recruiting is sub par and he's not getting it done against his peers in the AAC. TT has done nothing to retain his job at UC and if the students want to wear black shirts to oppose him or the fans want to boo him then so be it. TT could have avoided all of this by winning but he hasn't been able to do that, whatever the reasons, he has failed. I think our administration is so complacent and our city in general has become so accustomed to losing that I'll be shocked if TT actually gets fired at the end of the season, but there's no doubt that based solely on performance he should be. TT = MC, neither of them is capable of elevating our programs to the levels they need to be at and they should BOTH be fired.

 

[UCalum08]

I am with the group that thinks TT needs to step down or be shown the door for all the obvious reasons. But it should surely happen at the end of the year when the cost goes down. TT isn't going to step down on his own and it would be foolish to do it now. (unfortunately)

With that being said, I don't think its necessary to black out the red to symbolize a protest. Its obvious majority of the fan/student base wants him gone. But considering the details of TT's buyout has been released, clearly nothing will happen til the end of the year. We are stuck with what we got til December. Personally, the way TT has lost this team and program, these final games will be brutal to endure but will solidify and justify TT's firing.