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Holding us to 64 is right. They held the ball the entire game just across mid court. They had 77 possessions in the game with Mississippi College. They had 58 vs us. With 77 possessions we would have scored 85 points on them.

They held us to 40% shooting and Mick did a lot of praising of their defense after the game, so it was more than possessions.
 
Had pretty much nothing to do with "guys getting lost". Since you have such a vast knowledge of the game, I'll let you diagnose what was the actual problem...

You don't think Shaq got lost/had a defensive lapse/wasn't aware against SE Louisiana when that bum drained 3 3s from the same spot in the opening minutes? Why do you think Mick yanked him? Quadri has also been caught in no man's land a few times and his indecisiveness on who to pick up has cost us points. How is that not considered "guys getting lost"?
 
While it could be a small part of the explanation I think the largest part is due to the last couple of teams racing 3 and 4 defenders back to make sure we didn't get out and run. You take advantage of numbers IE 3 on 2...but if you are the outlet and you are pushing and see 4 defenders on two teammates you pull it up and run the old offense. If they are set defensively there is no point in doing the hurry up offense. The whole point of the hurry up would be to take advantage of numbers or to catch them before they set up their defense.

Yeah I mean we've been getting ok looks. Also keep in mind, we played 7 games in a little over 2 weeks.
 
Had pretty much nothing to do with "guys getting lost". Since you have such a vast knowledge of the game, I'll let you diagnose what was the actual problem...

Sorry, I wasn't sitting there with my little pen and paper writing notes when Mick spoke. You definitely wouldn't have figured this out on your own, so why don't you just read us your notes.
 
Evans got his lowest minutes of the season (15), and his passing was terrible in that game, but his passing has been very good most of the season. Shaq never walks the ball up the court and his game is faster than most. This is a discussion of why our pace slowed way down to resemble past teams. If Shaq is on the bench, that will contribute to the pace slowing down. Plus, Shaq is 4th on the team in assists, which is best outside of the three guards. He has 11 assists and 7 turnovers, not to shabby. Also, most of his turnovers don't come from his passes. Most come from him trying to drive and being out of control. You're wrong, if you look at the minutes prior to the SE Louisiana game, those three played significantly more minutes, and the ball movement was significantly better.

I'm not wrong. One, of course they got more minutes, they were playing against cupcakes. And two, the pace and ball movement didn't improve when those three went in the game, the ball movement had been great for all those games including when those three were not in the game. Your argument holds no water.
 
I'm not wrong. One, of course they got more minutes, they were playing against cupcakes. And two, the pace and ball movement didn't improve when those three went in the game, the ball movement had been great for all those games including when those three were not in the game. Your argument holds no water.

Ok, believe what you want. Those guys didn't play long enough to break a sweat and get in the flow of the game. Plus, it depends greatly on who is on the floor with you. It's a stupid argument so I'll just say you're right. Congratulations. Argument is over.
 
It all starts with good passing and having am inside presence. That will open up our shooters. If we continue to struggle to score in the paint, we will struggle.

We also need to get our deflections up and get transition buckets. Both games in Brooklyn we had minimal deflections and a weak transition game.


I think the deflections were more a matter of what Gw and Neb were doing tho. They were just being ultra patient on offense and not trying to make a lot of passes before the shots. We can't deflect what isn't thrown.

It kinda stinks thats in our first 3 games we looked so good because it has changed the way teams are approaching us when they play us. No one thought we were capable of that kinda offense and pace until those first 3 games, so they made adjustments to slow it down
 
Sorry, I wasn't sitting there with my little pen and paper writing notes when Mick spoke. You definitely wouldn't have figured this out on your own, so why don't you just read us your notes.

If you know the game as well as you claim, the issue in the GW game was an easy one to spot. I did get conformation from Mick yesterday, but only because the right question was asked. You are the one constantly claiming to know the game. How did GW keep getting the corner three open???
 
They held us to 40% shooting and Mick did a lot of praising of their defense after the game, so it was more than possessions.

Dude, they lessoned possessions though. Like from 12 minutes left in the 2nd half and on, they stopped at mid court and held the ball until 8 seconds remained on the shot clock.

I was at the game and it was maddening. I was pulling my hair because there was nothing we could do besides let them do it since you don't want to risk fouling at half court.
 
Ok, believe what you want. Those guys didn't play long enough to break a sweat and get in the flow of the game. Plus, it depends greatly on who is on the floor with you. It's a stupid argument so I'll just say you're right. Congratulations. Argument is over.

You realize that while Evans, Moore and Jenifer played less, they had 10 total TO's compared to Cobb, Caupain, and Kj who played more minutes and had just 7 combined???

So you can make an argument about our "better" passers not playing as much and thus have less flow and assists, But your also telling a one sided story because if those guys increase the minutes, they also increase the TO's... And I dunno if we could have afforded 5 more TO against NEB or GW
 
I think we'll still score 75+ a bunch of times the rest of the year. Good to come back home for the Butler game and get a bit of a breather after a quick start to the year.
 
Ok, believe what you want. Those guys didn't play long enough to break a sweat and get in the flow of the game. Plus, it depends greatly on who is on the floor with you. It's a stupid argument so I'll just say you're right. Congratulations. Argument is over.

Thank you.
 
If you know the game as well as you claim, the issue in the GW game was an easy one to spot. I did get conformation from Mick yesterday, but only because the right question was asked. You are the one constantly claiming to know the game. How did GW keep getting the corner three open???

Com'on man. You don't think I'm stupid enough to answer your silly questions do you. First of all, there were a lot more wide open shots than just the ones in the corner. If I answered your stupid question correctly, which I would, there's not a snowball's chance in hell that you you would acknowledge it. You would just say something else was the reason. It's how you roll. Play your little games with someone else.
 
Com'on man. You don't think I'm stupid enough to answer your silly questions do you. First of all, there were a lot more wide open shots than just the ones in the corner. If I answered your stupid question correctly, which I would, there's not a snowball's chance in hell that you you would acknowledge it. You would just say something else was the reason. It's how you roll. Play your little games with someone else.

Hahahahahaha

Exactly as I expected. Funny thing is if you answered correctly, I would have no choice but to say you were right. The majority of the time they got wide open looks was due to dribble penetration from the guards out top. That forces the bottom wing of the zone to defend two guys when the strong side is overloaded, and the extra pass creates the wide open corner look. In a perfect world the center can get out to cover, but he has to stay home to stop the penetration from the top. The answer is Farad and KJ to a lesser extent have to do a better job keeping the lead guard out of the paint, because once he gets there the strong side overload busts the zone and a shooter is wide open.

Class dismissed L-T...
 
Hahahahahaha

Exactly as I expected. Funny thing is if you answered correctly, I would have no choice but to say you were right. The majority of the time they got wide open looks was due to dribble penetration from the guards out top. That forces the bottom wing of the zone to defend two guys when the strong side is overloaded, and the extra pass creates the wide open corner look. In a perfect world the center can get out to cover, but he has to stay home to stop the penetration from the top. The answer is Farad and KJ to a lesser extent have to do a better job keeping the lead guard out of the paint, because once he gets there the strong side overload busts the zone and a shooter is wide open.

Class dismissed L-T...

Mick has talked a lot about getting beat off the dribble, but I guess I haven't seen it as being as big of a problem as he makes it out to be (obviously I'd take his word for it over mine though). Shaq has made kind of a half attempt to help a few times, and doesn't exactly wall off the penetration AND he leaves the corner open. If guys are going to help from there, I wish they'd at least fully commit to it. I also get that it starts up top, but I feel like at least KJ has been good on the ball this year.
 
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Mick has talked a lot about getting beat off the dribble, but I guess I haven't seen it as being as big of a problem as he makes it out to be (obviously I'd take his word for it over mine though). Shaq has made kind of a half attempt to help a few times, and doesn't exactly wall off the penetration AND he leaves the corner open. If guys are going to help from there, I wish they'd at least fully commit to it.

It becomes a sheer numbers game against the zone with three offensive players playing against two defenders. If penetration is prevented, the rotations stay in tact and the defense can continue to pass off match ups. The problem is actually forcing the big to stay home and defend the rim as the ball handler enters the paint. The bottom wing has to go with the guy lifting to the free throw line extended and the guy the center is supposed to pass off becomes an open shooter in the corner.

Shaq has made the mistake of trying to help at times, but it doesn't change the original issue other than making the lift wing more open than he should be. The corner three is open either way because the rotations had to be cut off to stop the ball at the rim...
 
Hahahahahaha

Exactly as I expected. Funny thing is if you answered correctly, I would have no choice but to say you were right. The majority of the time they got wide open looks was due to dribble penetration from the guards out top. That forces the bottom wing of the zone to defend two guys when the strong side is overloaded, and the extra pass creates the wide open corner look. In a perfect world the center can get out to cover, but he has to stay home to stop the penetration from the top. The answer is Farad and KJ to a lesser extent have to do a better job keeping the lead guard out of the paint, because once he gets there the strong side overload busts the zone and a shooter is wide open.

Class dismissed L-T...

Outstanding transferal of shorthand notes over to real English and perfect spelling as well. Mick would be proud of you. Well done!!!
 
It becomes a sheer numbers game against the zone with three offensive players playing against two defenders. If penetration is prevented, the rotations stay in tact and the defense can continue to pass off match ups. The problem is actually forcing the big to stay home and defend the rim as the ball handler enters the paint. The bottom wing has to go with the guy lifting to the free throw line extended and the guy the center is supposed to pass off becomes an open shooter in the corner.

Shaq has made the mistake of trying to help at times, but it doesn't change the original issue other than making the lift wing more open than he should be. The corner three is open either way because the rotations had to be cut off to stop the ball at the rim...

Yes very true. You think we will full court press Butler for a lot of the game?
 
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