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It's amazing to me that college refs are not ranked and graded on their performances.

The state of officiating is flat awful.

It's amazing how much better nba refs are. They are fantastic.
 
What happened today should never happen. Then I couldn't believe how the announcers were saying how great of a job Teddy did not T'ing up Cronin.

At least watch the game guys.
 
TheLivingLegend said:
It's amazing to me that college refs are not ranked and graded on their performances.

The state of officiating is flat awful.

It's amazing how much better nba refs are. They are fantastic.
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there are still some known nba refs that are very bad just like there are known college refs that are really bad (teddy, burr, and others).
 
TheLivingLegend said:
It's amazing to me that college refs are not ranked and graded on their performances.

The state of officiating is flat awful.

It's amazing how much better nba refs are. They are fantastic.
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1) More established pro players get favorable calls. There are numerous videos on Youtube of refs mic'ed up that confirm this.

2) NBA coaches don't behave the same way college coaches do. If you yell the way Mick did today, he would've been thrown out.

3) They need to get rid of the subjectivity on calls. I'm in favor of significant modifications to the charge call. I am also in favor of calling it a foul EVERY time two hands are put on a guy driving to the rim. If you aren't straight up defending a shot, it should be a foul. We shouldn't leave so much for the refs to decide...
 
TheLivingLegend said:
It's amazing to me that college refs are not ranked and graded on their performances.

The state of officiating is flat awful.

It's amazing how much better nba refs are. They are fantastic.
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I won't pretend to be an expert on the subject, but as far as I understand it college refs don't really get paid alot. It would be better to have them be full-time employees or contractors that would have to go through some sort of regular training. In reality this would probably be a near impossible feat. There are 350 or so D1 teams, plus D2 and D3. I wonder how many refs there are floating around out there. The NBA has what, maybe 50-60 refs that are probably compensated much better and holding them accountable is much easier. With that said, I completely agree that there needs to be a more clear definition of the rules and when refs don't follow these guidlines they should be somehow held accountable. When a question comes up the conference has to answer what happened and never the refs. An example was in the UC-Illinois game where the Big Ten came out and said the refs made the wrong call on the TD they took away. Well great, but what was done about it?

Now at the same time I think college coaches need to be held more accountable for their actions in games. I love Cronin, but he goes above and beyond at times to me in his actions towards the refs. And unfortunately that is not only accepted but almost encouraged in college basketball. Cronin has gotten better and he definitely isn't the worse and probably not even worse than the average coach out there. The reason you don't see NBA refs doing such things is it isn't tolerated. MLB is the only pro sport that really allows it's coaches or managers in this case to act like children to the officiating.
 
Not sure what the fuss is about after today's game. The refs were pretty good. Yea valentine shouldn't have gotten in his face but Mick was very lucky not to be T'd up.
 
TheLongHaul said:
Not sure what the fuss is about after today's game. The refs were pretty good. Yea valentine shouldn't have gotten in his face but Mick was very lucky not to be T'd up.
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Honestly wasnt really talking about today.... I hate watching random college games. It's wrong call after wrong call. The refs truly effect outcomes at the college level.

There needs to be a system in place to rate officials per there game.
 
TheLongHaul said:
Not sure what the fuss is about after today's game. The refs were pretty good. Yea valentine shouldn't have gotten in his face but Mick was very lucky not to be T'd up.
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Just saw Sportscenter. Cronin said he has a good relationship with Valentine and that's why he wasn't T'ed up. BTW, no coach should have to be restrained by his players NOR should they ever shove their assistant......EVER !
 
CaptDale said:
Just saw Sportscenter. Cronin said he has a good relationship with Valentine and that's why he wasn't T'ed up. BTW, no coach should have to be restrained by his players NOR should they ever shove their assistant......EVER !
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You liked Huggins, right?
 
CaptDale said:
Just saw Sportscenter. Cronin said he has a good relationship with Valentine and that's why he wasn't T'ed up. BTW, no coach should have to be restrained by his players NOR should they ever shove their assistant......EVER !
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There is clearly a reason why Cronin did not get T'd up. Valentine knew he was wrong so he was going to let Cronin get his just due. The media wants to act like the ref had great restraint blah blah but that was not the case. I thought it was funny not t'ing him up bc to me it was like the ref accepting fault. There was one point in the argument where Cronin said "Thats fu*king bullsh!t and you know it".
 
JasonS said:
You liked Huggins, right?
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Your walking right into his BS. Let's stay on topic. The reality is Mick is tired of being given the short end of the stick by the refs. Last two games our opponents got away with murder including help from the broadcast crew.
 
cincrulz11 said:
What happened today should never happen. Then I couldn't believe how the announcers were saying how great of a job Teddy did not T'ing up Cronin.

At least watch the game guys.
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Actually, I really think Mick wanted to get t'd up because we needed a momentum-changer. Valentine knew this, and he knew he made the wrong call, so he didn't give Mick a technical.
 
Bearcat_NTS said:
1) More established pro players get favorable calls. There are numerous videos on Youtube of refs mic'ed up that confirm this.

2) NBA coaches don't behave the same way college coaches do. If you yell the way Mick did today, he would've been thrown out.

3) They need to get rid of the subjectivity on calls. I'm in favor of significant modifications to the charge call. I am also in favor of calling it a foul EVERY time two hands are put on a guy driving to the rim. If you aren't straight up defending a shot, it should be a foul. We shouldn't leave so much for the refs to decide...
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3) I like the two hands should be a foul change that you propose, but I don't know if it would work in practice because of how ingrained it has become in the game. I would argue the same thing about carrying, as virtually every point guard carries the ball as they bring it up the court now and it rarely gets called. I wish they would call it more, but unfortunately, it has just become a part of the game.
 
CaptDale said:
Just saw Sportscenter. Cronin said he has a good relationship with Valentine and that's why he wasn't T'ed up. BTW, no coach should have to be restrained by his players NOR should they ever shove their assistant......EVER !
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Happens all the time. I've seen it many times personally. It's a big deal to you because it's Cronin.
 
I can almost guarantee those assistants are instructed on how to deal with that when it comes up, and when to expect it coming up. It's almost like wrestling...you gotta sell it even when everyone knows it's not for real, if not to get the audience going nuts!
 
BCM said:
I can almost guarantee those assistants are instructed on how to deal with that when it comes up, and when to expect it coming up. It's almost like wrestling...you gotta sell it even when everyone knows it's not for real, if not to get the audience going nuts!
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This isn't WWF and that stuff isn't staged.
 

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