Crosstown Shootout

[skyblade]

I'm not following this. Not getting to the rim is exactly why I think he's better as a point forward than a wing. You expect your wings to get to the rim. You want your point man, whether it's a guard or a forward, to create offense. Our guards don't get to the rim as it is.

Nolley is never going to be a true point guard. But you accept some negative tradeoffs that come with that by getting more length on the floor. If we had a good point guard this wouldn't be a realistic option, but we don't have solid balanced point guard on the roster.

My point is I just don't see how he creates offense as a point forward. He's not great off the dribble (I believe he had a couple TO's off the dribble vs Xavier), doesn't get to the rim, has poor 2-point shot selection. The only thing he does well is shoot it from three and that's mostly as a catch and shoot guy. I know there are potential and eye test arguments, but nothing statistically says he's a guy who can create offense. More length is great, but Nolley's not particularly good on defense or rebounding despite his size.

MAW at least forces the defense to move. He's the only guard who consistently gets to the rim (27 attempts, though he is shooting only 51.9% on them), leads the team in assists and is third (behind Davenport and Phinisee) in assist-TO ratio. He's not a great PG by any means, but he seems to be the best option we've got.

 

[sedziobs]

My point is I just don't see how he creates offense as a point forward. He's not great off the dribble (I believe he had a couple TO's off the dribble vs Xavier), doesn't get to the rim, has poor 2-point shot selection. The only thing he does well is shoot it from three and that's mostly as a catch and shoot guy. I know there are potential and eye test arguments, but nothing statistically says he's a guy who can create offense. More length is great, but Nolley's not particularly good on defense or rebounding despite his size.

MAW at least forces the defense to move. He's the only guard who consistently gets to the rim (27 attempts, though he is shooting only 51.9% on them), leads the team in assists and is third (behind Davenport and Phinisee) in assist-TO ratio. He's not a great PG by any means, but he seems to be the best option we've got.

MAW is our point guard, so of course he's going to have the best assist numbers. The main problem we're trying to solve here is DDJ and MAW playing together. It really limits our length and athleticism. Nolley isn't a good defender or rebounder for his size, but we're not comparing players of the same size. He's got 5 inches on MAW. If our opponent is running a couple of 6'6" wings out there, we can match their size with DDJ still playing off ball. We don't need him to be good at scoring off the dribble, which is where most his his TOs come from (and his TO rate is lower than MAW this year). We just need him to put up an assist rate near 20 which he has done in the past and I think he's capable of if we screen for him and put him in the middle of the floor.

At the end of the day this all just a fantasy. I don't think Wes is ever going to try it. But I think our best lineup right now would be DDJ/Skillings/Nolley/Ody/Lakhin. MAW, Davenport, and Reed are all good bench players who bring different things to the table. But that starting five is long, should be able to rebound and defend the interior, and has some scoring potential.

 

[TheRealMick]

MAW and JD 10-12 min guys if that unless they hitting shots. MAW literally looks over at Wes every play, hell yeah he go play most minutes on team. He doesn't care if we win, lose, or draw his goal is to whatever Wes tells him to stay on floor. MAW is the snitch that tells on his siblings to get a treat.

 

[TheRealMick]

MAW is our point guard, so of course he's going to have the best assist numbers. The main problem we're trying to solve here is DDJ and MAW playing together. It really limits our length and athleticism. Nolley isn't a good defender or rebounder for his size, but we're not comparing players of the same size. He's got 5 inches on MAW. If our opponent is running a couple of 6'6" wings out there, we can match their size with DDJ still playing off ball. We don't need him to be good at scoring off the dribble, which is where most his his TOs come from (and his TO rate is lower than MAW this year). We just need him to put up an assist rate near 20 which he has done in the past and I think he's capable of if we screen for him and put him in the middle of the floor.

At the end of the day this all just a fantasy. I don't think Wes is ever going to try it. But I think our best lineup right now would be DDJ/Skillings/Nolley/Ody/Lakhin. MAW, Davenport, and Reed are all good bench players who bring different things to the table. But that starting five is long, should be able to rebound and defend the interior, and has some scoring potential.

It's prepare for future and move on from MaW, JD, and DDj playing huge minutes. This my ideal 5, Nolly/Skillings/Reed/Hensley/Vik

 

[waterhead]

My point is I just don't see how he creates offense as a point forward. He's not great off the dribble (I believe he had a couple TO's off the dribble vs Xavier), doesn't get to the rim, has poor 2-point shot selection. The only thing he does well is shoot it from three and that's mostly as a catch and shoot guy. I know there are potential and eye test arguments, but nothing statistically says he's a guy who can create offense. More length is great, but Nolley's not particularly good on defense or rebounding despite his size.

MAW at least forces the defense to move. He's the only guard who consistently gets to the rim (27 attempts, though he is shooting only 51.9% on them), leads the team in assists and is third (behind Davenport and Phinisee) in assist-TO ratio. He's not a great PG by any means, but he seems to be the best option we've got.

I'm not sure we are talking about the same two players here. JD has one skill only and that is shooting and that skill is average. The reason Nolley gets more turnovers is because he tries to do more with his skills. JD either shoots or does a straight line drive to the bucket with no control. he's not trying to dribble into creases making defenders have to make decisions etc. He's a much better passer and so far a better shooter. Also better defender.

Nolley vs JD isn't even close if JD is hitting equal shots.

 

[waterhead]

My point is I just don't see how he creates offense as a point forward. He's not great off the dribble (I believe he had a couple TO's off the dribble vs Xavier), doesn't get to the rim, has poor 2-point shot selection. The only thing he does well is shoot it from three and that's mostly as a catch and shoot guy. I know there are potential and eye test arguments, but nothing statistically says he's a guy who can create offense. More length is great, but Nolley's not particularly good on defense or rebounding despite his size.

MAW at least forces the defense to move. He's the only guard who consistently gets to the rim (27 attempts, though he is shooting only 51.9% on them), leads the team in assists and is third (behind Davenport and Phinisee) in assist-TO ratio. He's not a great PG by any means, but he seems to be the best option we've got.

I think Nolley rates as average defender and JD rates as poor (which is the worst rating). Also Nolley is really starting work that pump fake to create fouls similar to DDJ. That is another thing JD doesn't have.