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JasonS said:
If you want to know how I feel about Mack at Xavier, I was SO happy he turned down UT (allegedly). As long as Mack is there, they will never be worth a damn.
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I would simply like you to define "worth a damn". He is two for two on getting to the tournament with 1 sweet 16. So if that doesn't fit your measuring stick for a coach in his first two years you either have extremely high expectations for Xavier or demand a lot out of a coach. Just curious which one it is.
 
DontMissHim said:
I would simply like you to define "worth a damn". He is two for two on getting to the tournament with 1 sweet 16. So if that doesn't fit your measuring stick for a coach in his first two years you either have extremely high expectations for Xavier or demand a lot out of a coach. Just curious which one it is.
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His first two recruiting classes are also absolutely awful. Xavier is lucky that Lyons was ineligible his first year (a trend that seems to be developing over there for such a high quality institution), or their rising junior and sophomore classes would be absolutely awful, instead of just plain bad.
 
Not Guilty said:
His first two recruiting classes are also absolutely awful. Xavier is lucky that Lyons was ineligible his first year (a trend that seems to be developing over there for such a high quality institution), or their rising junior and sophomore classes would be absolutely awful, instead of just plain bad.
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This is exactly what I am referring to. Well said.
 
Not Guilty said:
His first two recruiting classes are also absolutely awful. Xavier is lucky that Lyons was ineligible his first year (a trend that seems to be developing over there for such a high quality institution), or their rising junior and sophomore classes would be absolutely awful, instead of just plain bad.
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Ha, basing the whole class on their freshman year?! Oh boy. Just wait, Xavier is recruiting better than ever before.

I like how you think X is lucky Lyons is only a Junior, where as after his freshman year I'm sure you thought he wasn't going to pan out either.:rolleyes:

I would also wait to judge this last class, as X's best recruit had to sit out this year.
 
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Kingsley Court said:
Ha, basing the whole class on their freshman year?! Oh boy. Just wait, Xavier is recruiting better than ever before.

I like how you think X is lucky Lyons is only a Junior, where as after his freshman year I'm sure you thought he wasn't going to pan out either.:rolleyes:
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X took some hits on the recruiting trail this year, no doubt about it. The question is, how do they recover? Will DSR re-commit to X for 2012?

Davis, Reynolds and Wells are a solid trio for 2011... I don't know that X is recruiting at it's highest level ever but the cupboard is far from bare.
 
psax889906 said:
X took some hits on the recruiting trail this year, no doubt about it. The question is, how do they recover? Will DSR re-commit to X for 2012?

Davis, Reynolds and Wells are a solid trio for 2011... I don't know that X is recruiting at it's highest level ever but the cupboard is far from bare.
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I suppose you could be right, but if you go back and look at it, X hasn't gotten the best recruits. I think I saw that Miller only got 2 four star recruits while at X. It's not like X has had a lot of success because of their great recruiting classes. They do a good job of getting players better.
 
Davis, Reynolds and Wells is probably one of the better recruiting classes Xavier has had. Throw in Justin Martin who will be a starter next year and thats a great freshman class IMO. Far cry from being a bad recruiter. Next year will be the most talented team Xavier has ever had- I am not saying the best because a lot of that talent is from the Freshman class- but if its not the best its certainly the second best in terms of most overall talent on one team (for Xavier)
 
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DontMissHim said:
Davis, Reynolds and Wells is probably one of the better recruiting classes Xavier has had. Throw in Justin Martin who will be a starter next year and thats a great freshman class IMO.
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What's the X starting 5 looking like next year? We all need to know who Yancy and Co. are going to beat up on next year... :p
 
Kingsley Court said:
HA. Right now I would say Frease, Taylor(transfer), Martin, Lyons, Holloway. Redford/Robinson/Wells off the bench.
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Looks like the question marks will be who's going to spell Frease at the 5 and what the production from the forward positions will be. Lyons and Holloway will be the best returning back court in the A-10.
 
JasonS said:
People have made worse decisions to go into the NBA draft.
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I think he's more ready than Lance was- but doesn't have the physical package Lance has. With Tu it's more about production than it is about potential or athleticism, imo.
 
Kingsley Court said:
HA. Right now I would say Frease, Taylor(transfer), Martin, Lyons, Holloway. Redford/Robinson/Wells off the bench.
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Of course, Holloway could leave.

Travis Taylor was an inefficient player at Monmouth, posting O-Ratings of less than 100 (which is the division 1 average) both of his seasons against extremely poor strength of schedules.

Redford is very unathletic and poor on defense. Will love to see who he guards when he plays against UC next year.

And Robinson looks lost any time he plays against a good team. Watching him play in the Crosstown shootout this past year was embarrassing. He didn't know what was going on.

The rest is pretty solid, and you forgot Dee Davis who I'm sure will play significant minutes.
 
psax889906 said:
I think he's more ready than Lance was- but doesn't have the physical package Lance has. With Tu it's more about production than it is about potential or athleticism, imo.
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Yeah, I don't really know what more ready means. He is a better college player now than Lance was in his only year here. But his chances at the NBA are next to none. He doesn't have the length, quickness or shooting ability to play at the next level.

But he does hate school, is rumored to be graduating somehow this year which would mean he would have to take graduate level classes next year if he wanted to play, and could make solid money in Europe without the burden of class if he so choose.
 
Kingsley Court said:
Ha, basing the whole class on their freshman year?! Oh boy. Just wait, Xavier is recruiting better than ever before.

I like how you think X is lucky Lyons is only a Junior, where as after his freshman year I'm sure you thought he wasn't going to pan out either.:rolleyes:

I would also wait to judge this last class, as X's best recruit had to sit out this year.
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Why did the recruit have to sit out this year? (That's rhetorical)

There are strong rumors that Xavier could be bringing in 2 additional players in Sim Bhullar and Ari Stewart (transfer) this year. If that happens, the only logical choices to leave are in the current bust of a freshman class (with the exception of Holloway of course).
 
Not Guilty said:
Yeah, I don't really know what more ready means. He is a better college player now than Lance was in his only year here. But his chances at the NBA are next to none. He doesn't have the length, quickness or shooting ability to play at the next level.

But he does hate school, is rumored to be graduating somehow this year which would mean he would have to take graduate level classes next year if he wanted to play, and could make solid money in Europe without the burden of class if he so choose.
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He's a streaky shooter but his ability to create in traffic, get to the basket and find his team mates is exceptional.

To hell with length and quickness. Too many professional sports franchises get caught up in a numbers crunch and looking for a 'profile' rather than looking for a player. Tu Holloway is a player. If he works on his shot some in the off season I see absolutely no reason why he should not be drafted. Now- I said should not, not would not. But If I'm an NBA GM I'd give that kid a long look for sure.

Ugh I can't believe I just defended Xavier's star player. I feel dirty.
 
Not Guilty said:
Why did the recruit have to sit out this year? (That's rhetorical)

There are strong rumors that Xavier could be bringing in 2 additional players in Sim Bhullar and Ari Stewart (transfer) this year. If that happens, the only logical choices to leave are in the current bust of a freshman class (with the exception of Holloway of course).
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Yeah I knew they may be coming, but really I don't know how much of an impact they would be having right away. Ari would be sitting out a year of courese, and Bhullar I hear is really out of shape for D1 ball, however he has a ton of size.

As for someone above, I know Dee Davis will be getting some minutes, but I don't know how many. I don't know if X will try and go 9-10 deep. I don't know if I want that really.
 

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