FULL 2017-18 SCHEDULE

[justinhub2003]

Now lets look how other top AAC faired when it came to how many 300+ games they booked:


UCONN: 1
SMU: 3
WSU: 1
Houston: 3
UCF: 3


Xavier: 1

Guys, its a big deal.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Now lets look how other top AAC faired when it came to how many 300+ games they booked:


UCONN: 1
SMU: 3
WSU: 1
Houston: 3
UCF: 3


Xavier: 1

Guys, its a big deal.

How many Top 50 games do those teams have? Bc again, last year THE ONLY THING I heard about was Top 50 wins. That is all anyone cared about.

And it looks like 2 of the 5 we have could easily get back into the 200s. The 300+ years seemed like outliers based on your numbers.

Let things play out. We'll be fine. If we go 29-5 (heading into NCAAs) and get a bad seed, it's going to be bc the AAC sucked again.

 

[Bearcatboy]

Committee values challenging your self in non conference. 5 300+ is the exact opposite of that.

I have no idea why you guys are defending this schedule. I love the marquee games. Just not the rest.

Come selection sunday; come back to this post and you’ll understand why I was concerned.

Top 50 wins are great. But miss state may not be a top 50 teams which means we could finish with 3 max top 50 wins. And then a schedule full of cupcakes,


I honestly just the committee takes into consideration our arena situation. Would be nice if all our home games were considered neutrals.

Lose those games to Florida UCLA Xavier Mississippi state
You need easy teams to be to get your record looking decent can't end up with 10 losses
Mick doesn't want 10 losses at the end of the year and 18 that is tired come conference time got a mix-and-match a little bit easy and hard. Have to keep that tournament Streak going

 

[cincyguy13]

The teams we schedule historically bad, don't count on any of them making huge jumps.

Last 3 year Kenpom rankings of each team:
Alabama State: 265, 286, 342 (Actually regressing not getting better)
Coppin State: 325, 333, 343
Arkansas Pine Bluff: 324, 344, 348
Western Carolina: 234, 195, 322 (our best chance at moving up, used to be a decent buy game)
Savanah State: 338, 332, 317


We scheduled consistently bad teams for the most part. Don't get your hopes up that they will sudden be top 250 teams next year.

I hear what you're saying but it always comes down to the same thing. If you beat good teams and prove you are good, you'll get a good seed. It's that simple. If you lose most of your games to good teams, that's when the 300+ thing becomes an issue.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I hear what you're saying but it always comes down to the same thing. If you beat good teams and prove you are good, you'll get a good seed. It's that simple. If you lose most of your games to good teams, that's when the 300+ thing becomes an issue.

Yeah I mean the committee has never even used KenPom. I think I remember hearing that this year they will. But I don't see them going from not using it, to digging into so deeply that KenPom non-con SOS becomes their favorite tool.

 

[justinhub2003]

Like I’m a diehard UC fan and am only harping on the schedule bc I know the impact. And I don’t want to give the committee any fuel.

There is a huge difference between playing the 150th ranked team and 342nd ranked team.

I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is if any one really thinks playing 5 300+ teams is a good thing. Even if you use RPI as your measureing stick, these teams are still really bad.

Add in that, I’m disappointed than just one decent school is playing in front of home court fans in the non league schedule.

I won’t bring it up again, until March. But if we win 30 games, even in a better conference, Wil still get a 6 seed bc of 1/3 of our wins are against whack ass teams

 

[JasonS]

Like I’m a diehard UC fan and am only harping on the schedule bc I know the impact. And I don’t want to give the committee any fuel.

There is a huge difference between playing the 150th ranked team and 342nd ranked team.

I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is if any one really thinks playing 5 300+ teams is a good thing. Even if you use RPI as your measureing stick, these teams are still really bad.

Add in that, I’m disappointed than just one decent school is playing in front of home court fans in the non league schedule.

I won’t bring it up again, until March. But if we win 30 games, even in a better conference, Wil still get a 6 seed bc of 1/3 of our wins are against whack ass teams

It was by design that only "one decent team" is playing in front of the home fans this year. The University wants those games at home next year with a newly renovated 5/3 Arena.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Like I’m a diehard UC fan and am only harping on the schedule bc I know the impact. And I don’t want to give the committee any fuel.

There is a huge difference between playing the 150th ranked team and 342nd ranked team.

I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is if any one really thinks playing 5 300+ teams is a good thing. Even if you use RPI as your measureing stick, these teams are still really bad.

Add in that, I’m disappointed than just one decent school is playing in front of home court fans in the non league schedule.

I won’t bring it up again, until March. But if we win 30 games, even in a better conference, Wil still get a 6 seed bc of 1/3 of our wins are against whack ass teams

I don't think anyone said playing 5 teams ranked in the 300s is GOOD. But again, you don't know that it's going to be 5...could easily be 3. And if we bury those teams and have a bunch of Top 50 wins, it'd be really weird for the committee to search so hard for ammo to use against us.

 

[justinhub2003]

It was by design that only "one decent team" is playing in front of the home fans this year. The University wants those games at home next year with a newly renovated 5/3 Arena.

We only have 2 high profile home games scheduled next year, that’s the same as every year. I doubt they bring in another high profile.

Again, IM NOT COMPLAINING about our high tier Games. I’d just like to see Marshall again on the schedule, or An A10 school. And then some of the good buy games; Lehigh, South Dakota state, Kent state etc

 

[cincyguy13]

I'm sure cronin would rather not play 300+ teams. There is nothing in it for the team. Would probably get more out of a good practice then playing an awful team. I'm guessing its a money thing.

 

[waterhead]

We only have 2 high profile home games scheduled next year, that’s the same as every year. I doubt they bring in another high profile.

Again, IM NOT COMPLAINING about our high tier Games. I’d just like to see Marshall again on the schedule, or An A10 school. And then some of the good buy games; Lehigh, South Dakota state, Kent state etc

In principal I would agree with you about the buy games. Of course this assumes something can be done about it from the perspective of who is doing the scheduling.

Those middle tier BUY GAMES (the one's you can beat easily but aren't ranked 300+) are the one's we want to go after. However, almost every major team wants those. They will probably go to the highest bidder on average and we aren't the highest bidder. That puts the handcuffs on the scheduler.

I would still think we can do a little better than the 300+ teams but if you wait to long to schedule that will be all that is left. It was nice to land UCLA and Florida etc...from a top 50 standpoint but then we go and reverse the effects on the OC SOS by adding too many lower tier teams. Both of these will have some effect on the committee to a certain extent.

In the end if we can take 2 out of 3 against Florida, X and UCLA and then take at least 1 from WSU...we should be in good shape. If we don't the SOS could come back to bite us a little by dropping our seed 1 or 2 spots.

 

[waterhead]

In principal I would agree with you about the buy games. Of course this assumes something can be done about it from the perspective of who is doing the scheduling.

Those middle tier BUY GAMES (the one's you can beat easily but aren't ranked 300+) are the one's we want to go after. However, almost every major team wants those. They will probably go to the highest bidder on average and we aren't the highest bidder. That puts the handcuffs on the scheduler.

I would still think we can do a little better than the 300+ teams but if you wait to long to schedule that will be all that is left. It was nice to land UCLA and Florida etc...from a top 50 standpoint but then we go and reverse the effects on the OC SOS by adding too many lower tier teams. Both of these will have some effect on the committee to a certain extent.

In the end if we can take 2 out of 3 against Florida, X and UCLA and then take at least 1 from WSU...we should be in good shape. If we don't the SOS could come back to bite us a little by dropping our seed 1 or 2 spots.

If we are working from a budget standpoint...when you are out of dollars to spend on buy games...you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel. I don't know if that is how it works but some of our board members should try harping on upping the budget a little so we can compete for more of those ideal buy games.

 

[waterhead]

In principal I would agree with you about the buy games. Of course this assumes something can be done about it from the perspective of who is doing the scheduling.

Those middle tier BUY GAMES (the one's you can beat easily but aren't ranked 300+) are the one's we want to go after. However, almost every major team wants those. They will probably go to the highest bidder on average and we aren't the highest bidder. That puts the handcuffs on the scheduler.

I would still think we can do a little better than the 300+ teams but if you wait to long to schedule that will be all that is left. It was nice to land UCLA and Florida etc...from a top 50 standpoint but then we go and reverse the effects on the OC SOS by adding too many lower tier teams. Both of these will have some effect on the committee to a certain extent.

In the end if we can take 2 out of 3 against Florida, X and UCLA and then take at least 1 from WSU...we should be in good shape. If we don't the SOS could come back to bite us a little by dropping our seed 1 or 2 spots.

Of course in the end...if we win a good portion of our top 50 games with some marquee wins in there and then blow out the 300+ teams our metrics numbers should be just fine. The conference slate should be much better than last year so our overall SOS could go up even with the 300+ teams in the OOC schedule.

It might be a little much to expect we take care of business against every team. You can't just eliminate cold shooting nights by us or hot shooting nights by other teams. I think we will be a better road team this year but playing off campus we will probably not be as good as last year at home.

I guess we will see what we are made of. There are a lot of variables to think about. We won't have a good feel for it until we see the product on the floor which can't come soon enough for me.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I know it's been said before but I hate th e fact this is our most talented team and we are essentially playing our home schedule off campus.

 

[GarradJ21]

yeah I could care less about the kenpom sos or all this other ranking stuff. We have a good schedule and if we take care of business it will be a fun year no matter what seed we get. We need to start taking care of business. We could be a 7 seed and get winnable matchups. We just played a miss seeded UCLA last year. Oh well. Lets just win!

 

[HExus]

Were basically in a position where we have to win the majority of the top 50 games to make up for the 300+ ones.

If this team can't do that they have no business getting a good seed anyway. Just my 2 cents. This team should be able to win the big games, and regardless of seed if you feel you are a championship caliber team you should be able to win regardless of the seed.

I'm not worrying about it at all.

 

[juckerrules]

X plays George Washington, Baylor, Wisconsin and either Kansas St. or Arizona St. before us....who will be better prepared?

 

[bearcat81]

When do single game tickets usually go on sale?

 

[justinhub2003]

X plays George Washington, Baylor, Wisconsin and either Kansas St. or Arizona St. before us....who will be better prepared?

This is not the point. X plays one bad team and then a bunch of good buy games. They understand how to game the rpi. They can afford to play 5 300+ teams bc they are in a good league and yet they don’t.

Like I said before, I’ll forgive UC this time bc of the complexity in scheduling but if they made this schedule and looked back and said we did a great job then they need fired bc they understand noting about gaming the rpi to your advantage when your in a disrespected conference


I love UC and hate X but they also cater to their fans much more than UC does. X realizes they are nothing with out a rabid fan base and they work every year to bring in good teams to play in front of their home crowd.

 

[waterhead]

This is not the point. X plays one bad team and then a bunch of good buy games. They understand how to game the rpi. They can afford to play 5 300+ teams bc they are in a good league and yet they don’t.

Like I said before, I’ll forgive UC this time bc of the complexity in scheduling but if they made this schedule and looked back and said we did a great job then they need fired bc they understand noting about gaming the rpi to your advantage when your in a disrespected conference


I love UC and hate X but they also cater to their fans much more than UC does. X realizes they are nothing with out a rabid fan base and they work every year to bring in good teams to play in front of their home crowd.

Does anyone know how much we pay for buy games vs other major teams? If we aren't paying the necessary dollars then we would be forced to offer something like a home and away which defeats the buy game purpose. Perhaps a home, home, away (for less buy dollars) would be a decent option but still not ideal.

If we don't pay the necessary dollars and we don't want to offer the return away game it's a tough job on the scheduler. I would imagine we know how to game the RPI but maybe the brass isn't willing to. How else can we explain it? I can't imagine the answer is stupidity or ignorance.