I believe that kenpom is a great metric for our good a team is:
So when I say that they were under seeded, I just mean that on paper it looks like a 6 vs 11 matchup, but when yuh compare the quality of each team, it’s much more of a toss up.
If you look at Xavier’s recent tourney success. They played a lot more over seeded teams or had the luck factory break there way.
We just haven’t gotten that lucky break yet
All coaches make mistakes, pretty sure we blew a nice lead vs Colgate, & Bowling Green.
It happens.
It was one of the worst losses in tournament history. Doesn't seem comparable to these other "mistakes". Imagine having a 22 point lead AND getting to play Loyola in the S16.
All coaches make mistakes, pretty sure we blew a nice lead vs Colgate, & Bowling Green.
It happens.
I do feel uc was shafted a lot with playing teams who were under seeded.
When we played Kansas state (won) they were a lot higher in kenpom then other 11 seeds. They were 30, we were 23.. didn’t feel like a 6 vs 11 matchup
Harvard was really good that year and under seeded. What kinda 12 seed Is 32 in kenpom?
UCLA had no business being a 3 seed, they were 31-5
Iowa was 36 in kenpom, we were 35... yet it was a 7 vs 10
Nevada was #23 in kenpom and yet a 7 seed
Without a doubt. That will go down as one of, if not the greatest, all time collapses in NCAA tournament history. For Cronin's best team he has ever assembled and the easiest path to the final four. And he/they blew it. That one still stings, not sure I'll ever get over it.
wait...what?? Pick a stat and go with it. You can't use Kenpom as the golden copy only when it helps your argument. You keep saying it was unfair that UCLA was a 3 seed. Maybe I'm missing something but weren't they 16 in Kempom? If so, 3 seed was more than fair, in fact they could have been a 4 seed. UC was 23 in Kenpom. Seems like a fair matchup to me. And UC was 4 in kenpom the year they lost to Nevada #23 kenpom. Wonder if Navada was complaining about their unfair matchups. Really aren't any excuses.
UC #4 loses to #23 Nevada
UC #23 loses to #16 UCLA
Stop cherry picking.
Without a doubt. That will go down as one of, if not the greatest, all time collapses in NCAA tournament history. For Cronin's best team he has ever assembled and the easiest path to the final four. And he/they blew it. That one still stings, not sure I'll ever get over it.
wait...what?? Pick a stat and go with it. You can't use Kenpom as the golden copy only when it helps your argument. You keep saying it was unfair that UCLA was a 3 seed. Maybe I'm missing something but weren't they 16 in Kempom? If so, 3 seed was more than fair, in fact they could have been a 4 seed. UC was 23 in Kenpom. Seems like a fair matchup to me. And UC was 4 in kenpom the year they lost to Nevada #23 kenpom. Wonder if Navada was complaining about their unfair matchups. Really aren't any excuses.
UC #4 loses to #23 Nevada
UC #23 loses to #16 UCLA
Stop cherry picking.
I didn’t cherry pick. I used the same exact stat.
We didn’t beat UCLA and we weren’t supposed to. We played them
In California.
Feels like you’re the one cherry picking considering I listed a bunch of scenarios and you only called out the UCLA one.
UCLA wasn’t an upset. We weren’t supposed to win and we play them well for 30 min until lonzo ball went off.
But listen. I’m gonna take note of this. And you better keep it consistent from here on out.
When we lose, I should hear this entire board calling out John Brannen. Don’t want to hear any excuses. Because if these aren’t valid then none of your future excuses will be.
BS. You used Kenpom to determine how a team should have been seed to help your argument except with UCLA, who you then ignored Kenpom altogether and said they should have been better than a 3 seed. Complete cherry picking.
haha, ok, go for it. though not sure I understand the similarities of Brannen losing a game to one of the worst collapses in tournament history. but whatever floats your boat.
Keep trying to have a rational discussion with him. Let me know how it goes.
You could go so many different ways with this but until people admit that almost all of cronins teams overachieved big time even his best teams it’s hard to even have that convo. The one year the obvious blown sweet 16 is the toughest and the one everyone remembers for good reason. But overal Cronin took teams to the ncaa and most of the time comfortably with teams that probably weren’t NCAA caliber. Yes Cronin had a few good teams but even those teams over performed during the season.
As time goes on Bearcat fans will realize what Cronin did for this program and keep in mind he did it with outdated facilities not the modem ones we have now. Gonna be interesting to see how Cronin does in March at UCLA once he gets a few recruiting classes under his belt cause if he survives that long he’s gonna have Cincinnati type teams but with more talent
There’s no way around the heart breaks that we’ve had and seasons cut short but if we’re gonna talk about that we also got to factor in all those teams whose seasons were extended by making the dance to begin with when 95% coaches couldn’t of taken those same teams to the dance
You could go so many different ways with this but until people admit that almost all of cronins teams overachieved big time even his best teams it’s hard to even have that convo. The one year the obvious blown sweet 16 is the toughest and the one everyone remembers for good reason. But overal Cronin took teams to the ncaa and most of the time comfortably with teams that probably weren’t NCAA caliber. Yes Cronin had a few good teams but even those teams over performed during the season.
As time goes on Bearcat fans will realize what Cronin did for this program and keep in mind he did it with outdated facilities not the modem ones we have now. Gonna be interesting to see how Cronin does in March at UCLA once he gets a few recruiting classes under his belt cause if he survives that long he’s gonna have Cincinnati type teams but with more talent
There’s no way around the heart breaks that we’ve had and seasons cut short but if we’re gonna talk about that we also got to factor in all those teams whose seasons were extended by making the dance to begin with when 95% coaches couldn’t of taken those same teams to the dance
so you are saying his recruiting was poor? I think most would agree with you.
His recruiting rankings didn’t blow people out of the water:
But he still brought in Bearcats players that will be remembered forever:
Caupain: all time assists leader at UC
Clark: defensive player of the year, player of the year
Sk: second leading scorer in Bearcats history, all American
Jacob Evans: drafted as Jr, after being developed in house
Jarron Cumberland: player of the year
Tre Scott: first double digit rebounder since the 80’s
His bums ass recruits sure left their mark on UC basketball.
you know what he means, stop with the dramatics.
I'm not arguing. It's too early, and I just don't want to. If you don't know what he means, I don't know what to tell you. You are always ready to argue. Not everything is an argument.No I don’t.
Recruits turn into players.
Some of my favorite Bearcats players in the Cronin era. And they also didn’t punch horses or torture people.
I mean it’s weird that Cronin is such an awful recruiter and yet the two players who touched the ball on our last possession are some of the winningest players in Bearcats history.
Mick never tried to wow you with recruiting ranking. But he did bring in many 4 year impactful players and some of them developed into Bearcats legends.
Cronin recruits are all over the history books at UC. Pretty great for an awful recruiting mediocre coach.
I’ve moved on. But it’s pretty offensive to talk crap about micks recruiting when micks recruits just won us the last two games.
I'm not arguing. It's too early, and I just don't want to. If you don't know what he means, I don't know what to tell you. You are always ready to argue. Not everything is an argument.
He’s not trying to argue, your just saying that because he is making a logical statement that you can’t argue with ignorant statements, so now you flip it on him, he’s telling the facts Cronin over achieved. (This will really piss people off) he’s kinda doing his best Lebron imitation, he’s here we are successful, he leaves we fall off dramatically and where he goes, they begin to win again. That’s how you measure success if you want to be honest.
Curious... Huggins, before he left, and I believe Mick
While in the AAC commented on how it’s not easy
to recruit to Cincinnati .
Is this just about conference affiliation ?
Is it about recruiting budget ?