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ZCat said:
So remind me, we were going to try to red shirt him right? Was it approved?
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I would assume so. Haven't heard otherwise and he fit the requirement.

I hope it doesn't take until Diarra's SR year before we get a lot out of him. But if we try to force him to be what he isn't, that's probably how it will go. He doesn't seem like he'll ever be able to fit into a highly structured game at this level. He will need the freedom to play through some stuff. And if he isn't allowed to do that, we shouldn't have recruited him. Especially considering we took him before Bragg was committed anywhere.
 
cincrulz11 said:
Diarra has the greatest chance to produce absolutely nothing out of that class. He was so raw and so far behind. His ceiling might be the highest but I think he's got much too far to go to give us anything this year. I'm just hoping by his sr year he'll be playable.
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I'm not sure how many skills he has other than being able to shoot a decent 3 for a big man and he looks to be a very good shot blocker. He has to develop something else. I'm not sure he can guard a 5 and he can't guard as many positions as Scott. His only offensive skill is a nice shooting touch. He will have a lot to work on. He will have to buy into a role first and that role is not Quadri 2.0. Does he have the work ethic and discipline to play Cronin ball or would he rather score and not play team ball?

This season will tell it all IMO. I hope he "gets it"...he really doesn't have many options other than buying in or transfer.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
I would assume so. Haven't heard otherwise and he fit the requirement.

I hope it doesn't take until Diarra's SR year before we get a lot out of him. But if we try to force him to be what he isn't, that's probably how it will go. He doesn't seem like he'll ever be able to fit into a highly structured game at this level. He will need the freedom to play through some stuff. And if he isn't allowed to do that, we shouldn't have recruited him. Especially considering we took him before Bragg was committed anywhere.
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theres always the issue of what the player wants to be, what the coach wants him to be, and what his handlers tell him he could be. its gotta be so tough for these guys to get pulled in all different directions.
 
Anyone else think that next years team could be very similar to SK’s Senior year?


Only this team has more depth and overall talent.

If jarron plays like SK did, I think will be pretty damn good.
 
justinhub2003 said:
Anyone else think that next years team could be very similar to SK’s Senior year?


Only this team has more depth and overall talent.

If jarron plays like SK did, I think will be pretty damn good.
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i think thats a long shot. SK was an all american. i'd take both post players on that roster over any on this team. inside scoring is what is going to truly hold this team back i fear.
 
cincrulz11 said:
i think thats a long shot. SK was an all american. i'd take both post players on that roster over any on this team. inside scoring is what is going to truly hold this team back i fear.
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Lol you are remembering the same roster I am right ?

Rubles averaged 7 a game and Jackson 11.

Shaq Thomas was our 4th leading scorer.

That was a very shitty roster.
 
cincrulz11 said:
i think thats a long shot. SK was an all american. i'd take both post players on that roster over any on this team. inside scoring is what is going to truly hold this team back i fear.
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I love SK but he was the only good player offensively on that team.
 
justinhub2003 said:
Lol you are remembering the same roster I am right ?

Rubles averaged 7 a game and Jackson 11.

Shaq Thomas was our 4th leading scorer.

That was a very shitty roster.
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realistically who is going to outscore either of them in the post this year? its been a long time since we didn't have anybody that could play inside, but it seems some have forgotten how difficult it is.



can you give me more than 2 guys on this roster you feel comfortable with as primary scorers? do you think moore can be counted on to give us more than jermaine sanders did in 2014 (122.7 ORtg 10.3 TORate 37.6% from 3). If moore can give us that I'd consider it a great year for him. who else is going to give us offense?
 
SK averaged 20.6 PPG
Last year Cumberland was 11.5

That''s not a small difference. Obviously different situations and roster makeups. But that's a big gap for Cumberland just to get even with by this year.

And as for the rest of the team next year, no player has ever averaged 8 ppg at UC. So to knock the supporting cast of SK's team and act like we have so much more now...yeah maybe on paper it looks like it could be that way. But no one has proven it. We *hope* Broome can score more this year. Do we know it'll be more than what Jackson scored? And then what? Fredericks who hasn't played a single game yet? Will he be as valuable as SR year Rubles? Do we know that? Wasn't Rubles like the #2 JUCO player? I like Scott more than most but I'm not sure he's really a 10 ppg guy.

The thing is, when you have a guy scoring 20 ppg, and you play a style that is made to limit possessions, you can't really expect many other guys to have eye popping numbers. So if we think Cumberland can make that leap, there just isn't much left after a couple other guys to score in double figures. You can't be 330th in pace and have a bunch of guys scoring unless you shoot a ridiculous percentage.

Plus, that SK SR year team lost to 12 seed Harvard in the 1st round. I won't be excited if this year's team resembles that one from that standpoint, or a style of play standpoint. But like I've said before, Cumberland conserving energy throughout the season is a perfect excuse for Mick to be the rockfight coach we all know he wants to be.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
SK averaged 20.6 PPG
Last year Cumberland was 11.5

That''s not a small difference. Obviously different situations and roster makeups. But that's a big gap for Cumberland just to get even with by this year.

And as for the rest of the team next year, no player has ever averaged 8 ppg at UC. So to knock the supporting cast of SK's team and act like we have so much more now...yeah maybe on paper it looks like it could be that way. But no one has proven it. We *hope* Broome can score more this year. Do we know it'll be more than what Jackson scored? And then what? Fredericks who hasn't played a single game yet? Will he be as valuable as SR year Rubles? Do we know that? Wasn't Rubles like the #2 JUCO player? I like Scott more than most but I'm not sure he's really a 10 ppg guy.

The thing is, when you have a guy scoring 20 ppg, and you play a style that is made to limit possessions, you can't really expect many other guys to have eye popping numbers. So if we think Cumberland can make that leap, there just isn't much left after a couple other guys to score in double figures. You can't be 330th in pace and have a bunch of guys scoring unless you shoot a ridiculous percentage.

Plus, that SK SR year team lost to 12 seed Harvard in the 1st round. I won't be excited if this year's team resembles that one from that standpoint, or a style of play standpoint. But like I've said before, Cumberland conserving energy throughout the season is a perfect excuse for Mick to be the rockfight coach we all know he wants to be.
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It's crazy how negative youve become. You told people all season, it's about the accomplishments of the season not just the tourney. Yet once we lost in the tourney it's been bash mick over everything, bash the team and underestimate our players. Dude we all still sit and think about what ifs and whys over last years finish. But when does it end? I guarantee you we have an 11ppg guy and a 7ppg guy on our team this year. Our supporting cast is MUCH better then SK sr year. Maybe not defensively, but offensively that are far more gifted. And when you're talking Cumberlands average last year vs SK senior year, of course it was a huge difference. But he's going from fourth to first option. I'd be really surprised if Jaron doesn't average nearly 20 this season, and I'd bet he's over 17 for sure.
 
Jon Rycek said:
It's crazy how negative youve become. You told people all season, it's about the accomplishments of the season not just the tourney. Yet once we lost in the tourney it's been bash mick over everything, bash the team and underestimate our players. Dude we all still sit and think about what ifs and whys over last years finish. But when does it end? I guarantee you we have an 11ppg guy and a 7ppg guy on our team this year. Our supporting cast is MUCH better then SK sr year. Maybe not defensively, but offensively that are far more gifted. And when you're talking Cumberlands average last year vs SK senior year, of course it was a huge difference. But he's going from fourth to first option. I'd be really surprised if Jaron doesn't average nearly 20 this season, and I'd bet he's over 17 for sure.
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First bolded part: What are you basing that on? What you hope?

Second bolded part: That's why I said obviously different situations and different roster makeup. But it's still a big gap to close.

I don't see what's so negative about my post tbh. Sorry I don't buy into things blindly? And you once again seem to not realize that the biggest collapse in NCAA Tournament history changes things for some people. Not you, obviously. But for some of us, it really creates doubt. Especially when the returning team only accounted for 50% of the scoring for a program that struggles for offense.

I'm not going to be all rainbows and sunshine. So probably stop reading my posts. Especially if the one above is even too much for you to handle.

This isn't a propaganda site. And if you think UC fans aren't/shouldn't be concerned about next season, you have your head buried in the sand.
 
I don't know about sunshine and rainbows but I am expecting a very good year. I am convinced in huge jumps for Keith W./ Cane B./ Trevon S. and some improvement in Nysier B. and Trevor M. Hopefully Logan J./ Fredericks and Hardnett? can be adequate.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
First bolded part: What are you basing that on? What you hope?

Second bolded part: That's why I said obviously different situations and different roster makeup. But it's still a big gap to close.

I don't see what's so negative about my post tbh. Sorry I don't buy into things blindly? And you once again seem to not realize that the biggest collapse in NCAA Tournament history changes things for some people. Not you, obviously. But for some of us, it really creates doubt. Especially when the returning team only accounted for 50% of the scoring for a program that struggles for offense.

I'm not going to be all rainbows and sunshine. So probably stop reading my posts. Especially if the one above is even too much for you to handle.

This isn't a propaganda site. And if you think UC fans aren't/shouldn't be concerned about next season, you have your head buried in the sand.
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I'm not concerned, so call me an ostrich. And I'm basing it off what I saw all year, not what I hope, but what I expect. I'm disappointed, but I don't doubt all of our talent now because of what happened. We still got six months, I'll stay positive til they give me a reason to doubt them.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
First bolded part: What are you basing that on? What you hope?

Second bolded part: That's why I said obviously different situations and different roster makeup. But it's still a big gap to close.

I don't see what's so negative about my post tbh. Sorry I don't buy into things blindly? And you once again seem to not realize that the biggest collapse in NCAA Tournament history changes things for some people. Not you, obviously. But for some of us, it really creates doubt. Especially when the returning team only accounted for 50% of the scoring for a program that struggles for offense.

I'm not going to be all rainbows and sunshine. So probably stop reading my posts. Especially if the one above is even too much for you to handle.

This isn't a propaganda site. And if you think UC fans aren't/shouldn't be concerned about next season, you have your head buried in the sand.
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I wouldn't be concerned based on the fact that every year we lose players and yet every year we are back in the tournament.

I kind of agree with the SK senior year comparison. It is similar in that our offense will flow through one player (Cumberland) but our offense especially in the backcourt is going to be much better next year compared to SK's senior season. Backcourt's rule college basketball and we are going to have an above average one next year with Cumberland and Broome.
 
Ok I got bored and put together the next 3 years of Bearcats starting lineups. And I think I like everything I see with Year 3 starting 5 looking really good (Obviously need bench players and bigs).

Here is next season (2018-19):
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Here is 19-20:
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Here is 2020-21:
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justinhub2003 said:
Ok I got bored and put together the next 3 years of Bearcats starting lineups. And I think I like everything I see with Year 3 starting 5 looking really good (Obviously need bench players and bigs).

Here is next season (2018-19):
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Here is 19-20:
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Here is 2020-21:
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Looks pretty lean! I think you did it again.
 
I love playing the future game, but no one can see the future and ever predict several years ago Jermaine Lawrence would be a total bust and Clark would be an all time program player.

We just have to hit another Home run with Logan Johnson, Samari Curtis, someone.
 

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