Future teams

[beeman7467]

I know it was Big East, but Mick had his better classes his first years. He fell off cliff lately though really doesn't matter at this point.

You'd like to think that conference affiliation doesn't make that much difference in perception (especially since the Bearcats at the ones in the AAC ), but it does. You can succeed without it, Gonzaga, but it surely helps a bunch. Mick started with very little and built them into a competitive program in one of the country's toughest conferences. Gotta be tough leaving that for their current league. I like CJB's attitude and look forward to seeing what he accomplishes here. For him, the AAC is huge step up and not a hindrance to success (Mick's attitude - my opinion). Given the situation, CJB hit a home run out of the gate. Hopefully not too much to ask, but some Brad Stevens-esque success would be fantastic.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

You'd like to think that conference affiliation doesn't make that much difference in perception (especially since the Bearcats at the ones in the AAC ), but it does. You can succeed without it, Gonzaga, but it surely helps a bunch. Mick started with very little and built them into a competitive program in one of the country's toughest conferences. Gotta be tough leaving that for their current league. I like CJB's attitude and look forward to seeing what he accomplishes here. For him, the AAC is huge step up and not a hindrance to success (Mick's attitude - my opinion). Given the situation, CJB hit a home run out of the gate. Hopefully not too much to ask, but some Brad Stevens-esque success would be fantastic.

Mick didn't have players on the roster but they were competitive before Mick got here. I agree Micks attitude or lack of belief that it is possible to recruit and win at the highest level at UC was the reason they didn't. All the fans should be ecstatic that Brannen does. He obviously has to be able to coach too, but I have no doubts about his ability to coach. Mick leaving I think will be good for both parties. He's at a program he believes in and we have a coach that believes in this program. This is a must for high level success.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I think he also said his teams were always 1st or 2nd in AAC in scoring every year. I didn't check every year but I saw 3rd, 4th and 7th the last 3 years.

I am guessing he meant efficiency...but that's not what recruits are looking at. Disconnected

ESPN stats has UC listed in order from 1st season of aac to the last 9th 10th 6th 1st 3rd and 8th aac team ppg he's straight up lying is what he's doing once is hardly every year. If I had to guess I'd say they never finished top 2 in big east in scoring.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I know it was Big East, but Mick had his better classes his first years. He fell off cliff lately though really doesn't matter at this point.

His best team was the one from 17/18 season though. That was four years after big east. Recruiting rankings are overrated. Take out kilpatrick and Lance and the five other best players from Cronin era in my opinion were on that team. Evans, Cumberland, Clark, Washington, and Caupain

 

[prancer]

His best team was the one from 17/18 season though. That was four years after big east. Recruiting rankings are overrated. Take out kilpatrick and Lance and the five other best players from Cronin era in my opinion were on that team. Evans, Cumberland, Clark, Washington, and Caupain

Caupain wasn't on that team. He graduated the year before. Even so, the 17/18 team was great.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Caupain wasn't on that team. He graduated the year before. Even so, the 17/18 team was great.

Yeah my bad they had all five together the year before.

 

[juckerrules]

You'd like to think that conference affiliation doesn't make that much difference in perception (especially since the Bearcats at the ones in the AAC ), but it does. You can succeed without it, Gonzaga, but it surely helps a bunch. Mick started with very little and built them into a competitive program in one of the country's toughest conferences. Gotta be tough leaving that for their current league. I like CJB's attitude and look forward to seeing what he accomplishes here. For him, the AAC is huge step up and not a hindrance to success (Mick's attitude - my opinion). Given the situation, CJB hit a home run out of the gate. Hopefully not too much to ask, but some Brad Stevens-esque success would be fantastic.

Memphis doesn't seem to be having much of a problem recruiting in the AAC

 

[TheRealMick]

Memphis doesn't seem to be having much of a problem recruiting in the AAC

Mick just didn't recruit players he couldn't be their daddy. Outside of Broome and mick didn't like him to well, which player had a daddy around program? One way or another most top 100 have some type of male figure around(mick called them handlers) them more than Mick liked. Lol, think about it mainly all Mick's pets had their mom's with closest relationship to coach.

 

[TheRealMick]

Whenever daddy, uncle or aau coach was involved with player mick and his main man Chad SCREAMED we not getting in recruiting battle with that player HANDLERS!

 

[Alum2013]

You'd like to think that conference affiliation doesn't make that much difference in perception (especially since the Bearcats at the ones in the AAC ), but it does. You can succeed without it, Gonzaga, but it surely helps a bunch. Mick started with very little and built them into a competitive program in one of the country's toughest conferences. Gotta be tough leaving that for their current league. I like CJB's attitude and look forward to seeing what he accomplishes here. For him, the AAC is huge step up and not a hindrance to success (Mick's attitude - my opinion). Given the situation, CJB hit a home run out of the gate. Hopefully not too much to ask, but some Brad Stevens-esque success would be fantastic.

Do you think it's possible over the last few years people, coaches, and kids have realized Mick is never going to change? With seeing the way the game is moving more towards offense and the type if kids that get drafted you need to show an offensive game/athleticism and that is very difficult in Micks system compared to others. I think the book eventually came out on Mick not knowing how to coach offense and that has lead to a decrease in offensive minded players.

 

[TheRealMick]

Do you think it's possible over the last few years people, coaches, and kids have realized Mick is never going to change? With seeing the way the game is moving more towards offense and the type if kids that get drafted you need to show an offensive game/athleticism and that is very difficult in Micks system compared to others. I think the book eventually came out on Mick not knowing how to coach offense and that has lead to a decrease in offensive minded players.

I just posted basically same thing on other thread. Mick coached for guts didn't bail on him to go pro early. He tried his best do everything possible so Lance wasn't one and done. Nail in coffin with mick was Lawrence situation also, after that he seen all his high level recruits just never seemed pan out with him.

 

[beeman7467]

Do you think it's possible over the last few years people, coaches, and kids have realized Mick is never going to change? With seeing the way the game is moving more towards offense and the type if kids that get drafted you need to show an offensive game/athleticism and that is very difficult in Micks system compared to others. I think the book eventually came out on Mick not knowing how to coach offense and that has lead to a decrease in offensive minded players.

Absolutely. It’s why I think he struggles at UCLA. They want to win 98-90, not 60-58. Unless he’s winning titles (it can be done, see Virginia), it will quickly get old. He can get all the elite athletes he wants, but if you can’t teach them how to score (or it’s not part of your philosophy), good luck.

 

[Alum2013]

Absolutely. It’s why I think he struggles at UCLA. They want to win 98-90, not 60-58. Unless he’s winning titles (it can be done, see Virginia), it will quickly get old. He can get all the elite athletes he wants, but if you can’t teach them how to score (or it’s not part of your philosophy), good luck.

Agreed, I see it the same way. With multiple NBA talents on one team we managed an okay offense. That many good players and all we got was okay. Personally I believe it was in spite of Cronin we averaged that many and he typically will hold an offense back rather than cultivate into something productive.

 

[sirthought]

Looks like Hardnett is transfering to Buffalo. No idea if he'll get a waiver to play right away. I wish him the best of luck.

 

[juckerrules]

Looks like Hardnett is transfering to Buffalo. No idea if he'll get a waiver to play right away. I wish him the best of luck.

Good for him - they were a really good team last year, perhaps better than UC...32-4 beat ASU in tourney then ran into a bad match-up against Texas Tech who were an OT loss from being Nat champs

 

[waterhead]

Going to take a different approach to minutes this year since it's so hard to figure out how Brannen will use them and how much development certain players have gone through. Three tiers

25+ minute players

Cumberland
Scott
Williams
Cumberland

12-24 minutes

McNeal
Diara
Sorolla
Harvey

0-11 minutes

Moore
Prince
MAW
Davenport

You never know who is going to step up and play beyond expectation and which players (if any) are not ready to contribute. The above list is also my general rank for most to least minutes as I see it now with limited info.

 

[skyblade]

Going to take a different approach to minutes this year since it's so hard to figure out how Brannen will use them and how much development certain players have gone through. Three tiers

25+ minute players

Cumberland
Scott
Williams
Cumberland

12-24 minutes

McNeal
Diara
Sorolla
Harvey

0-11 minutes

Moore
Prince
MAW
Davenport

You never know who is going to step up and play beyond expectation and which players (if any) are not ready to contribute. The above list is also my general rank for most to least minutes as I see it now with limited info.

I agree with your tier one, but the only one I'd drop Harvey and Sorolla from tier two and replace them with Moore and Prince.

I think Moore is going to get more minutes then a lot of people are expecting, perhaps even being our go to sixth man. He can play PF in a small lineup and plays solid defense. All he needs is for his shot to start falling. I doubt he would still be here if he was expected to get less than 10 minutes per game, especially seeing as Brannen doesn't seem adverse to pushing players out.

Harvey missed much of summer practice and has been rehabbing an ankle injury for the last seven months. I know people are expecting a lot because he's a four star, but I don't see him doing much this year.

Sorolla I see as situational. I don't think he brings much on the offensive end. Some games he will get 15-20 minutes when we need to go big, but I think he averages a bit under 10. I've been watching some of his games and I still don't see anything special from him. His entire offense is set screens and roll to the basket - catch and dunk if the defense breaks-down covering him. He can't post-up well - though he does turn it over a lot when he tries - can't shoot and is lazy on going for rebounds.

Prince we will see on, but I think for this year he is the freshman likely to get the most minutes. PF doesn't have much depth and he has the size to body guys inside.

 

[waterhead]

I agree with your tier one, but the only one I'd drop Harvey and Sorolla from tier two and replace them with Moore and Prince.

I think Moore is going to get more minutes then a lot of people are expecting, perhaps even being our go to sixth man. He can play PF in a small lineup and plays solid defense. All he needs is for his shot to start falling. I doubt he would still be here if he was expected to get less than 10 minutes per game, especially seeing as Brannen doesn't seem adverse to pushing players out.

Harvey missed much of summer practice and has been rehabbing an ankle injury for the last seven months. I know people are expecting a lot because he's a four star, but I don't see him doing much this year.

Sorolla I see as situational. I don't think he brings much on the offensive end. Some games he will get 15-20 minutes when we need to go big, but I think he averages a bit under 10. I've been watching some of his games and I still don't see anything special from him. His entire offense is set screens and roll to the basket - catch and dunk if the defense breaks-down covering him. He can't post-up well - though he does turn it over a lot when he tries - can't shoot and is lazy on going for rebounds.

Prince we will see on, but I think for this year he is the freshman likely to get the most minutes. PF doesn't have much depth and he has the size to body guys inside.

Moore isn’t a ball handler that can push the break. Brannen is going to want his guards to push pace. Most of Moore’s value comes as a shooter so it’s going to have to click for him. Harvey and C2 can both handle better

 

[TheRealMick]

Happy Independence Day Brothas

 

[skyblade]

Moore isn’t a ball handler that can push the break. Brannen is going to want his guards to push pace. Most of Moore’s value comes as a shooter so it’s going to have to click for him. Harvey and C2 can both handle better

If Moore is going to get virtually no minutes, why is he still here? Moore provides value as a veteran and as a solid defender who can guard positions 1-4. If his shot starts falling, his ability to stretch the floor would more than compensate for weaker ball handling. Brannen isn't going to forget about defense and good defenders are still going to be valuable in his system.

We don't really know how valuable ball handlers will be with Brannen. Under Brannen, NKU's teams have been ranked 143 (2019), 159 (2018), 189 (2017) and 220 (2016) in adjusted tempo. I'm a little skeptical that Brannen is going to have UC playing faster than he played at NKU.

Going off the players we have (since it's hard to get players who can do everything), there doesn't seem to be much of a focus on any one skill.