Future teams

[justinhub2003]

Does the big east have more money than the aac?

Absolutely

 

[justinhub2003]

he's got 2 years to make it to .500, 5 years to make a tournament, and 13 years to make 1 sweet 16. those are the extremely high mick cronin standards we hold around here.

Nope.


My guy, mick left him with a team ready to compete today. The opposite of what mick inherited in the best league ever created .

If he did that, I’d expected him fired ASAP and mike Bohn as well

 

[justinhub2003]

This does not sound like you are all in. Sounds like you are looking for reason to call for his head. Sounds like you can’t wait to call for his head. Sounds like you can’t wait to say, I told you so. That mick is the best coach we could ever get. But maybe this isn’t what your saying

I absolutely hope and pray he exceeds Mick’s standard


But if he doesn’t, your damn right I’ll make sure to let every one know how we used to have it.


I want Brannen to succeed through and through.

I hope he steals an elite recruiter and we start killing the recruiting trail . I truly do.

But I will also have to see it first

 

[justinhub2003]

You can cry about mick leaving forever, like the Huggins people that are still crying 20 years later or you can move on. Really that simple. He’s not coming back

I’m not crying about Cronin leaving.

My reaction is based on the last 3-4 years on message boards hearing from countless people how bad mick is, how great of a job UC is nationally, and how much better we can do.

I defended thx program then. And now I’m ready for that new glorious era of post mick Cronin basketball that I was promised.

I’m not being a Debbie downer. I’m on cloud 9... the Wooden era has arrived at cincinnati and I’m ready for it

 

[cincrulz11]

Nope.


My guy, mick left him with a team ready to compete today. The opposite of what mick inherited in the best league ever created .

If he did that, I’d expected him fired ASAP and mike Bohn as well

they won't be if multiple people leave and they wouldn't have been next year with mick if cumberland was going to leave.



if cumberland leaves next year could be meh, and the players mick has here for beyond that aren't exactly looking spectacular. recruiting has really dropped lately, so much so we're banking on a top 150 guy and acting like he's a top 10 guy.


Cumberland was the last of the guys that were clearly good players as freshman. Caupain, Clark, Jake, Cumberland. We had been getting 1 a year. That hasn't been the case lately. The recruiting clearly fell off (and was never great).

 

[Patrick Bateman]

they won't be if multiple people leave and they wouldn't have been next year with mick if cumberland was going to leave.



if cumberland leaves next year could be meh, and the players mick has here for beyond that aren't exactly looking spectacular. recruiting has really dropped lately, so much so we're banking on a top 150 guy and acting like he's a top 10 guy.


Cumberland was the last of the guys that were clearly good players as freshman. Caupain, Clark, Jake, Cumberland. We had been getting 1 a year. That hasn't been the case lately. The recruiting clearly fell off (and was never great).

I really think that Mick saw this as well as league is much improved and teams on his heels with coaches like Hurley, Penny, Kelvin and Marshall building programs (with recruits Mick said wouldnt come to the AAC). Not to mention bottom feeders USF and Tulane looking to improve with Brian Gregory and Ron Hunter

 

[mdchick]

Absolutely

With no football conference and they have to play on FS1 when we play our games on espn, that’s surprising

 

[cincrulz11]

With no football conference and they have to play on FS1 when we play our games on espn, that’s surprising

FS1 went nuts and gave them a ton of money because FS1 was wanting to compete with ESPN. I think ratings wise it really back fired for them.

 

[cincyalum2014]

I will be the first to say I was a Cronin guy, Cronin did a great job of turning this program around and brought us out of that disaster Huggins left us in. Micks philosophy was taking under recruited guys and developing them over time. Guys like Gary Clark, Troy Caupain etc. We got a few top 50-100 signings in Jacob Evans and Jarron Cumberland (who I don't think we would of got if he didn't live 40 minute away from UC). But Mick always did more with less and he was able to keep UC relevant.

Now with that being I would of been okay if Mick would had stayed but I think his time had kind of run it course here. I think it was time for a change between both Mick and UC. If he would of stayed I am sure we would remain in the top 3 or 4 in the American, have a chance at the conference title every year, win 20+ games and make the tourney almost every year, then lose in the first or second round, maybe make a sweet 16 one random year.

I am excited to see what Brannen can do, change can be scary for everyone who is involved with this program because there is so much unknown, with Cronin what you saw is what you got, a good usually underrated team in a lower conference who under performed in march. But he won games and that's what kept us coming back hoping for more. Only time will tell what JB can do and I am pretty excited to see how it plays out.

 

[waterhead]

I absolutely hope and pray he exceeds Mick’s standard


But if he doesn’t, your damn right I’ll make sure to let every one know how we used to have it.


I want Brannen to succeed through and through.

I hope he steals an elite recruiter and we start killing the recruiting trail . I truly do.

But I will also have to see it first

Sounds to me like you want a deliberate decision maker to hit the ground running and make some hasty decisions on recruits and coaches. That would be a recipe for disaster.

IMO there was nothing worse on this board than when we would have a bad game and we would hear about how awful we were going to be. Classic over reaction. Looks like you are falling into that trap before the man can sign his first recruit or see if he can hold onto the roster or find a top notch recruiter on short notice.

There were a lot of people on the boards who thought we could do better than Cronin but there were a lot who didn't see it that way and a lot more who felt like we maybe could and maybe couldn't.

Bottom line we have a new coach and I am fully behind the guy and the program and I am not going to flip out over every little thing that doesn't go our way. I want to see how he does in the 2020 class. I hope he can hang onto most of the roster. If Cumberland doesn't come back it's maybe 50-50 on whether we can make the dance. I think Cronin would have been able to do it with HIS recruits...but Brannen has to be able to put his style of player in place before we can judge his real worth.

 

[justinhub2003]

they won't be if multiple people leave and they wouldn't have been next year with mick if cumberland was going to leave.



if cumberland leaves next year could be meh, and the players mick has here for beyond that aren't exactly looking spectacular. recruiting has really dropped lately, so much so we're banking on a top 150 guy and acting like he's a top 10 guy.


Cumberland was the last of the guys that were clearly good players as freshman. Caupain, Clark, Jake, Cumberland. We had been getting 1 a year. That hasn't been the case lately. The recruiting clearly fell off (and was never great).

Tell me why the recruiting fell off ?

What big change happened to UC?

Mick had 3 5 star players commit while he was in the big east.

Zero in the AAC.

Let’s see what Brannen can do. He already took an L on a grad transfer and an L on a P5 assistant.

He’s most likely not getting the best assistant from his nku staff


This is where a pragmatic idealist meets the harsh reality.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

Sounds to me like you want a deliberate decision maker to hit the ground running and make some hasty decisions on recruits and coaches. That would be a recipe for disaster.

IMO there was nothing worse on this board than when we would have a bad game and we would hear about how awful we were going to be. Classic over reaction. Looks like you are falling into that trap before the man can sign his first recruit or see if he can hold onto the roster or find a top notch recruiter on short notice.

There were a lot of people on the boards who thought we could do better than Cronin but there were a lot who didn't see it that way and a lot more who felt like we maybe could and maybe couldn't.

Bottom line we have a new coach and I am fully behind the guy and the program and I am not going to flip out over every little thing that doesn't go our way. I want to see how he does in the 2020 class. I hope he can hang onto most of the roster. If Cumberland doesn't come back it's maybe 50-50 on whether we can make the dance. I think Cronin would have been able to do it with HIS recruits...but Brannen has to be able to put his style of player in place before we can judge his real worth.

Doesnt look like cumberland got an invite to the NBA combine...

 

[justinhub2003]

With no football conference and they have to play on FS1 when we play our games on espn, that’s surprising

Ummm.


If we drop off. Best believe we will play a good bulk of our games on espn+

 

[indydoug]

Also.....


I never said I gave up on John Brannen. I just think he expected that upgrading from NKU to cincinnati meant it was going to be easy to land top recruits and top assistants.


Once the games start... I’ll be all in


But right now, all I can grade him on is what he’s done. Thus far he’s had very little celebrate.


Literally he is able to turn us into NKU 2.0 staff wise if he doesn’t make a splash hire soon.


Also.... if Brannen gets us rolling, I’ll be happy too: I’ll still go to every single game regardless but I do have high expectations. In fact my expectations of John Brannen are higher than that of most UCLA fans of mick Cronin

Breathe...it'll be OK.

 

[justinhub2003]

Doesnt look like cumberland got an invite to the NBA combine...

So if he returns with the returning player of the year, we should absolutely expect him to make the tourney next year.

Probably should expect him to make noise too

 

[waterhead]

So if he returns with the returning player of the year, we should absolutely expect him to make the tourney next year.

Probably should expect him to make noise too

I would definitely expect him to make the tourney but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't given that he is working with another coaches recruits. But I guess you could say if he is a step up from Cronin he should be able to work some magic even if the players don't match his style.

Still not easy to have a team of players learn a whole new system and expect them to come out year one and have it perfected.

His 2020 recruits will be his first batch of HS players geared for his system. I fully expect to give the guy 3-4 years to see how that pans out. He is trying to fill holes this year with one year players that won't be around the following year...and we will also lose Scott, Cumberland and Brooks for sure by then.

By 2021 he will have some HS recruits and a few players on our current roster who know the system. Johnson and Curtis hopefully. Gillam and Hardnett etc. 2020 could have 6 or more new players. I think 2021 and maybe even 2022 to see some real results from his plan. If it happens sooner then I think we have our man.

 

[waterhead]

Doesnt look like cumberland got an invite to the NBA combine...

Well I hope that means good things for us. That would be a huge boost for Brannen. Especially if both Curtis and Johnson stick around. I am a little less hopeful for Brooks but I think we can manage to fill the hole without too much of a loss there whether it's current players or a transfer big.

 

[justinhub2003]

Well I hope that means good things for us. That would be a huge boost for Brannen. Especially if both Curtis and Johnson stick around. I am a little less hopeful for Brooks but I think we can manage to fill the hole without too much of a loss there whether it's current players or a transfer big.

Brooks is on a visit to Miami right now

 

[beeman7467]

Nope.


My guy, mick left him with a team ready to compete today. The opposite of what mick inherited in the best league ever created .

If he did that, I’d expected him fired ASAP and mike Bohn as well

Serious question. Tell me where you think Mick Cronin ranked in terms of coaches nationally? Top 5? Top 10? Top 50? Top 100? Real number, not a range.

 

[justinhub2003]

Serious question. Tell me where you think Mick Cronin ranked in terms of coaches nationally? Top 5? Top 10? Top 50? Top 100? Real number, not a range.

I'd say roughly 20-25...


Paying him 2.5 million would have made him the 40th highest paid coach.