Houston Part II

[cliftonballer]

We were both rooting for the same team today. Sure WE both did not like the results of the game. I am really pulling for the American. This league is going to be very good.

I am, too. That's why I'm concerned. Penny has a monster class coming in. His team of Tubby and Pastner leftovers gave us all we could handle. Hurley is a maniac and his energy and passion is unmatched. His skeleton crew Uconn team gave us fits. He will recruit and have Uconn back quick I believe. Dawkins teams have given us fits he's trending in right direction. Sampson can flat out coach and put teams together. And his team just smoked us. Gregg Marshall same way. I'm happy for the league but am VERY concerned for us when recruiting and excitement has stagnated. I hope I am wrong and it elevates Cronin's coaching and recruiting but we are really going to see what he's made of the next couple years.

 

[cincycpaw]

Kind of a disappointing reality check. I think we have over achieved on the season... with that being said, what a let down game.

Nysier played great. Jarron played solid. Everyone else kind laid an egg.

Not sure I've seen a more dominant 8 minute stretch. Up six at the 13 min mark and just got hammered in every aspect of the game.

O and Houston / Corey Davis jr .... Really good.

This.

Tough way to go out. I especially hate that the team quit and so did mick. Hate that.

Houston is really good and Davis is a terrific player. Hard not to see how special he is.

Brooks played terrific. I don’t know why we didn’t feed him more in the second. I know theyvstarted to double, but that frees people up. It is frustrating how mnaubwasy shots good teams get against us and how much we struggle.

Over achieved? Perhaps. We will see if they wish to step up and fix this mess or if they are going to lay down and have no shot at winning in the NCAA tournament. The quit I watched today was embarrassing.

 

[Bearcats92]

I am, too. That's why I'm concerned. Penny has a monster class coming in. His team of Tubby and Pastner leftovers gave us all we could handle. Hurley is a maniac and his energy and passion is unmatched. His skeleton crew Uconn team gave us fits. He will recruit and have Uconn back quick I believe. Dawkins teams have given us fits he's trending in right direction. Sampson can flat out coach and put teams together. And his team just smoked us. Gregg Marshall same way. I'm happy for the league but am VERY concerned for us when recruiting and excitement has stagnated. I hope I am wrong and it elevates Cronin's coaching and recruiting but we are really going to see what he's made of the next couple years.

Exactly what I said earlier. I’m excited that the American is getting better but we might see Mick go from being the second or third best coach in the conference to fifth best.

 

[AZ BEARCAT]

I am, too. That's why I'm concerned. Penny has a monster class coming in. His team of Tubby and Pastner leftovers gave us all we could handle. Hurley is a maniac and his energy and passion is unmatched. His skeleton crew Uconn team gave us fits. He will recruit and have Uconn back quick I believe. Dawkins teams have given us fits he's trending in right direction. Sampson can flat out coach and put teams together. And his team just smoked us. Gregg Marshall same way. I'm happy for the league but am VERY concerned for us when recruiting and excitement has stagnated. I hope I am wrong and it elevates Cronin's coaching and recruiting but we are really going to see what he's made of the next couple years.

GREAT POST !! agree 100% if this league is as well coached and recruited as these great coaches can, then we all will find out real soon if Cronin can stay on top of this league with no recruiting excuses. Until then go CATS !!

 

[AZ BEARCAT]

Exactly what I said earlier. I’m excited that the American is getting better but we might see Mick go from being the second or third best coach in the conference to fifth best.

Agree !!!!

 

[HarryBosch]

If this league is as bad as you think it is then yes we have a problem.

I didn't say I thought the AAC was so bad, I'm saying UC was lucky to do as well as they did. Their luck certainly ran out today. and reality reared its ugly head.

 

[Mcginnjw]

I am, too. That's why I'm concerned. Penny has a monster class coming in. His team of Tubby and Pastner leftovers gave us all we could handle. Hurley is a maniac and his energy and passion is unmatched. His skeleton crew Uconn team gave us fits. He will recruit and have Uconn back quick I believe. Dawkins teams have given us fits he's trending in right direction. Sampson can flat out coach and put teams together. And his team just smoked us. Gregg Marshall same way. I'm happy for the league but am VERY concerned for us when recruiting and excitement has stagnated. I hope I am wrong and it elevates Cronin's coaching and recruiting but we are really going to see what he's made of the next couple years.

I absolutely agree with this post. I am also concerned about how good this league is getting and our recruiting struggles. I think the 2020 class will dictate the future of this program under Cronin. I 100% agree that if Cronin can’t pull off a stellar class in 2020 he will likely be unable to compete and probably be inevitably let go. We will probably start losing a lot more and not be able to get to the tournament. If we aren’t winning, competing for conference titles, and making the tournament then I will want a new coach. However, that is all hypothetical at this point.....but still concerning.

 

[collards]

I absolutely agree with this post. I am also concerned about how good this league is getting and our recruiting struggles. I think the 2020 class will dictate the future of this program under Cronin. I 100% agree that if Cronin can’t pull off a stellar class in 2020 he will likely be unable to compete and probably be inevitably let go. We will probably start losing a lot more and not be able to get to the tournament. If we aren’t winning, competing for conference titles, and making the tournament then I will want a new coach. However, that is all hypothetical at this point.....but still concerning.

Well they will never get in the tournament by quitting as they did today. MC should be called into the ADs office tomorrow with the Head of the UCATS there.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

How do you think this top 20 team would do in the ACC, or the Big 10, or the Big 12? Not 25-5 I suspect.

If we were recruiting players to play in the ACC, Big 10 or Big 12 over time I'm sure we'd fare just as well. It goes both ways.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

Amen. Cronin harps on this and to his credit he lives it. That said he is not above reproach and accepting virtually no runs in the tournament is a big trade off. I am willing to accept it but think his good quality of loyaltiy became a liability this year with Jennifer.

Get over your obsession with Logan Johnson and bashing of Justin Jenifer. Jenifer plays well in Cronins system and when its Logans turn I think we all assume he will too. As it stands now Logan is an athletic spark to the defense and nothing else. He gets completely lost in our system on defense leaving his man (aka open shots), makes lazy, telegraphed passes and cant shoot. Playing against directional schools in November would not have changed this. Jenifer isnt an all-American and he had a bad day today but he plays hard and shoots well and doesnt turn the ball over. In two years as a starter he led the team to a 56-10 record. Also if Logan Johnson chooses to transfer like you naively keep saying then I say good riddance because he isn't the type of player we need or want on this team if he were to do that. Truth is there is no merit to your statements. Johnson was interviewed recently and it was pretty clear he was happy here and understood his role and how he had to wait and learn to play.

This board over the years has lost plenty of good, rational posters over this boards obsession from time to time to Mick bash and player bash. Whereas a fan board should be open to all opinions and honest critiques of players and coaches, there also is a lost notion that fans of a team dont want to come onto a safe space to discuss a team they love and have to read negative after negative reviews of the team they love so dear. Put me squarely in that circle. I love this team and have been on this board since its inception in 2010. But I dont come here to listen to people bash players and the coach and that is why so many people leave the site year after year. I understand being frustrated at losing. We got embarrassed on our own floor today. We probably wont make it out of the first weekend of the tourney yet again. There is a clear hole in this team that wont be corrected in the next two weeks, it just wont. Do we need to constantly harp on the negative or can we appreciate what is going right? Rant over

 

[cliftonballer]

I absolutely agree with this post. I am also concerned about how good this league is getting and our recruiting struggles. I think the 2020 class will dictate the future of this program under Cronin. I 100% agree that if Cronin can’t pull off a stellar class in 2020 he will likely be unable to compete and probably be inevitably let go. We will probably start losing a lot more and not be able to get to the tournament. If we aren’t winning, competing for conference titles, and making the tournament then I will want a new coach. However, that is all hypothetical at this point.....but still concerning.

Well, I'm glad we can all agree on something. In a weird way I believe that losing may be Cronin's best medicine at this point. He's won half court rock fights at such a high clip in the formative AAC's years he's become "kennel blind" to a degree. When you start losing then you're forced to do some soul searching and retooling of your team and philosophy. When you win at a high percentage you don't feel the need to change much obviously. Mick hasn't lost a lot so he can justify continuing his style of play and philosophy. Some of Mick's rag tag underdog Big East teams were at least kinda fun to watch and would occasionally take down top tier teams. When's the last time he's beaten a highly ranked team? I do not want to play Memphis because Penny is out for blood with how much he's lost to us and he's bringing in the horses to do it. There's going to be a lot of coaches who want to unseat Mick and our program as the premier team in our league. Houston pretty much just did that. So maybe losing will force Cronin to do some serious reflection and reignite his energy and passion. When I saw Hurley going nuts on the Uconn sideline hyping the crowd up majorily and fiercely cheering on his players, I just thought, man, that is what we need big time.

 

[cincycpaw]

Nice rant. LoJo did hit a 3 today. Justin couldn’t hit the Ohio River from the Roebking bridge today. Maybe wrong day for the rant?

That was just not a good effort in that second half. All Bearcat fans on edge as we should be. Time to learn from it and move on.

It would be nice to have a point guard that can create shots for people

 

[AZ BEARCAT]

Well they will never get in the tournament by quitting as they did today. MC should be called into the ADs office tomorrow with the Head of the UCATS there.

Mick would say we lost on purpose so we can be in the 2,3 seed and avoid the UCF and home team Memphis against the number one seed. LOL

 

[cincycpaw]

Well, I'm glad we can all agree on something. In a weird way I believe that losing may be Cronin's best medicine at this point. He's won half court rock fights at such a high clip in the formative AAC's years he's become "kennel blind" to a degree. When you start losing then you're forced to do some soul searching and retooling of your team and philosophy. When you win at a high percentage you don't feel the need to change much obviously. Mick hasn't lost a lot so he can justify continuing his style of play and philosophy. Some of Mick's rag tag underdog Big East teams were at least kinda fun to watch and would occasionally take down top tier teams. When's the last time he's beaten a highly ranked team? I do not want to play Memphis because Penny is out for blood with how much he's lost to us and he's bringing in the horses to do it. There's going to be a lot of coaches who want to unseat Mick and our program as the premier team in our league. Houston pretty much just did that. So maybe losing will force Cronin to do some serious reflection and reignite his energy and passion. When I saw Hurley going nuts on the Uconn sideline hyping the crowd up majorily and fiercely cheering on his players, I just thought, man, that is what we need big time.

You want Hurley? I want to punch Hurley.

 

[AZ BEARCAT]

You want Hurley? I want to punch Hurley.

LOL

 

[david aka the TYZ]

Nice rant. LoJo did hit a 3 today. Justin couldn’t hit the Ohio River from the Roebking bridge today. Maybe wrong day for the rant?

That was just not a good effort in that second half. All Bearcat fans on edge as we should be. Time to learn from it and move on.

It would be nice to have a point guard that can create shots for people

Wow, Logan hit one shot, I guess that completely makes my critique of him wrong. Nice try. Justin jenifer was in tears during the anthem today. My guess is the emotions of the day were too much for him. I'd still play him over Logan at this point. Also my rant is perfect timing because this board has been a shit show all day. My rant wasnt about Logan Johnson either. Maybe read it again to understand what I was saying. My only point on Logan was to tell the one guy with his mouth around his nutsack to chill out and quit posting untrue things about him

 

[cliftonballer]

You want Hurley? I want to punch Hurley.

No. Read what I said. I want more passion, energy and cheerleading from our coach. I've already said what a jackass Hurley is. He's a guy you despise.. if he's on the other sideline. I dont want bitching and finger pointing. All our coaching staff's energy and passion is seriously lacking, we need an infusion of that in a big way. Players feed off that so do recruits, fans etc it's systemic...nobody ever talked about this but during our meltdown in the tournamnet with Nevada, Mick really had me questioning his coaching ability. When Jarron committed his fifth foul he went absolutely berserk and screaming at Jarron laying into him with no stopping. He displayed more passion and energy cussing Jarron out, even though he made a dumb play, than he did coaching the rest of our guys up. That one display disheartened me to no end. Jarron had already fouled out, you cant change the play, he's not playing anymore, yet he spent all this energy on something that he could not control or would have any effect on stopping our team from going down like the Titanic.

 

[Mcginnjw]

Get over your obsession with Logan Johnson and bashing of Justin Jenifer. Jenifer plays well in Cronins system and when its Logans turn I think we all assume he will too. As it stands now Logan is an athletic spark to the defense and nothing else. He gets completely lost in our system on defense leaving his man (aka open shots), makes lazy, telegraphed passes and cant shoot. Playing against directional schools in November would not have changed this. Jenifer isnt an all-American and he had a bad day today but he plays hard and shoots well and doesnt turn the ball over. In two years as a starter he led the team to a 56-10 record. Also if Logan Johnson chooses to transfer like you naively keep saying then I say good riddance because he isn't the type of player we need or want on this team if he were to do that. Truth is there is no merit to your statements. Johnson was interviewed recently and it was pretty clear he was happy here and understood his role and how he had to wait and learn to play.

This board over the years has lost plenty of good, rational posters over this boards obsession from time to time to Mick bash and player bash. Whereas a fan board should be open to all opinions and honest critiques of players and coaches, there also is a lost notion that fans of a team dont want to come onto a safe space to discuss a team they love and have to read negative after negative reviews of the team they love so dear. Put me squarely in that circle. I love this team and have been on this board since its inception in 2010. But I dont come here to listen to people bash players and the coach and that is why so many people leave the site year after year. I understand being frustrated at losing. We got embarrassed on our own floor today. We probably wont make it out of the first weekend of the tourney yet again. There is a clear hole in this team that wont be corrected in the next two weeks, it just wont. Do we need to constantly harp on the negative or can we appreciate what is going right? Rant over

Well said, and on the Transfer topic, Mick has said(recently on the Jim Rome show). he tells guys the truth about sitting for a couple of years because he can’t afford transfers due to bullshitting players and their families about playing time. I am sure honesty and empty pockets are tough recruiting tools to use.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

No. Read what I said. I want more passion, energy and cheerleading from our coach. I've already said what a jackass Hurley is. He's a guy you despise.. if he's on the other sideline. I dont want bitching and finger pointing. All our coaching staff's energy and passion is seriously lacking, we need an infusion of that in a big way. Players feed off that so do recruits, fans etc it's systemic...nobody ever talked about this but during our meltdown in the tournamnet with Nevada, Mick really had me questioning his coaching ability. When Jarron committed his fifth foul he went absolutely berserk and screaming at Jarron laying into him with no stopping. He displayed more passion and energy cussing Jarron out, even though he made a dumb play, than he did coaching the rest of our guys up. That one display disheartened me to no end. Jarron had already fouled out, you cant change the play, he's not playing anymore, yet he spent all this energy on something that he could not control or would have any effect on stopping our team from going down like the Titanic.

More passion from Mick? Lol... you ever watched mick through the years?

Put down the beer. Grab some water... it's been a long day for us all.

 

[cincycpaw]

No. Read what I said. I want more passion, energy and cheerleading from our coach. I've already said what a jackass Hurley is. He's a guy you despise.. if he's on the other sideline. I dont want bitching and finger pointing. All our coaching staff's energy and passion is seriously lacking, we need an infusion of that in a big way. Players feed off that so do recruits, fans etc it's systemic...nobody ever talked about this but during our meltdown in the tournamnet with Nevada, Mick really had me questioning his coaching ability. When Jarron committed his fifth foul he went absolutely berserk and screaming at Jarron laying into him with no stopping. He displayed more passion and energy cussing Jarron out, even though he made a dumb play, than he did coaching the rest of our guys up. That one display disheartened me to no end. Jarron had already fouled out, you cant change the play, he's not playing anymore, yet he spent all this energy on something that he could not control or would have any effect on stopping our team from going down like the Titanic.

I just wanted to think about punching Hurley