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[jacobkdoyle]

https://youtu.be/1esw-QdorMw

Coach Cronin on the W

 

[Garybearcat]

Another goodnight last night

All 5 starters made at least one 3. I can't remember a UC team doing this ever. Gary Clark is looking very comfortable from 3. This is a real problem for defenses. Now both our big men you have to come out on. If you noticed they brought the double team way out on perimeter on both Gary & Washington. No problem for Clark , but Washington needs to work on beating double team. This totally exposes defense's to penetration.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I don't think anyone was saying to keep him in the entire time. Just not sitting for the whole 11 minutes. There's a difference. And he ended the game with 3 fouls...seems like he would've been fine.

It worked out this time but if he would have picked up his 3rd in the first half it could have impacted his play and the team's. That is probably why 99% of the coaches will do exactly as Mick did. Which also worked our fine.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

With as inconsistent as the officiating is, I'm sure Mick was going to keep him out in the first half as long as we maintained a lead.

Scoring 7 points in the final 10 minutes and watching the lead dwindle is something that could cost us against good teams. Hopefully it was just due to officiating and not necessarily as a general rule. Caupain never fouls out. He's smart enough to be out there imo. Again, not the whole time. But an extra couple minutes and we could've been up double digits at half.

 

[crimedogg27]

I just dislike this groupthink mentality with coaches that if a player gets two fouls they have to sit out the rest of the first half. I believe it's too conservative of a mentality.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

It worked out this time but if he would have picked up his 3rd in the first half it could have impacted his play and the team's. That is probably why 99% of the coaches will do exactly as Mick did. Which also worked our fine.

Your argument is purely hypothetical...and nothing came of it bc he only had 1 more foul the rest of the game. But ok so let's say he does pick up a 3rd foul...what then? He sits on the bench for 11 minutes? Well, he did that anyway.

 

[Emperor Snapper]

I just dislike this groupthink mentality with coaches that if a player gets two fouls they have to sit out the rest of the first half. I believe it's too conservative of a mentality.

That officiating crew was pretty terrible last night. I understand the desire to not risk your starting PG, especially since they maintained a lead the entire time. I mean, Caupain picked up one foul because a dude kicked him. That's not the sort of thing he can control, no matter how smart he plays, and Teddy Valentine might have hung a 3rd foul on him for just about anything.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Another goodnight last night

All 5 starters made at least one 3. I can't remember a UC team doing this ever. Gary Clark is looking very comfortable from 3. This is a real problem for defenses. Now both our big men you have to come out on. If you noticed they brought the double team way out on perimeter on both Gary & Washington. No problem for Clark , but Washington needs to work on beating double team. This totally exposes defense's to penetration.

Clark looks more comfortable from 3 than at the beginning of the year. His stroke looks like the high % one from last year.

 

[Garybearcat]

Scoring 7 points in the final 10 minutes and watching the lead dwindle is something that could cost us against good teams. Hopefully it was just due to officiating and not necessarily as a general rule. Caupain never fouls out. He's smart enough to be out there imo. Again, not the whole time. But an extra couple minutes and we could've been up double digits at half.

I agree to leave him in but we get stronger by letting his teammates pick him up. We are better today for the minutes Justin got at the end of the half last night. We are seeing key minutes from our bench this year. Our bench only had 2 points last night but defensively they effected the game.

 

[Emperor Snapper]

Your argument is purely hypothetical...and nothing came of it bc he only had 1 more foul the rest of the game. But ok so let's say he does pick up a 3rd foul...what then? He sits on the bench for 11 minutes? Well, he did that anyway.

It is also hypothetical that the lead would have been any bigger with Caupain on the floor, playing soft defensively to avoid the 3rd foul.

If he did have 3 in the 1st half, then he would have been at 4 with 12 to go in the game. Missing your PG for the tail end of the 1st half is preferable to the tail end of the 2nd.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

That officiating crew was pretty terrible last night. I understand the desire to not risk your starting PG, especially since they maintained a lead the entire time. I mean, Caupain picked up one foul because a dude kicked him. That's not the sort of thing he can control, no matter how smart he plays, and Teddy Valentine might have hung a 3rd foul on him for just about anything.

2 others guys with 2 fouls in the 1st half were fine. Caupain was fine the rest of the game. The fact that he got a cheap one just points to the fact that he isn't foul prone. He's averaging 1.7 fouls per game and leads the team in minutes. IMO it is too conservative based on who we're talking about. Should Washington from play with 2 fouls in the 1st half? Hell no.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Your argument is purely hypothetical...and nothing came of it bc he only had 1 more foul the rest of the game. But ok so let's say he does pick up a 3rd foul...what then? He sits on the bench for 11 minutes? Well, he did that anyway.

he would also have to play a bit more cautious in the 2nd half. Jake again almost every coach in today's game coachs this way. I may suggest asking your grandfather what he would do

 

[jacobkdoyle]

It is also hypothetical that the lead would have been any bigger with Caupain on the floor, playing soft defensively to avoid the 3rd foul.

If he did have 3 in the 1st half, then he would have been at 4 with 12 to go in the game. Missing your PG for the tail end of the 1st half is preferable to the tail end of the 2nd.

It wasn't the tail end though. It was 11 minutes.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

2 others guys with 2 fouls in the 1st half were fine. Caupain was fine the rest of the game. The fact that he got a cheap one just points to the fact that he isn't foul prone. He's averaging 1.7 fouls per game and leads the team in minutes. IMO it is too conservative based on who we're talking about. Should Washington from play with 2 fouls in the 1st half? Hell no.

i would have subbed him is all I'm saying. The ref's are terrible in today's game. No way I want him starting the second half with 3 fouls.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

It wasn't the tail end though. It was 11 minutes.

JJ has been playing very well and we held the lead. Do you think if we would have given up the lead Mick would have brought him back. Perhaps you should do a clinic on this for D-1 coaches

 

[jacobkdoyle]

he would also have to play a bit more cautious in the 2nd half. Jake again almost every coach in today's game coachs this way. I may suggest asking your grandfather what he would do

I'd take Caupain playing soft defense over Jenifer leading us to a whopping 7 points in the final 10 minutes. Your way is certainly the traditional approach. More coaches today embrace the idea of not completely shutting them down than 50 years ago. Oh well. We won. Might just be a situational thing anyway. I just personally would've put him back in to steady things for the end of the half once they cut our comfortable lead in half.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

JJ has been playing very well and we held the lead. Do you think if we would have given up the lead Mick would have brought him back. Perhaps you should do a clinic on this for D-1 coaches

So it should take blowing a 12 point lead before the PG gets pulled? That's not what Cronin did btw. He had to go to Evans for a small stretch bc Jenifer wasn't getting it done. The result was them being right there at halftime even though we dominated the action. And fwiw I'm not on an island here. Not everyone in the basketball world subscribes to old-school conventional wisdom with no questions asked.

 

[TNBearcat3]

JJ has been 10x better this year than last. Will be important going forward, but you can tell how much more fluid the team is with Troy running the show. There's almost a comfort level the other 4 guys have when he is on the floor. JJ looks better when Troy has been on the floor with him. I didn't like him sitting so long but it didn't kill us.

 

[justinhub2003]

Johnson and Cumberland both played in the 1st half with 2 fouls. They were also fine. SR guards should be able to play without fouling. For me, the pulling them after 2 fouls stuff should only apply to big guys. We could've had a much more comfortable halftime lead had Caupain played 4 or so more minutes once we were clearly in a rut. He had it going last night early.

But like Cronin always says: the most irrelevant stat in basketball is the score at halftime. We're a second half team. I have no isssues with letting the younger guys get work in the least important part of the game. They held the lead so even better

 

[rogerOH]

Couldn't help but think or hope that Cane Broome will be similar to Rob Gray. Gray's a little bigger but man does he put a lot of pressure on the defense.