How many Big East wins will it take..

[DontMissHim]

With such a weak OOC schedule I think the committee will really only look at how the bearcats do in the Big East. The only thing the OOC schedule will do is help with seeding if the Cats make the tournament. Having said that- how many Big East wins will get em in the tournament? 9? 10?.

They have to go at least 500 IMO, including the Big East tournament. The selection committee may only look at where the Bearcats finish in the Big East rather then the conference record. If thats the case- I think finishing 8th would put them right on the bubble, 7th they would be in and 9th they would be out.

 

[psax889906]

Depends.

They could win 7 games in conference then go on a run and win 3 games in the Big East tournament.

They could win 9 games in conference and lose their first game @ MSG.

And I disagree that the OOC wins will mean little to nothing. The Dayton win will continue to look better and better and depending on what Capel is able to do with that Oklahoma club that could end up being a top 100 win. Xavier will be a top 75 or so W and Miami (OH) will end up with a decent RPI around 150 I'd think.

There are some quality wins there. People are confusing quality wins with MARQUEE wins. NO, the 'Cats will not be able to present a MARQUEE victory in the OOC schedule to the selection committee. They will be able to present a handful of quality wins however and lets face it- they've got plenty of opportunities in Big East for the marquee wins. Upset one or two top 15 opponents and win the games they should in conference and this team is looking at 23-24 wins and a strong seed in the dance. I don't think this is a pipe dream either.

 

[Thegreatone]

23 wins would make me feel pretty darn good. It just depends on who we beat IMO.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

10 or 11 wins with 3 or 4 versus NCAA tournament teams. (3 if 11 wins and 4 if 10 wins)

 

[Bearcat04]

At least 10 wins, but it'll also matter where they finish in the conference. I doubt the BE ever gets more than 8 bids, so they need to in the upper half. It'll also be nice if they can beat a few of the teams that figure to be in the 6-10 area... ND, UL, WVU, and Marquette.

I'll be rooting for Georgetown tonight. We play them twice so I'd love for them to be undefeated in the conference by the time we play them. The better they are the better our tournament resume looks with a victory. It also keeps one of the BE bubble teams from getting a huge win.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

At least 10 wins, but it'll also matter where they finish in the conference. I doubt the BE ever gets more than 8 bids, so they need to in the upper half. It'll also be nice if they can beat a few of the teams that figure to be in the 6-10 area... ND, UL, WVU, and Marquette.

I'll be rooting for Georgetown tonight. We play them twice so I'd love for them to be undefeated in the conference by the time we play them. The better they are the better our tournament resume looks with a victory. It also keeps one of the BE bubble teams from getting a huge win.

With the addition of 4 more at large bids I think there will be 9 teams somewhere in the near future.

 

[swg]

Need to win the next two games, and start off strong. With the early wins, and depth of conference, I could see UC getting in with 10, although 9 could even do it if they end strong.

 

[ralph1950]

With such a weak OOC schedule I think the committee will really only look at how the bearcats do in the Big East. The only thing the OOC schedule will do is help with seeding if the Cats make the tournament. Having said that- how many Big East wins will get em in the tournament? 9? 10?.

They have to go at least 500 IMO, including the Big East tournament. The selection committee may only look at where the Bearcats finish in the Big East rather then the conference record. If thats the case- I think finishing 8th would put them right on the bubble, 7th they would be in and 9th they would be out.

It will take the same number of wins in the Big East as it would have taken if the Bearcats had gone 7-6 against the toughest OOC they could have possibly played. A Big East teams NCAA tourney bid solely rests upon what the team does in the 18 game Big East schedule, OOC games mean nothing.

 

[blackcattitude]

no BE team has ever been excluded with 22 wins, hence the ___ (currently 13) DOWN, 9 TO GO on my posts.

 

[ucswais]

10 or 11 wins with 3 or 4 versus NCAA tournament teams. (3 if 11 wins and 4 if 10 wins)

I think 10 is an absolute lock based on recent history and the added 4 teams. If we land on 9, we'll have to have some good wins in conference.

With 11 wins, we'd be sitting on 23 or 24 wins and a very similar profile that got ND a 6 seed last year.

 

[Thegreatone]

I would be surprised if 22-9 didn't get us in assumming we have a couple top 25 wins.

Our SOS will not be too bad.

13 of our remaining games are verse top 50 teams or something like that.

 

[TheLongHaul]

I would be surprised if 22-9 didn't get us in assumming we have a couple top 25 wins.

Our SOS will not be too bad.

13 of our remaining games are verse top 50 teams or something like that.

I'd be surprised if 22-9 got us in. Obviously it depends on the wins and losses, but 22-9 would most likely be bubble and the committee would probably factor into our OOC schedule and put another bubble team in over UC because of that.

 

[bearcat jeff]

The Bearcats have 13 games against top 50 rpi teams. If they go 9-9 in league I think they'll be dancing. But I think they'll go 10-8 or 11-7.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

I'm very hard pressed to believe a Big East team with single digit losses is ever excluded from the tournament. Bubble teams that make it in from the big conferences are usually in the 12-14 loss category. For us to get to ten wins in conference we will have to beat at least a few quality teams and some tourney teams along the way. We will be fine as long as we can go 10-8. A loss to X might hinder that a little, but I still got to believe a 10 loss team would make it in, especially with three extra spots available this year.

 

[ME80]

I'm very hard pressed to believe a Big East team with single digit losses is ever excluded from the tournament. Bubble teams that make it in from the big conferences are usually in the 12-14 loss category. For us to get to ten wins in conference we will have to beat at least a few quality teams and some tourney teams along the way. We will be fine as long as we can go 10-8. A loss to X might hinder that a little, but I still got to believe a 10 loss team would make it in, especially with three extra spots available this year.

Someone reminded me again yesterday that there are three more at large bids to fill in the tournament this year. It will be interesting to see how this effects the "bubble". Will they favor the big conferences or will they use it as an excuse to include more "mid-majors".

 

[MDW79]

no BE team has ever been excluded with 22 wins, hence the ___ (currently 13) DOWN, 9 TO GO on my posts.

Just a heads up... WVU went 22-9 in '06-07 (All 22 wins coming in the regular season) and got left out.

 

[Thegreatone]

Lets assume we go 9-9 and find a way to beat X. That is 22-9 going into the Big East tournament.

UC would play a team they can beat in the Big East tournament. You win that and lose to a good team that brings us to 23-10.

IMO it would depend on who we beat and if we have any bad loses.

 

[MDW79]

It's pretty simple IMO:

-8 wins and we're out (barring a BE tourney run)

-9 wins and we're on the bubble (Would possibly need just a single win at MSG to cement)

-10 wins and we're a 99.999% lock. *

*Accounting for the very slim possibility that it shakes out in some way that we get hosed... 12-1 OOC record, with loss to X. All10 BE wins come against lowest RPI teams possible, lose last 5 out of last 6, get drubbed in the opening round of BE tourney, committee featuring Bobinski and O$U doucher gives us the shaft...it is possible but highly unlikely.

 

[anbuc88]

It's pretty simple IMO:

-8 wins and we're out (barring a BE tourney run)

-9 wins and we're on the bubble (Would possibly need just a single win at MSG to cement)

-10 wins and we're a 99.999% lock. *

*Accounting for the very slim possibility that it shakes out in some way that we get hosed... 12-1 OOC record, with loss to X. All10 BE wins come against lowest RPI teams possible, lose last 5 out of last 6, get drubbed in the opening round of BE tourney, committee featuring Bobinski and O$U doucher gives us the shaft...it is possible but highly unlikely.

Completely agree. Let's not forget that there are 4 more at large teams this year that in previous years. The 22-9 WVU team (that you mentioned in an earlier post) that was left out of the tourney in 06-07 would have been in this year.

 

[ME80]

Completely agree. Let's not forget that there are 4 more at large teams this year that in previous years. The 22-9 WVU team (that you mentioned in an earlier post) that was left out of the tourney in 06-07 would have been in this year.

Actually 3 more teams this year. I tried to ask the question in my last post, do you think the committee will use those three for the "next in line" or will they try to get 3 more mid-majors into the field?