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JackBauer151 said:
Precisely. It's no more complicated than this. We can beat anyone in the country if the supporting cast plays well. The problem is 3 of those players are starters. When you have that much inconsistency coming from key spots on your roster the result is mediocrity. Which we have experienced this season. The supporting cast has been abysmal for the majority of the Cronin tenure outside of the sweet 16 team. That's what happens when you only get 3 star players. The thing that chaps me about this team is how unlikable they are. The inconsistency. Ellis's bullshit. Deberry choosing when to play hard. Low Bball IQ. Lack of any resemblance of toughness. Yet one of the most all around talented teams Cronin has had. I remember the SK, Rubles, Jackson team and we all knew they couldnt score. We knew they would have trouble advancing in March. Yet I found myself rooting my ass off for them. They defined toughness. One of the most likable teams in recent memory. Sad to say it but I will be happy to turn the page on this group of seniors regardless of how the rest of the season plays out.
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You mean a recruiting class that has 3 JUCO's isn't getting it done? I'm shocked. I'm almost getting tired of saying how much the recruiting needs to improve.
 
Too many jump shots, bad start, several stretches of defensive lapses. Needed Cobb
 
dbieon12 said:
If you're shooting 4 for 20 from WIDE open 3s. Then you are just trash and should stop. When you close a 12 point lead to 2 points by driving to the basket, getting to the free throw line, making only one 3 in the process, you should probably KEEP doing it. Oh yeah, and you're in the bonus.
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I bumped this because it's common sense basketball 101.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
That sounds great, but some of the 3s were WIDE open. If we start telling Cobb and Evans that they can't shoot WIDE open 3s, then we're in BIG trouble.
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The thing is, smart players know when things aren't falling and they adjust their game. While I Evans driving and shooting wasn't working out for him or us, at least he wasn't just standing around waiting to chuck up another 3. I like Cobb, but if his 3 isn't falling, he doesn't give us much. And yesterday was not his day
 
Chad Brendel said:
Troy said it. He didn't appear to be "psyched out"...
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OK. 3-8 from the three point line is a good number for Troy. The rest of the team couldn't hit water from a boat. Whether that was just a bad night, or something mental, the result was the same.

One thing we can agree on is, once again, a bad start destroyed them. Down 21-9 at the second media timeout.

At Temple - down 9-2 at first media timeout. And we documented the Butler, Xavier, and Iowa State games before. At least 5 of 7 losses where UC won the last 30 minutes of a game but lost the game because they lost the first 4-8 minutes. I'm sure Mick wished he knew how to push the "play" button quicker...maybe 10 minutes of game simulated practice before opening tip?
 
jacobkdoyle said:
That sounds great, but some of the 3s were WIDE open. If we start telling Cobb and Evans that they can't shoot WIDE open 3s, then we're in BIG trouble.
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They should definitely have the green light. With Cobb in particular, you always want your best shooter to keep shooting no matter how bad his night is going.
 
cincycpaw said:
The thing is, smart players know when things aren't falling and they adjust their game. While I Evans driving and shooting wasn't working out for him or us, at least he wasn't just standing around waiting to chuck up another 3. I like Cobb, but if his 3 isn't falling, he doesn't give us much. And yesterday was not his day
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Johnson, Thomas, and Jenifer gave us zilch. So we needed Cobb. He's the leading 3 pt shooter in the conference. He has to shoot open shots. Period. It sounds great to talk about "adjusting your game" and all that. But like you said, outside of 3 pt shooting, Cobb doesn't give us much. But that's just how it is. Wouldn't you rather go down in flames and lose bc the best shooter in the conference is missing open shots...instead of losing bc only 2 or 3 players on the team are allowed to shoot, even if the others wide open? Steph Curry was 1-9 on 3s last night. Do you think the Warriors fans were saying "C'mon dude stop shooting wide open 3s, it isn't your night"? Of course not. It was a frustrating way for us to lose yesterday bc we can usually point to many other reasons for losing, outside of simply missing shots. But the fact is, we struggle big time to get out of the 50s away from home. And not letting guys take the shots that are there is not a recipe for better scoring. Maybe we just simply don't have good enough players to hit the shots. But the answer isn't to stop taking them. That won't lead to better efficiency.
 
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jacobkdoyle said:
That sounds great, but some of the 3s were WIDE open. If we start telling Cobb and Evans that they can't shoot WIDE open 3s, then we're in BIG trouble.
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Bearcats were in the bonus. That affects the defenses ability to defend against dribble penetration to the basket. This team is not going to "out shoot" anyone. Why do you think teams back off and give them the 3 ?
 
BoomBoomRoom said:
Bearcats were in the bonus. That affects the defenses ability to defend against dribble penetration to the basket. This team is not going to "out shoot" anyone. Why do you think teams back off and give them the 3 ?
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How do you expect us to get to the hoop and draw fouls if teams play us this way?
 
BoomBoomRoom said:
Bearcats were in the bonus. That affects the defenses ability to defend against dribble penetration to the basket. This team is not going to "out shoot" anyone. Why do you think teams back off and give them the 3 ?
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Memphis was incredibly lazy with their rotations. Most of those shots were the correct play.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
Johnson, Thomas, and Jenifer gave us zilch. So we needed Cobb. He's the leading 3 pt shooter in the conference. He has to shoot open shots. Period. It sounds great to talk about "adjusting your game" and all that. But like you said, outside of 3 pt shooting, Cobb doesn't give us much. But that's just how it is. Wouldn't you rather go down in flames and lose bc the best shooter in the conference is missing open shots...instead of losing bc only 2 or 3 players on the team are allowed to shoot, even if the others wide open? Steph Curry was 1-9 on 3s last night. Do you think the Warriors fans were saying "C'mon dude stop shooting wide open 3s, it isn't your night"? Of course not. It was a frustrating way for us to lose yesterday bc we can usually point to many other reasons for losing, outside of simply missing shots. But the fact is, we struggle big time to get out of the 50s away from home. And not letting guys take the shots that are there is not a recipe for better scoring. Maybe we just simply don't have good enough players to hit the shots. But the answer isn't to stop taking them. That won't lead to better efficiency.
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You gotta keep shooting, but also keep the situation in mind. If in the bonus that is an advantage you can't ignore.
 
ZCat said:
You gotta keep shooting, but also keep the situation in mind. If in the bonus that is an advantage you can't ignore.
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I agree. But at the same time, we had a million chances. It is easy as a fan to use hind sight and say we shouldn't have taken those shots bc none of them went in. But on the flip side, we had division 1 athletes shooting virtual practice shots in many situations. It will never be part of the plan for a good team to tell very capable shooters to pass on shots that any division 1 player should be taking without hesitation.
 
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The bottom line is Mick ALWAYS recruits " ATHLETES ", NOT basketball players, that can shoot the ball. It's been this way as long as he's been here, with one exception, SK. I'm tired of watching guys run up and down the floor and miss jump shoots, game after game, it's become almost watchable basketball at this point. Yes, this team plays very hard on defense, but at some point you have got to be able to score points consistently, which this team can't do with any regularity what so ever.

:mad:
 
jacobkdoyle said:
You're missing the point.
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Curry= "pure" shooter. Bearcats= "streak" shooters. Big difference.
The point is this is not a team of reliable capable shooters and these unreliable shooters are not well coached offensively. Please explain the low point output during Cronins tenure ? I feel its recruiting and coaching.....both on Cronin.
 
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