Officiating in the UL game

[TheLivingLegend]

The T was a joke... One of the worst I have seen. Rubles actually handled the situation pretty well imo. I dont think many would have walked away from the original situation.

Being told you can run the baseline then having the other offical call it was a joke...

Id like to see Troys step back inbounds call again, possible joke.

The 9 minute review ON sk... even tho Sk was getting hacked then russ flopped was a joke.

The and 1 sk was a joke...

 

[Not Guilty]

There was a play mid way through the second half where we got a run out and got the ball to Jackson under the hoop. He pump faked and got his man in the air. Clear contact that should have been called. He still made the basket, but really bad no call.

Immediately following that play, Louisville quickly inbounds the ball and gets it up court for what looks like its going to be a layup, only JJ hustles back and is about to go for the block. Harrell (I believe) instead pump fakes, but CLEARLY drags his pivot foot. No travel called.

Just a brutal officiating sequence.

 

[eric3287]

The ref that called Caupain out of bounds blatantly blew that call. I could tell watching it live that he had 2 feet in bounds when he caught the ball. The ref wasn't even looking at his feet, just saw him catch it and assumed he was out of bounds still. I thought that was going to end up costing them.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

The ref that called Caupain out of bounds blatantly blew that call. I could tell watching it live that he had 2 feet in bounds when he caught the ball. The ref wasn't even looking at his feet, just saw him catch it and assumed he was out of bounds still. I thought that was going to end up costing them.

At the time I thought it was for sure going to cost them... Looking at it live I thought he got back in bounds but wasnt sure... Was surprised they didnt offer up a replay.

 

[#BearcatNation]

Just found a video on YouTube of the Rubles T. I seriously don't see it at all, unless it was just before the clip starts. Watch for yourself, around the 1:38 mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voxq2Bn1qpE

 

[TheLivingLegend]

Just found a video on YouTube of the Rubles T. I seriously don't see it at all, unless it was just before the clip starts. Watch for yourself, around the 1:38 mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voxq2Bn1qpE

That is a joke...

 

[david aka the TYZ]

The T was absolutely horrible. I had to step out for a few minutes and on the radio Chuck and Dan mentioned UL (Harrell) being warned for delaying the game by holding the ball or knocking it away and then Harrell pulled what he did with Rubles and Rubles gets T'd. Not to mention He hung on the rim twice. The T didn't get called till after Pitino spoke to the refs. Even worse to me was the review of SK and the so called "elbow" to Russ Smith two plays after the fact. Again, it took place after Pitino spoke to the refs.

The T was a horrible call. Honestly, though, after they reviewed that flop by Smith that Pitino called for I think the refs were done with Pitino. From that point on they started calling fouls left and right on Louisville and the stoppage in play killed their momentum.

We're all homers when it comes to officiating, but looking at it objectively, overall I thought the refs were fairly even. They were letting them play some, which I like in a big game like that and that favors us as much as it did them. It favored them in their pressure but can favor us in getting blocks and defending down low. The T was a bad call, I even thought the offensive foul on Rubles was a bad call that led to the T, probably a 50-50 call at best, you just don't see charges often on a ball-handler in a trap. I think the refs were guilty of getting into the emotion of the crowd and the momentum, which is part of home field advantage. I do firmly believe that after watching Pitino whine about an earlier call and having to stop game and watch an obvious flop by Smith changed the refs attitude towards listening to what Pitino was chirping at them. Also thought the refs showed great restraint in not T'ing Mick up or even tossing him after his eruption, albeit a justified eruption.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

Maybe Harrell and Pitino will be particular targets of interest for the crowd when L'ville comes to 5/3. Last time they were all over behanan.

Good thought, we need to find a way to get the students to razz him all game. And maybe yell "Flop, flop, flop" at Russ all game.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

The T was a joke... One of the worst I have seen. Rubles actually handled the situation pretty well imo. I dont think many would have walked away from the original situation.

Being told you can run the baseline then having the other offical call it was a joke...

Id like to see Troys step back inbounds call again, possible joke.

The 9 minute review ON sk... even tho Sk was getting hacked then russ flopped was a joke.

The and 1 sk was a joke...

The review is on Pitino. The refs have to go look at it if a coach asks them to. Part of the rules. I thought it was a little late considering two plays or so had been run, but at the same time they reviewed our three a couple plays after the fact and we got an extra point. I said in an earlier reply and I'll say it again, I think that long review is what killed Louisville's momentum and gave us time to regroup. Plus I think it changed how the refs called the game after that. That stupid review might have been the difference for us.

 

[JasonS]

The review is on Pitino. The refs have to go look at it if a coach asks them to. Part of the rules. I thought it was a little late considering two plays or so had been run, but at the same time they reviewed our three a couple plays after the fact and we got an extra point. I said in an earlier reply and I'll say it again, I think that long review is what killed Louisville's momentum and gave us time to regroup. Plus I think it changed how the refs called the game after that. That stupid review might have been the difference for us.

The review on SK's three was not called for by UC. If you watch the play, you will see the ref signal to someone at the scorers table to mark that play down so they can check it at the next dead ball. This happens regularly in games when trying to determine if it is a 2 or 3. They only stop the game if there is a foul and they want to determine 2 or 3 foul shots. So, this is not the same as the Pitino issue. That said, I do agree that it hurt UL more than UC. It gave us an opportunity to slow everything down and regain our composure.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

The review on SK's three was not called for by UC. If you watch the play, you will see the ref signal to someone at the scorers table to mark that play down so they can check it at the next dead ball. This happens regularly in games when trying to determine if it is a 2 or 3. They only stop the game if there is a foul and they want to determine 2 or 3 foul shots. So, this is not the same as the Pitino issue. That said, I do agree that it hurt UL more than UC. It gave us an opportunity to slow everything down and regain our composure.

Makes sense. I didn't think Mick had called for it, I just knew it was reviewed after the fact.

 

[JasonS]

Makes sense. I didn't think Mick had called for it, I just knew it was reviewed after the fact.

Yeah, I actually noticed the ref make the signal live because he was so close to where SK shot the ball and I knew it was close to the line.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

Yeah, I actually noticed the ref make the signal live because he was so close to where SK shot the ball and I knew it was close to the line.

I actually thought his toes were on the line in real time so I didn't really give it much thought. I tell you, though, that one point was a big difference in being up three instead of two at the end. And also being up one instead of tied when we had the ball.

On that note, did anyone else like the stategy of fouling when up three and putting them on the line with about 10 seconds left? Normally I don't mind that strategy, but in my head last night I was worried about having to inbounds the ball under their basket the way we had struggled all night to do so and especially with no time-outs to play with. It ended up working out in our favor but I think if I were coach in that scenario I would've let it play out and just hope they didnt drain a three and go to OT if they did. They would've been scrambling to get a good shot off as it was and I REALLY did not want to have to inbounds in that situation. I know you don't coach with the thought of making a mistake, but my pessimistic mind was just afraid of getting that inbounds in.

 

[#BearcatNation]

I actually thought his toes were on the line in real time so I didn't really give it much thought. I tell you, though, that one point was a big difference in being up three instead of two at the end. And also being up one instead of tied when we had the ball.

On that note, did anyone else like the stategy of fouling when up three and putting them on the line with about 10 seconds left? Normally I don't mind that strategy, but in my head last night I was worried about having to inbounds the ball under their basket the way we had struggled all night to do so and especially with no time-outs to play with. It ended up working out in our favor but I think if I were coach in that scenario I would've let it play out and just hope they didnt drain a three and go to OT if they did. They would've been scrambling to get a good shot off as it was and I REALLY did not want to have to inbounds in that situation. I know you don't coach with the thought of making a mistake, but my pessimistic mind was just afraid of getting that inbounds in.

I always like that strategy, as long as there's under around 15 seconds left. Simply prevents them from tying it up. Although I agree that it was a little nerve wracking watching them inbounds, when you've got a guy like SK, it makes it a little less worrisome. Literally just get him the ball, and you're very likely to not even give them a chance.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

I might be in the minority but I dont like that stategy unless there is less than 5 seconds on the clock.. Last night I thought it was borderline, I thought the foul came a little early.

 

[Gotcha23]

Loved the win and a great effort performance last night by our "bigs". However, I actually thought we got a lot of the calls late in the game. I'll take it!!

 

[david aka the TYZ]

I might be in the minority but I dont like that stategy unless there is less than 5 seconds on the clock.. Last night I thought it was borderline, I thought the foul came a little early.

I would've liked to see a few more seconds tick off as well, but I think the strategy is to foul them before they cross half court. Another second and a half and he would've been at the three-point line. I'm surprised they didn't pressure the inbounds. I guess you're in prevent defense at that point and not wanting someone to be open down court.

 

[JasonS]

I might be in the minority but I dont like that stategy unless there is less than 5 seconds on the clock.. Last night I thought it was borderline, I thought the foul came a little early.

I agree. Typically the foul is supposed to occur under 5 seconds with this strategy but also supposed to happen at or around half court. In an ideal world, SK would have been able to force his man to take a little more time to get to half court and then foul. I do like the strategy though. I never understood why you would let someone get a chance to set up for a good look at 3.

 

[Not Guilty]

I might be in the minority but I dont like that stategy unless there is less than 5 seconds on the clock.. Last night I thought it was borderline, I thought the foul came a little early.

Last night we were in the double bonus and they were in the single bonus. It made a ton of sense to foul in that situation.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

It is definitely the right call, I just didn't like that they let so few seconds run off the clock. I had visions of UC turning the ball over on the ensuing inbound though...especially with no timeouts. There was still 5.4 seconds left when Guyn gave the foul...