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[Bearcats Sports]

Well we are four games into the season and the QB situation is still up in the air. With Moore being injured for the Miami game, and Ross Trails showing he can play decently well, who is going to start? I still think Gunner is our best option, but I am very bias. I still think Tommy is punishing Gunner for all the stuff that has gone on with him in the past. Moore is doing what we all expected him to do, make great plays, then turn around and turn the ball over. I am very surprised that we didn't start the experienced Kiel for the Miami game, but at the same time I am not surprised because Tommy is our coach.

 

[waterhead]

Well we are four games into the season and the QB situation is still up in the air. With Moore being injured for the Miami game, and Ross Trails showing he can play decently well, who is going to start? I still think Gunner is our best option, but I am very bias. I still think Tommy is punishing Gunner for all the stuff that has gone on with him in the past. Moore is doing what we all expected him to do, make great plays, then turn around and turn the ball over. I am very surprised that we didn't start the experienced Kiel for the Miami game, but at the same time I am not surprised because Tommy is our coach.

If Gunner were a legit option other than last resort I think we would have seen him by now and likely he would have started the season as QB1. Obviously there are other non performance related issues keeping him on the sideline.

You just don't bench a highly productive (now senior) QB for a less productive (now soph) QB because you want to move in a different direction on the field. TT has done some dumb things but that would top the list if true. It's about something else...injury, attitude, personal issues, etc.

 

[2bearcatdad]

If Gunner were a legit option other than last resort I think we would have seen him by now and likely he would have started the season as QB1. Obviously there are other non performance related issues keeping him on the sideline.

You just don't bench a highly productive (now senior) QB for a less productive (now soph) QB because you want to move in a different direction on the field. TT has done some dumb things but that would top the list if true. It's about something else...injury, attitude, personal issues, etc.

Also, if this was a punishment being levied by TT, I don't think Gunner would be responding the way he has. By all accounts, he's supportive and encouraging the younger guys. You can see this during the games and both TT, Moore and Trail have talked about what a great teammate Gunner has been. I just don't think we'd be seeing that response if this was a punishment.

I think Gunner is either physically limited or he has some sort of mutual agreement with TT so he understands why he's not playing. Otherwise, I think we'd see a different temperament from him.

Just guessing - I truly have no idea.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

To me the real issue is the OL. It doesn't matter if we have QB1 QB2 or QB3, as well as RB1, RB2 or RB3 in the game. No matter who the QB is they have nearly no time to read and pass before being under pressure and the OL has not been able to make any running lanes and the RB's have been too slow getting to the outside. The OL has been getting pushed back by nearly every team even Miami.

 

[waterhead]

To me the real issue is the OL. It doesn't matter if we have QB1 QB2 or QB3, as well as RB1, RB2 or RB3 in the game. No matter who the QB is they have nearly no time to read and pass before being under pressure and the OL has not been able to make any running lanes and the RB's have been too slow getting to the outside. The OL has been getting pushed back by nearly every team even Miami.

I would agree here...but I would say quick decision making would become a priority. Generally that would be a veteran advantage because they have been in more situations

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I would agree here...but I would say quick decision making would become a priority. Generally that would be a veteran advantage because they have been in more situations

Mobility and durability would also be factors. Finding out who is your QB going forward between Trail and Moore isn't a bad thing. My sense is we can get to the same Bowl we did under Kiel as we will under either Trail or Moore. We are not winning the AAC this year regardless who is under center. The goal is to pick up a bowl pay check. 6 wins and we accomplish that. This team still need to add talent. Kiel won't hide all the warts on this years team.

 

[waterhead]

Mobility and durability would also be factors. Finding out who is your QB going forward between Trail and Moore isn't a bad thing. My sense is we can get to the same Bowl we did under Kiel as we will under either Trail or Moore. We are not winning the AAC this year regardless who is under center. The goal is to pick up a bowl pay check. 6 wins and we accomplish that. This team still need to add talent. Kiel won't hide all the warts on this years team.

I don't get this viewpoint of whoever is in there it will probably turn out the same. You start your best players at each position (if available to play). The QB is probably the most important position on the field...that is the one position the coach has to get right out of all of them. That decision (more than any other positional decision) could easily affect which bowl we can reach.

That being said...I'm not sure we will see Gunner this year for other reasons

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I don't get this viewpoint of whoever is in there it will probably turn out the same. You start your best players at each position (if available to play). The QB is probably the most important position on the field...that is the one position the coach has to get right out of all of them. That decision (more than any other positional decision) could easily affect which bowl we can reach.

That being said...I'm not sure we will see Gunner this year for other reasons

That is my point. I don't think there is much difference in the level of talent between the three candidates. Factoring in talent, mobility, leadership, durability and other attributes. I don't any of them have the talent to overcome the lack of talent around them. The QB's are not talented enough to hide the warts. I guess what I'm saying is we will get to 6 wins and not much else whichever one we play. JMO

 

[jacobkdoyle]

That is my point. I don't think there is much difference in the level of talent between the three candidates. Factoring in talent, mobility, leadership, durability and other attributes. I don't any of them have the talent to overcome the lack of talent around them. The QB's are not talented enough to hide the warts. I guess what I'm saying is we will get to 6 wins and not much else whichever one we play. JMO

Agreed. Somehow Kiel has been given a God-like status on this board. Not sure how or why that has happened, but I don't think starting him would do anything special for us.

 

[M64W]

Well we are four games into the season and the QB situation is still up in the air. With Moore being injured for the Miami game, and Ross Trails showing he can play decently well, who is going to start? I still think Gunner is our best option, but I am very bias. I still think Tommy is punishing Gunner for all the stuff that has gone on with him in the past. Moore is doing what we all expected him to do, make great plays, then turn around and turn the ball over. I am very surprised that we didn't start the experienced Kiel for the Miami game, but at the same time I am not surprised because Tommy is our coach.

I am and was a Gunner supporter, but it has reached a point in the season where the team and coaches just need to move on with the younger QBs. I would not have done that, but I am not in the know. It is hard to understand, but a decision was made. If we see Kiel now, it will really be confusing. We'll have to wait to next year to see Kiel.

 

[JasonS]

Agreed. Somehow Kiel has been given a God-like status on this board. Not sure how or why that has happened, but I don't think starting him would do anything special for us.

I blame this entire situation on Tuberville. He has failed to truly support his quarterback (no matter who it is) and frankly, hasn't exuded confidence in his QB either. This is only a topic and a mess because of Tuberville. If he comes out and says Moore has earned the starting role and is the best QB for this team, all of this goes away. Instead he says crap like, "well, I expect as Gunner learns the offense, he'll get an opportunity at some point." What good does that statement do for the fans or the team? You want to have the conversation with Gunner privately or even with the QBs or team privately, fine. It doesn't need to be for public consumption IMO.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Definitely feels like Tommy is trolling

 

[GoCats88]

That is my point. I don't think there is much difference in the level of talent between the three candidates. Factoring in talent, mobility, leadership, durability and other attributes. I don't any of them have the talent to overcome the lack of talent around them. The QB's are not talented enough to hide the warts. I guess what I'm saying is we will get to 6 wins and not much else whichever one we play. JMO

We are 3-1 already with some pretty bad teams on the slate still. I think 7-9 is more reasonable than 6..

 

[Bearcats Sports]

It's hard to think about the future, when we are still trying to fight for a bowl game. However, in your eyes who do you see as the quarterback with the most upside. We have Trails a freshman, and Moore a Sophomore. I would like us to finish the season off playing the quarterback who we believe is our future, but I still can't decide which I would rather have. Trails ability to run is something that I really like to see, makes our offense a little more deadly. Between the two, which would you rather see as the long term starting quarterback?

 

[UCalum08]

It's hard to think about the future, when we are still trying to fight for a bowl game. However, in your eyes who do you see as the quarterback with the most upside. We have Trails a freshman, and Moore a Sophomore. I would like us to finish the season off playing the quarterback who we believe is our future, but I still can't decide which I would rather have. Trails ability to run is something that I really like to see, makes our offense a little more deadly. Between the two, which would you rather see as the long term starting quarterback?

I don't think we have seen enough of Trail. Almost the same could be said for Moore but obviously we have had seen more of him. Just from what I've seen and guessing, I would like to see Trail. I've never been high on Moore though...

 

[Bearcats Sports]

I don't think we have seen enough of Trail. Almost the same could be said for Moore but obviously we have had seen more of him. Just from what I've seen and guessing, I would like to see Trail. I've never been high on Moore though...

Good points, hard to choose when we have only seen Trails play one game. I think if Moore wants to succeed he needs to get stronger and be able to throw the ball harder. He seems to put too much air under the ball and it just floats through the air making it easier to pick off. I hope one of the two steps up and becomes a true leader for our offense. As of right now we don't have a voice on our offense, and they are all still trying to figure out their roles. The best leader needs to be the started next year, the player that everyone on the field believes in and trusts.

 

[UCalum08]

Good points, hard to choose when we have only seen Trails play one game. I think if Moore wants to succeed he needs to get stronger and be able to throw the ball harder. He seems to put too much air under the ball and it just floats through the air making it easier to pick off. I hope one of the two steps up and becomes a true leader for our offense. As of right now we don't have a voice on our offense, and they are all still trying to figure out their roles. The best leader needs to be the started next year, the player that everyone on the field believes in and trusts.

100% agree with all you said. To add to your points on Moore's lack of strength and leader abilities, just doesn't seem to have high major D-1 strength amd vision.