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waterhead said:
By the way... the committee doesn't need to watch our tourney. I agree their work is done by that point. But they have also considered if the outcome of our tournament would change their seeding and if so...in which way. All they have to do is plug in the pre determined seed when the tournament ends.
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It's not that easy, moving one team up effects everyone below. Which is why the committee admitted last year they didn't consider our conference championship game. They're not making 2 separate brackets based on the outcome of one game.
 
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Zdiddy513 said:
It's not that easy, moving one team up effects everyone below. Which is why the committee admitted last year they didn't consider our conference championship game. They're not making 2 separate brackets based on the outcome of one game.
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Our tournament probably didn't matter to seeding last year. What happens if USF wins?

They don't have to shift every team anyway. If they are on the fence between 2 teams getting say a 3 or a 4 seed... just switch the two teams.
 
waterhead said:
Our tournament probably didn't matter to seeding last year. What happens if USF wins?

They don't have to shift every team anyway. If they are on the fence between 2 teams getting say a 3 or a 4 seed... just switch the two teams.
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If USF wins they simply replace the last at-large team and give them a 12 seed or whatever. It's a lot easier to do that than making 2 separate brackets. 3 and 4 seeds are a lot trickier to play with considering protected seeding.
 
Zdiddy513 said:
If USF wins they simply replace the last at-large team and give them a 12 seed or whatever. It's a lot easier to do that than making 2 separate brackets. 3 and 4 seeds are a lot trickier to play with considering protected seeding.
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I get what you are saying but they don't have to create 2 brackets. Just one and a last minute modification pending results.

I agree they will probably have the bracket set by the time our tourney is over. But it would be very unfair if they allowed results from other tourneys to influence seeding in any way...but not allow ours to do the same.

Again, last year, I think the result wasn't going to change their seeding so they didn't need to consider it. It's only when you are trying to determine between two teams getting the same seed that a tourney would influence the bracket. If they determine the result won't matter then who cares.
 
waterhead said:
I get what you are saying but they don't have to create 2 brackets. Just one and a last minute modification pending results.

I agree they will probably have the bracket set by the time our tourney is over. But it would be very unfair if they allowed results from other tourneys to influence seeding in any way...but not allow ours to do the same.

Again, last year, I think the result wasn't going to change their seeding so they didn't need to consider it. It's only when you are trying to determine between two teams getting the same seed that a tourney would influence the bracket. If they determine the result won't matter then who cares.
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I would imagine conference tourney results have affected seeding a few times each year. That's not a lot but it's something. I am not talking a team stealing a bid from an at large team...I am talking about moving a team up a seed line.
 
sedziobs said:
Committee members said the only way a conference tournament matters is if you win? I'll need to see evidence of that.
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I posted an article a while back with Q and A from one of the committee members. I don't recall the thread. That was a statement he or she made. The overall message was if you get to the semis...it's likely not going to matter for your seed. They might consider moving a seed line for tourney winners but not all the time.

If I can find the article I will but I forget the search I did. I was looking at the new quadrant changes at the time...but the article was about misconceptions about what the committee does or does not consider during selection.
 
sedziobs said:
Committee members said the only way a conference tournament matters is if you win? I'll need to see evidence of that.
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I did not find the article back that I posted in a thread earlier in the year. Interesting that there are different answers to the same question within the committee. Here is another I found. A question and answer from the committee head.

Q.. I'm at the SEC tournament, which starts Wednesday. The championship game is Sunday afternoon. Won't be over till probably 5:15, 5:30. How impactful can whatever happens in a championship game that late in the week or in the process affect what the Committee's decisions are?

RON WELLMAN: It can have an impact obviously depending on which teams are in that championship game. The Committee will be prepared for that eventuality if it does occur by having a number of contingency plans, whether it be selection, seeding or bracketing.

There have been a number of years where there have been four or five brackets active very late in the game, whether it be the SEC championship or other reasons. But the Committee will be well prepared for any possibility late Sunday afternoon.
 
Thanks for that. It's definitely a guessing game trying to figure out how much weight the committee will give to certain things. Conference tournaments are no exception.

It's anecdotal, but I think our own history supports the idea that conference tournaments are important. I don't think we get a 6 seed in 2012 without beating Georgetown and Syracuse. We were actually a 7 on bracketmatrix that year. We might have got a protected seed in 2014 if we hadn't lost to UConn when SK's layup rolled all around the rim and out. Bracketmatrix had us as a 4 seed that year. That would have been a huge difference. Since we weren't protected, we got shipped to Spokane.
 
sedziobs said:
Thanks for that. It's definitely a guessing game trying to figure out how much weight the committee will give to certain things. Conference tournaments are no exception.

It's anecdotal, but I think our own history supports the idea that conference tournaments are important. I don't think we get a 6 seed in 2012 without beating Georgetown and Syracuse. We were actually a 7 on bracketmatrix that year. We might have got a protected seed in 2014 if we hadn't lost to UConn when SK's layup rolled all around the rim and out. Bracketmatrix had us as a 4 seed that year. That would have been a huge difference. Since we weren't protected, we got shipped to Spokane.
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Yah... the other guy basically said your tourney won't matter much if you don't win. I think it has to matter some since those early games should appear on the team sheets.

I would imagine making the championship game would have to make people take notice.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
Show tonight
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I really hope Coach doesn't have to address or clarify comments from the presser yesterday. Illiterate Kentucky fans think he took a shot at them and are furious. But it's not even a thing. You can agree, disagree, whatever...but if you don't even know what he was talking about, that's your issue. And he shouldn't have to spend any time explaining something that is crystal clear to anyone who follows UC Basketball.

(Btw poor Berg lol)
 
jacobkdoyle said:
I really hope Coach doesn't have to address or clarify comments from the presser yesterday. Illiterate Kentucky fans think he took a shot at them and are furious. But it's not even a thing. You can agree, disagree, whatever...but if you don't even know what he was talking about, that's your issue. And he shouldn't have to spend any time explaining something that is crystal clear to anyone who follows UC Basketball.

(Btw poor Berg lol)
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What was said by Mick? I didn't hear anything being at the game
 
jacobkdoyle said:
I really hope Coach doesn't have to address or clarify comments from the presser yesterday. Illiterate Kentucky fans think he took a shot at them and are furious. But it's not even a thing. You can agree, disagree, whatever...but if you don't even know what he was talking about, that's your issue. And he shouldn't have to spend any time explaining something that is crystal clear to anyone who follows UC Basketball.

(Btw poor Berg lol)
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I know and I love how you haven't heard anything from the Indiana or Louisville fan bases. God forbid someone talk bad about big blue nation lol
 
Jon Rycek said:
I know and I love how you haven't heard anything from the Indiana or Louisville fan bases. God forbid someone talk bad about big blue nation lol
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The thing is, it's actually a compliment in a way. He was basically saying they are the standard.
 
Jon Rycek said:
I know and I love how you haven't heard anything from the Indiana or Louisville fan bases. God forbid someone talk bad about big blue nation lol
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Last I seen uk was a five seed, the fans better be thanking the NCAA for being overly on the blue bloods nuts, because they should be 8 or 9 seed at best.
 

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