@South Florida

[sedziobs]

guys that just spot up shooters are going to have artificially higher rates

Spot up shooters will have artificially LOWER turnover rates. The point is that we can't use TORate alone to reject Mick's claims that Evans and Jenifer don't turn the ball over. Time on the ball needs to be considered, and TORate doesn't do that. I think Jenifer's 15.1 rate is incredibly low considering how infrequently he shoots.

 

[cincrulz11]

Spot up shooters will have artificially LOWER turnover rates. The point is that we can't use TORate alone to reject Mick's claims that Evans and Jenifer don't turn the ball over. Time on the ball needs to be considered, and TORate doesn't do that. I think Jenifer's 15.1 rate is incredibly low considering how infrequently he shoots.

yeah that was me just trying to do two things and once and typing higher instead of lower.

 

[cincrulz11]

Spot up shooters will have artificially LOWER turnover rates. The point is that we can't use TORate alone to reject Mick's claims that Evans and Jenifer don't turn the ball over. Time on the ball needs to be considered, and TORate doesn't do that. I think Jenifer's 15.1 rate is incredibly low considering how infrequently he shoots.

because jenifer went through an insane clip of not turning it over in 6 of the first 8 games of the season. I believe his TOrate was around 7 midway through december if my memory is correct.



and the other side of that is as he's become more active, which he has been, the turnovers have started showing up. earlier in the year he rarely attempted to penetrate and didn't get himself into too many situations where turnovers are likely. he has definitely looked to be more aggressive with the ball the last 5 or so games i'd say. his assists have gone up win that time frame as well.

 

[sedziobs]

Jenifer has an impressive TO Rate progression through his career in Tier A&B games.

2016: 34.5
2017: 24.0
2018: 13.9

Not bad.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

-22

 

[cincrulz11]

Jenifer has an impressive TO Rate progression through his career in Tier A&B games.

2016: 34.5
2017: 24.0
2018: 13.9

Not bad.

btw do you have any idea what his formula for TOrate is? His numbers are all higher than TOV%. maybe he has a way to factor in offensive rebounds off a players missed shots?

 

[sedziobs]

btw do you have any idea what his formula for TOrate is? His numbers are all higher than TOV%. maybe he has a way to factor in offensive rebounds off a players missed shots?

He does exactly that. TORate is "the percentage of personal possessions used on turnovers". Personal possessions are defined as "making a shot, missing a shot that isn’t rebounded by the offense, or committing a turnover".

 

[waterhead]

and maybe the review of the temple tape was an aha moment for mick. somebody told me mick talked about pace again last night and said if we're stuck in a rock fight like vs temple anybody can win that game.



lets hope he takes it to heart and lets these guys go.

I wonder how our tempo changes with Cane vs Jenifer?

 

[sedziobs]

Here's some more on TORate from Professor Pomeroy:

"It is highly dependent on context, but anything below 15% is great. Average in 2005 was around 20%. Point guards are typically in the 20-25% range due to the nature of their position. Players that do little passing or dribbling will have an artificially deflated TO%."

 

[jacobkdoyle]

UC 83
South Florida 58

I'll be disappointed if we in any way let them dictate how this game goes.

 

[kskenyon4]

Not worried about the score baring something miraculous from USF. I'm just looking for us to run smooth offense without relying on the 3 ball. Smother them on defense, use this is a warm up game.

72-53 Cincy

 

[justinhub2003]

its not of concern at all, but its noteworthy that USF is shooting 37% in the 4 conference games its played.


The 3 point shot is the great equalizer. But We should win by 20, conserve energy and get some younger guys on the road experience

 

[cincyfan21]

UC 76
USF 51

 

[Jon Rycek]

I wanna see us blow someone out, away. I think this is one of our best chances. 87-51. Really want Cumberland to start getting out of that slump. This would be a great game for him to fire away, no matter what we aren't losing, but it's still on the road, still some amount of pressure. Just want to see him relax and make a few fall.

 

[Defense first]

I wanna see us blow someone out, away. I think this is one of our best chances. 87-51. Really want Cumberland to start getting out of that slump. This would be a great game for him to fire away, no matter what we aren't losing, but it's still on the road, still some amount of pressure. Just want to see him relax and make a few fall.

I know it was at home, but we beat the daylights out of SMU and Memphis. Think we beat South Florida 70 to 52. Cumberland going to fire away regardless.

 

[Jon Rycek]

I know it was at home, but we beat the daylights out of SMU and Memphis. Think we beat South Florida 70 to 52. Cumberland going to fire away regardless.

That's all I really care about, fire away Jarron, oh and covering the spread lol

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Weird flow.

 

[Mcginnjw]

Painful offense and getting beat off the dribble on D....not a good start.

 

[Mcginnjw]

Wow this has been brutal so far.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Wow this has been brutal so far.

Thank God it's USF and not UCF today.