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[ralph1950]

Why is it that everyone always mentions the HoF coaches Mick has defeated, but there's never any mention of some of the coaches he has lost to. I realize that you probably don't remember the names of the coaches of Presbyterian, Marshall, Belmont, Illinois St. Bowling Green, Wofford, and all the bottom feeders of the BE, etc., but we certainly shouldn't be mentioning the one group and conveniently ignoring the other group. If you consider the second group, then maybe, just maybe, there might be some intimidation. Just a thought.

You mean like the coaches of Canisus, Coastal Carolina, etc., X when UC #1 in the USA twice, and the 10 coaches in the first and second rounds of the NCAA that Huggins lost to?

 

[bearcat jeff]

L-T all coches have those loses. Let's be real here.

 

[L-T]

L-T all coches have those loses. Let's be real here.

Lets do be real Jeff. All coaches have wins as well. And, many obscure coaches have wins against HoF coaches. The measure of a coach is championships, not individual wins over hall of fame coaches, or losses to obscure coaches. When the best you've done is finish 4th in a league, you can have a thousand wins over HoF coaches and it means absolutely nothing. If a win over Pitino or Calhoun can eliminate the intimidation factor, then it is just as accurate to assume a loss to the Presbyterian coach can possibly lead to some intimidation. Both assumptions are pretty stupid. Just being real.

 

[L-T]

You mean like the coaches of Canisus, Coastal Carolina, etc., X when UC #1 in the USA twice, and the 10 coaches in the first and second rounds of the NCAA that Huggins lost to?

Thanks Ralph. What does Huggins have to do with SMU and Larry Brown and whether Mick will be intimidated or not?

 

[L-T]

1. Tuberville was a horrible hire.

2. Cronin isn't going to intimidated by any coach.

3. Get the rest of your nonsense off this thread. God, this L-T character truly is a moron.


Resume the talk about the game on Wednesday pls.

Lol, you trash our football coach after one season and a trip to a bowl game and someone who questions a coach after 8 seasons of pretty average results is a moron. Get real!

Lets do return to the game topic. Should be a good one, but I look for Mick to lead us to a double digit win, but if it is only a 1-point victory, I'll take it.

 

[JumpinJack5]

Lets do be real Jeff. All coaches have wins as well. And, many obscure coaches have wins against HoF coaches. The measure of a coach is championships, not individual wins over hall of fame coaches, or losses to obscure coaches. When the best you've done is finish 4th in a league, you can have a thousand wins over HoF coaches and it means absolutely nothing. If a win over Pitino or Calhoun can eliminate the intimidation factor, then it is just as accurate to assume a loss to the Presbyterian coach can possibly lead to some intimidation. Both assumptions are pretty stupid. Just being real.

I don't think you realize that if you base a coach on championships won, each year 330-340+ coaches would be labeled "disappointments" under your logic. I guess Huggins disappointed you because he never won a championship?

 

[bearcat jeff]

L-T lives to criticize the program. I've seen it on multiple sites. I do believe he loves UC but he is certainly a Huggins loyalist who has never let go of the firing. Despite what he says he will only be happy with Cronin's dismissal because he still resents him leaving Huggins and going to work for Pitino. Yes, a Bearcat fan but one who will never be happy with Mick Cronin and that's just the way it is.

That' not a shot L-T just my observation and impression. If my persception is wrong forgive me but based on what I've read this is the impression I get. I think as long as Cronin is Head Coach you will have a "But".

Again, I'm not wanting to argue with you nor do I want anyone else too. Just seems to me you never much cared for Mick's return and that's ok. I just wish that you'd be just as quick to post positive things.

 

[anbuc88]

Lol, you trash our football coach after one season and a trip to a bowl game and someone who questions a coach after 8 seasons of pretty average results is a moron. Get real!

Lets do return to the game topic. Should be a good one, but I look for Mick to lead us to a double digit win, but if it is only a 1-point victory, I'll take it.

Why would you expect Mick to lead us to a double digit win? In other threads you have already stated that he has mismanaged players and has had average results for the past 8 years. Plus he is going against a HOF coach in Larry Brown. Oh wait, I think I now know why. If the Cats win, there no reason to acknowledge him, because it was expected. BUT, if they lose, you can come back here and again call for his ouster, as he lost another game that he was supposed to win. You would have finally been proven right, after 8 years of calling for him to be removed. That's the most important thing, isn't it. To be proven correct on an anonymous message board. How sad it must be for someone to have to constantly post on an anonymous message board, looking for attention, and hoping that someone, anyone, would acknowledge that they were right from the get go. PATHETIC.

For those who think my posts against Longtimer are a personal attack, let remind you who this person is.
1. Longtimer, who now calls himself L-T, was PERMANENTLY banned from Bearcatnews. Why? Because of constant negative posts against Mick Cronin and the program. It got bad enough that the UC AD's office contacted the administrators of Bearcatnews that all of the negativity on their site was affecting recruiting, especially at the time they were recruiting Marquis Teague. As we all know, recruits and their parents view these sites from time to time. Longtimer and his buddies Billy Don and Doss spewed constant negativity and Bearcatnews for forced to clean up the site. It is now a much better site as these posters have all been permanently banned.
2. Longtimers main goal on these sites is to inflame. He takes every opportunity to criticize Mick Cronin, and his compliments are all backhanded. He has an axe to grind, and this is his outlet to do so. Bearcatnews put an end to it and he has eventually found his way here.
3. Longtimer thinks he has a pulse on the UC fan base. He says that the majority of the fan base despises Mick Cronin, and its only on sites such as this that there is a Mick Cronin fan club. If thats truly the case, ask yourself this: Where are all of these people? Are they computer illiterate and can't come up with their own website? There are 3 main non pay website dedicated to the Cats. Bearcattalk, Bearcatnews, and Bearcat Banter. According to Longtimer and a few others, these are all pro-Cronin, with Bearcattalk being the most 'fair'. But if the majority of the fan base despises him, wouldn't there be at least one site that anti-Cronin, constantly asking for him to be removed?

One thing we all can thank Longtimer and his ilk for is the creation of Bearcattalk. This website was formed during the nexus of negativity at Bearcatnews. Some of us were invited to join this site at that time, as we were pro-UC. A number of these posters have left. Today, Waite voluntarily left after having to waste post after post arguing with Longtimer. I had also voluntarily left after countless arguments with those whose express purpose is to come on here and bash Cronin. But it gets tiresome to sit on the sidelines and read Longtimers drivel when it is blatantly false. All of us on here want UC to succeed. But a few are on here would prefer that Cronin fail over UC succeeding. Longtimer is one of them, so keep that in mind whenever you read any of his posts.

Finally, to return to this thread, I will be a FTA on Wednesday, rooting on the Cats. I think they will win in a low scoring affair, 61-54.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Why would you expect Mick to lead us to a double digit win? In other threads you have already stated that he has mismanaged players and has had average results for the past 8 years. Plus he is going against a HOF coach in Larry Brown. Oh wait, I think I now know why. If the Cats win, there no reason to acknowledge him, because it was expected. BUT, if they lose, you can come back here and again call for his ouster, as he lost another game that he was supposed to win. You would have finally been proven right, after 8 years of calling for him to be removed. That's the most important thing, isn't it. To be proven correct on an anonymous message board. How sad it must be for someone to have to constantly post on an anonymous message board, looking for attention, and hoping that someone, anyone, would acknowledge that they were right from the get go. PATHETIC.

For those who think my posts against Longtimer are a personal attack, let remind you who this person is.
1. Longtimer, who now calls himself L-T, was PERMANENTLY banned from Bearcatnews. Why? Because of constant negative posts against Mick Cronin and the program. It got bad enough that the UC AD's office contacted the administrators of Bearcatnews that all of the negativity on their site was affecting recruiting, especially at the time they were recruiting Marquis Teague. As we all know, recruits and their parents view these sites from time to time. Longtimer and his buddies Billy Don and Doss spewed constant negativity and Bearcatnews for forced to clean up the site. It is now a much better site as these posters have all been permanently banned.
2. Longtimers main goal on these sites is to inflame. He takes every opportunity to criticize Mick Cronin, and his compliments are all backhanded. He has an axe to grind, and this is his outlet to do so. Bearcatnews put an end to it and he has eventually found his way here.
3. Longtimer thinks he has a pulse on the UC fan base. He says that the majority of the fan base despises Mick Cronin, and its only on sites such as this that there is a Mick Cronin fan club. If thats truly the case, ask yourself this: Where are all of these people? Are they computer illiterate and can't come up with their own website? There are 3 main non pay website dedicated to the Cats. Bearcattalk, Bearcatnews, and Bearcat Banter. According to Longtimer and a few others, these are all pro-Cronin, with Bearcattalk being the most 'fair'. But if the majority of the fan base despises him, wouldn't there be at least one site that anti-Cronin, constantly asking for him to be removed?

One thing we all can thank Longtimer and his ilk for is the creation of Bearcattalk. This website was formed during the nexus of negativity at Bearcatnews. Some of us were invited to join this site at that time, as we were pro-UC. A number of these posters have left. Today, Waite voluntarily left after having to waste post after post arguing with Longtimer. I had also voluntarily left after countless arguments with those whose express purpose is to come on here and bash Cronin. But it gets tiresome to sit on the sidelines and read Longtimers drivel when it is blatantly false. All of us on here want UC to succeed. But a few are on here would prefer that Cronin fail over UC succeeding. Longtimer is one of them, so keep that in mind whenever you read any of his posts.

Finally, to return to this thread, I will be a FTA on Wednesday, rooting on the Cats. I think they will win in a low scoring affair, 61-54.

One of the few valuable posts you've made. Thanks, I didn't know that L-T was Longtimer. It all makes sense now.

 

[bearcat jeff]

I was there during the turnover and asked to come to BCT. Let it be known that this IS a pro UC site and has such we do support the staff and success of this program. We have the freedom to bitch when we feel a game goes wrong but most people here praise the team when it wins without a "but". We support this team, the head coach and the programs recruiting and building efforts. That doesn't mean we agree with everything just that we are Bearcat fans first. If ya can't get behind tht, no matter who you are, this isn't the site for you, because we will continue to defend it and rid ourselves of those who don't.

And as to the recruiting, I too have been told of several recruits who read the forums and gain a positive or negative view based on what they read.It is a reality and one of the reasons I want to create a positive environment.

 

[ralph1950]

Thanks Ralph. What does Huggins have to do with SMU and Larry Brown and whether Mick will be intimidated or not?

Mick is not intimidated by any coach. He has beat Pitino, Boeheim, Calhoun, Wright, JT3, Brey, Dixon, Huggins, all more than once.

All coaches have bad losses, that is the nature of the game.

 

[L-T]

I don't think you realize that if you base a coach on championships won, each year 330-340+ coaches would be labeled "disappointments" under your logic. I guess Huggins disappointed you because he never won a championship?

JJ, by championships, I'm referring to any championship. The goal is to first win the league championship, then the league tournament championship, then the National Championship. If you're focused on only March Madness, then yes, youll always be disappointed. But, the league championships are certainly attainable and should be an expectation of our coaches at least occasionally. Our AD announced 5-7 years ago and I can't remember what he called the inititive, but whatever it was called, the goal was to win a league championship in every sport within the next 5 years. That obviously hasn't happened in Mens and Women's basketball. Not sure about all the other sports.

Not sure what Huggs has to do with the discussion, but yes, there were disappointments with some of his results.

 

[anbuc88]

I was there during the turnover and asked to come to BCT. Let it be known that this IS a pro UC site and has such we do support the staff and success of this program. We have the freedom to bitch when we feel a game goes wrong but most people here praise the team when it wins without a "but". We support this team, the head coach and the programs recruiting and building efforts. That doesn't mean we agree with everything just that we are Bearcat fans first. If ya can't get behind tht, no matter who you are, this isn't the site for you, because we will continue to defend it and rid ourselves of those who don't.

And as to the recruiting, I too have been told of several recruits who read the forums and gain a positive or negative view based on what they read.It is a reality and one of the reasons I want to create a positive environment.

Excellent post Jeff. Most of us on here are pro-UC, but not all of us. IMO that means that we support the programs unconditionally, including the head coach. As long as Mick Cronin is the head coach at UC, I will support him and do what I can to insure that he is successful. That means consistently holding the program in a positive light. If he ever leaves, my support for him will end and I will support the next head coach with the same zeal. I did this with Huggins, and on the football side with Dantonio, BK, and Butch Jones. Now that they are coaching elsewhere, I could care less about how they do, and in some cases I root against them. I suspect many of us are in the same boat. This does not make us Mick Cronin lovers, but UC lovers. The decision of whether any coach at UC is doing a credible enough job to continue employment will be made by much smarter people than on boards such as this. The one thing we can do as fans is to make it a positive environment for all outsiders who come on these sites, including recruits and their parents, who want to see what a supportive fan base looks like.

 

[Amberlycolonel]

If a recruit makes his decision on a school based on a fan forum, then he obviously should go elsewhere. You have to have thick skin to play and succeed in sports at any level, and that includes Clifton. And while everyone seems to be jumping L.T for being real about Cronin, I will take a moment to be real. There IS a large base of U.C fans who despise him and will never change their feelings. You can call them names, question their upbringing, etc all you wish but the fact still remains. There are also fans who adore him. That fact will always remain. U.C will always have U.C fans, however. My wife, son, and myself included. But the rafters are where you will see how popular a coach really is. When is the last time you have seen those seats filled? As long as Cronin is here, those seats will remain empty. Unless Louisville is in town! Maybe that is why Mick was so enamored with them and traveled down the Ohio a few years back lol.

 

[anbuc88]

If a recruit makes his decision on a school based on a fan forum, then he obviously should go elsewhere. You have to have thick skin to play and succeed in sports at any level, and that includes Clifton. And while everyone seems to be jumping L.T for being real about Cronin, I will take a moment to be real. There IS a large base of U.C fans who despise him and will never change their feelings. You can call them names, question their upbringing, etc all you wish but the fact still remains. There are also fans who adore him. That fact will always remain. U.C will always have U.C fans, however. My wife, son, and myself included. But the rafters are where you will see how popular a coach really is. When is the last time you have seen those seats filled? As long as Cronin is here, those seats will remain empty. Unless Louisville is in town! Maybe that is why Mick was so enamored with them and traveled down the Ohio a few years back lol.

If there is such a large fan base that despises him, why don't you or others in this camp open a website that is designed to constantly put him down. Why come on websites that are populated by the 'Cronin fan club.' You should have a large following. And anyone who still truly cares that he went to Louisville despite all of the reasons that have been mentioned ad nauseum on this site is a moron. Plain and simple, a moron.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

If there is such a large fan base that despises him, why don't you or others in this camp open a website that is designed to constantly put him down. Why come on websites that are populated by the 'Cronin fan club.' You should have a large following. And anyone who still truly cares that he went to Louisville despite all of the reasons that have been mentioned ad nauseum on this site is a moron. Plain and simple, a moron.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious to me. Why should I leave because of a couple of bad apples with a hidden agenda. I believe amberly here is a former poster on Cincinnati.Com. He often reffered to himself as Mick the Rat and others. He also mentioned a nurse Julie in his post. Don't remember a LongTimer but it is obvious as you have pointed out he is here to rip the coach and bury the program until Mick is replaced. I enjoy the site and will continue to in the future.

 

[bearcat jeff]

Ok guys let's move on. I didn't intend to start a $hit storm and my only intention was to say it's ok if you don't like or want Mick. That's part of being a fan. Just show ur an overall Bearcat Program fan by accentuating the positive and not lying in wait for a bad loss or game. Don't beat up the team after a win. voicing concerns and attacking are 2 different things.

All are welcome let's just respect each other and the program is all I ask.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Ok guys let's move on. I didn't intend to start a $hit storm and my only intention was to say it's ok if you don't like or want Mick. That's part of being a fan. Just show ur an overall Bearcat Program fan by accentuating the positive and not lying in wait for a bad loss or game. Don't beat up the team after a win. voicing concerns and attacking are 2 different things.

All are welcome let's just respect each other and the program is all I ask.

More then willing to do that Jeff.

 

[bearcat jeff]

If a recruit makes his decision on a school based on a fan forum, then he obviously should go elsewhere. You have to have thick skin to play and succeed in sports at any level, and that includes Clifton. And while everyone seems to be jumping L.T for being real about Cronin, I will take a moment to be real. There IS a large base of U.C fans who despise him and will never change their feelings. You can call them names, question their upbringing, etc all you wish but the fact still remains. There are also fans who adore him. That fact will always remain. U.C will always have U.C fans, however. My wife, son, and myself included. But the rafters are where you will see how popular a coach really is. When is the last time you have seen those seats filled? As long as Cronin is here, those seats will remain empty. Unless Louisville is in town! Maybe that is why Mick was so enamored with them and traveled down the Ohio a few years back lol.

What you fail to understand is kids today get their pulse on things largely from social media. So what they see in forums translates to environment and reality for them. It is the world we live in.

 

[Bearcat22]

What you fail to understand is kids today get their pulse on things largely from social media. So what they see in forums translates to environment and reality for them. It is the world we live.

Also protective parents who can influence their kid's decision see this stuff too.