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Interesting debate I saw over on BCN.. What do you consider a successful program?

It was absolutely baffling how many clowns said "graduating players"... Are you kidding me?!

I understand that is important to the University, and the athletic department and my boy Whit... But cmon, to me, that has ZERO relevance. I want to WIN basketball games.

These kids come here for two reasons, to WIN basketball games and receive a free education. If they chose to not take advantage of that opportunity so be it.

The preferential treatment a student athlete gets at a big time school is ridiculous, and im okay with that... but with that comes all the help/assistance they could ever ask for in regards to the classroom. They have every resource possible, and if a student athlete doesnt take advantage of that thats on them, not the University.
 
Success = sustained competitiveness inside and outside of conference play... ability to recruit top high school players, send 1 player every year to the NBA AND get to sweet 16 on a consistant basis
 
TheLivingLegend said:
Interesting debate I saw over on BCN.. What do you consider a successful program?

It was absolutely baffling how many clowns said "graduating players"... Are you kidding me?!

I understand that is important to the University, and the athletic department and my boy Whit... But cmon, to me, that has ZERO relevance. I want to WIN basketball games.

These kids come here for two reasons, to WIN basketball games and receive a free education. If they chose to not take advantage of that opportunity so be it.

The preferential treatment a student athlete gets at a big time school is ridiculous, and im okay with that... but with that comes all the help/assistance they could ever ask for in regards to the classroom. They have every resource possible, and if a student athlete doesnt take advantage of that thats on them, not the University.
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This is a very simple question to answer. A successful program is one that consistently goes to the NCAA Tourney with a chance to do some damage in said tourney most years. The program also needs to keep the image of the university clean for the most part (I understand things happen but so long as there is not a pattern) and put a product on the court to make attendance levels respectable.

I think this program is almost back to being the consistent NCAA Tourney participant and therefore, in my eyes, would then be considered a successful program. I think winning will get the fans back so I don't really worry about that too much.
 
The fact of the matter is that graduating players is important to me to some extent as it contributes to (or detracts from) the image of the University. As an alumnus the image of the sports programs and the University as a whole are directly correlated to the perception of the quality of my degree. I am in a stable job now, but if I go looking for a new one it could have some effect on whether I get a certain job or not.

All that being said, I am also a sports fan, and I want wins. I would be happy with a team that is in the NCAA tournament discussion every year, and actually makes it to the tournament 3 out of every 4 years. In those 4 year cycles I would be satisfied with 1-2 Sweet 16 appearances including an Elite 8 or Final 4 run maybe twice a decade. Actually, looking back on what I wrote I'd be ecstatic with all that.
 
TheLivingLegend said:
Interesting debate I saw over on BCN.. What do you consider a successful program?

It was absolutely baffling how many clowns said "graduating players"... Are you kidding me?!

I understand that is important to the University, and the athletic department and my boy Whit... But cmon, to me, that has ZERO relevance. I want to WIN basketball games.

These kids come here for two reasons, to WIN basketball games and receive a free education. If they chose to not take advantage of that opportunity so be it.

The preferential treatment a student athlete gets at a big time school is ridiculous, and im okay with that... but with that comes all the help/assistance they could ever ask for in regards to the classroom. They have every resource possible, and if a student athlete doesnt take advantage of that thats on them, not the University.
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Is it you or TGO who doesn't go to UC?
 
the_one_32 said:
Success = sustained competitiveness inside and outside of conference play... ability to recruit top high school players, send 1 player every year to the NBA AND get to sweet 16 on a consistant basis
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I think there are a lot of successful programs that don't do this, yet they are still successful. Otherwise, I agree with your assessment on what makes a program successful. I think sending players to the NBA is important, but you can have success without doing so, at least without sending one every year.
 
The first question I ask when historically ranking great college sports teams..."How are their grad rates?".

The last question I bring up...and it's mostly irrelevant to the discussion..."How many national championships did they win?"

When I am checking my school's ranking in actual academia...the first thing I look at to get a guage is the rank of their sports programs.
 
Successful program to me is a consistent fixture in the NCAA tournament with a Sweet 16 run or better every 4/5 years. Also extremely competitive for the Conference title, as well as putting players in the NBA with a lottery pick every 4/5 years. Cincinnati is certainly getting there, but isn't crazy to think its been 11 years the Bearcats have even made the Sweet 16 (including being a 1 seed bounced in round 2)?
 
TheLivingLegend said:
Sort of like claiming sending players to the NBA isn't important:D
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Don't know where your going with that, because X has sent some NBA players recently. But, I don't think it's necessary to have NBA players to be considered successful. All that matters, IMO, is if you get to the tournament, and if you win in the tournament on a consistent basis.

Or, are you going to tell me a program that wins back to back championships, but doesn't send a player to the NBA isn't successful? You know how dumb that sounds?
 
Getting players in the NBA and recruiting do not define successful programs. They may be causes that lead to successful programs but they don't define was a successful program is.
 
Kingsley Court said:
Jordan Crawford, Derrick Brown, Romain Sato has a ring, posey has 2. But that's not the point, the point is you do not have to send players to the NBA to be a successful COLLEGE basketball team.
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I disagree. The NBA is crucial. Kids want to go to the NBA. If they see guys going to the NBA from a school they want to go there. Case and point, Kentucky.

And btw, thats a weak list.
 
Kingsley Court said:
Jordan Crawford, Derrick Brown, Romain Sato has a ring, posey has 2. But that's not the point, the point is you do not have to send players to the NBA to be a successful COLLEGE basketball team.
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Here is another point. I can't wait for the day whey X stops getting mention on these UC boards no matter if it's to say something good or bad. During game week...I get it...other than that...it's like a nasty fetish.
 
TheLivingLegend said:
I disagree. The NBA is crucial. Kids want to go to the NBA. If they see guys going to the NBA from a school they want to go there. Case and point, Kentucky.
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So, in your opinion if a team gets to 5 final fours in 10 years, but sends no one to the NBA they aren't successful?! They would be a really successful college basketball team, they aren't successful at getting kids to the NBA, but that shouldn't matter when talking about the success of a program. Just like, graduation rates don't really matter.

Does this sound familiar to you: I understand that is important to the University, and the athletic department and my boy Whit... But cmon, to me, that has ZERO relevance. I want to WIN basketball games.

All you cared about was the fact that your team WON basketball games, which in the end is what makes a program successful.
 

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