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in conference play everybody not named tre scott is shooting 76.9% from the FT line.


add in tre's 1-12 and its 70.4%

keith at 90%
diarra at 100%
jarron 83%
 
Im not complaining about him one bit.

Just noting that when I post the synergy numbers, a lot of people start making up reasons why the numbers are wrong.

They aren't wrong. Just watch the film and you can see that a quick twitch athlete is all it takes to score on the post on him.

Im absolutely fine with it. But I do think at the end of games, we might need to play Diarra.

Maybe Diarra for strictly defense but Vogt opens up so much on offense it's hard to take him out. He got us in the bonus early, and in the second half they were doubling him when he didn't even have the ball. Allowing tre to score easily. Just hard to take him off the court.
 
Maybe Diarra for strictly defense but Vogt opens up so much on offense it's hard to take him out. He got us in the bonus early, and in the second half they were doubling him when he didn't even have the ball. Allowing tre to score easily. Just hard to take him off the court.


we did sub him out the last 4 minutes or so. did some offense for defense substitutions and then the last minute or so diarra was at the 5
 
Im not complaining about him one bit.

Just noting that when I post the synergy numbers, a lot of people start making up reasons why the numbers are wrong.

They aren't wrong. Just watch the film and you can see that a quick twitch athlete is all it takes to score on the post on him.

Im absolutely fine with it. But I do think at the end of games, we might need to play Diarra.

I love Diarra's progression. If he knows what he's doing, he can be a good player. We are started to see more Diarra and less Jay. Brannen is really starting to figure out the team.
 
we did sub him out the last 4 minutes or so. did some offense for defense substitutions and then the last minute or so diarra was at the 5

Yes I liked the sub offense defense pattern at the end. It may have helped win us that game
 
How about Vogt from the line this year? 64%. Nearly doubling his performance last year. That is keeping us from a hack a Shaq scenario
 
Said it from start of season, I'll start diarra with vogt over scott. Diarra has some of best hands on team and scott has absolutely has the worst. Tre cant grab a lose ball to save his life. Until he learns grab loose balls he needs sit.
 
Said it from start of season, I'll start diarra with vogt over scott. Diarra has some of best hands on team and scott has absolutely has the worst. Tre cant grab a lose ball to save his life. Until he learns grab loose balls he needs sit.

Hard to play diarra when he didn’t know what he was doing. Which him and the coach admitted.
 
Maybe Diarra for strictly defense but Vogt opens up so much on offense it's hard to take him out. He got us in the bonus early, and in the second half they were doubling him when he didn't even have the ball. Allowing tre to score easily. Just hard to take him off the court.

But late in games, when Jarron is going to have the ball any way, It might be a good way to protect a lead defensively.


I want Vogt out there as much as possible, except in situations where it relies on good defense


Would be awesome if Diarra could start hitting 3's. He can shoot, just matter of doing it in games. If he does, it creates a lot of space for Keith and Jarron
 
Said it from start of season, I'll start diarra with vogt over scott. Diarra has some of best hands on team and scott has absolutely has the worst. Tre cant grab a lose ball to save his life. Until he learns grab loose balls he needs sit.

This is a weird take considering Tre Scott has the #1 Defensive rebounding percentage in the conference right now.

LOL the day John Brannen benches his league leading defensive rebounder is the day I think he's absolutely nuts.

I like Diarra. But I like him in short bursts.


Tre Scott takes a lot of heat on this board.

But his last two games:
16 points, 11 Rebounds, 1 assists
16 points, 11 rebounds, 5 assists


When he puts up 16,11, & 5 on the road, he should get some serious praise. Thats Gary Clark like numbers.

Because lets be real. When Tre is at his he matches Gary's numbers pretty spot on. Its just needs to be as consistent as Gary was.



The dude has put up double figures in 10 of the 19 games we've played. He's had double digit rebounds in 8 games and has 7-9 rebounds in 9 other games.


He was not recruited to be a scorer.


But his elite athleticism and length is something I hope Brannen finds a way to recruit more of. You need a guy like Tre Scott on your team.
 
Because lets be real. When Tre is at his he matches Gary's numbers pretty spot on. Its just needs to be as consistent as Gary was.



The dude has put up double figures in 10 of the 19 games we've played. He's had double digit rebounds in 8 games and has 7-9 rebounds in 9 other games.


He was not recruited to be a scorer.


But his elite athleticism and length is something I hope Brannen finds a way to recruit more of. You need a guy like Tre Scott on your team.


scott has abilities if he would just know who he was. and would be less frustrating for fans to watch if he didn't have so many mental breakdowns.


cane broome let a coach get in his head and ruin him more than any player i remember.


tre scott gets in his own head and messes himself up more than any player i remember.


he still makes freshman mistakes and thats what can be so frustrating about him. when he plays within himself and his game, he looks great.
 
This is a weird take considering Tre Scott has the #1 Defensive rebounding percentage in the conference right now.

LOL the day John Brannen benches his league leading defensive rebounder is the day I think he's absolutely nuts.

I like Diarra. But I like him in short bursts.


Tre Scott takes a lot of heat on this board.

But his last two games:
16 points, 11 Rebounds, 1 assists
16 points, 11 rebounds, 5 assists


When he puts up 16,11, & 5 on the road, he should get some serious praise. Thats Gary Clark like numbers.

Because lets be real. When Tre is at his he matches Gary's numbers pretty spot on. Its just needs to be as consistent as Gary was.



The dude has put up double figures in 10 of the 19 games we've played. He's had double digit rebounds in 8 games and has 7-9 rebounds in 9 other games.


He was not recruited to be a scorer.


But his elite athleticism and length is something I hope Brannen finds a way to recruit more of. You need a guy like Tre Scott on your team.

Tre just needs to dunk and get hustle points. If he did that, he’d be great. Stop shooting mid range or trying to dribble too much. It’s really that Easy, He’s not that skilled. Which is fine, he can still be successful, just has to play within his skills. Eric Hicks wasn’t that skilled either and he was great.
 
People continue to take numbers as the end all be all. Any # should be taken with grain of salt. Such is the case last night with Trevon's numbers. Now I don't want to pile on because I love the kid, but if you look at his numbers he had a fantastic game. But what his numbers don't show is the vast majority of points came from others penetration and just dishing it off to him for an easy hoop. He still had a number of bad decisions, couple bad turnovers, and his defense was just ok. He got beat numerous times and failed to provide the necessary help defense on several occasions. Though I will say he played much better than he has in a lot of other games. He wasn't bad last night, just okay.

I'd have no problem subbing Vogt for offense/defense but the majority of the game he has to be in because of his dominating offensive presence. It opens so much for everyone else. His defense wasn't great last night and there were a few occasions he played bad defense but he also played good defense where his guy just made some tough shots. Plus he was left alone with no help on the block.

Diarra is starting to show signs. Hopefully he can keep improving because h could become a tremendous asset.
 
People continue to take numbers as the end all be all. Any # should be taken with grain of salt. Such is the case last night with Trevon's numbers. Now I don't want to pile on because I love the kid, but if you look at his numbers he had a fantastic game. But what his numbers don't show is the vast majority of points came from others penetration and just dishing it off to him for an easy hoop. He still had a number of bad decisions, couple bad turnovers, and his defense was just ok. He got beat numerous times and failed to provide the necessary help defense on several occasions. Though I will say he played much better than he has in a lot of other games. He wasn't bad last night, just okay.

I'd have no problem subbing Vogt for offense/defense but the majority of the game he has to be in because of his dominating offensive presence. It opens so much for everyone else. His defense wasn't great last night and there were a few occasions he played bad defense but he also played good defense where his guy just made some tough shots. Plus he was left alone with no help on the block.

Diarra is starting to show signs. Hopefully he can keep improving because h could become a tremendous asset.



Scott is a PF with the #1 rebounding percentage in conference and the 2nd highest steal rate. He's also 16th in the league in Assist rate.


He is a glue Guy if I ever say one.

Sure he makes mistakes. But is playing at a much faster pace.


And we're undefeated when he scores double figures.


I just have no idea why one guy always seems to become the Damn it doll on the team.

He's literally adjusting to a new System like every one else.




I get frustrated with him as well but his effort is off the charts. His hustle is relenting.


He guarded JP Moreman most of the night, JP finished with 6 points in 34 minutes with an offensive rating of 90

He guarded one of the best scorers in our league against ECU and held him to 13 points on 13 shots.


Kahwai Leonard Gets beat on defense. Gary Clark got beat on defense. IT HAPPENS. But the overall numbers says he is a good defender.
 
I had to find my password to comment about Tre. He drives me crazy with is terrible pump fakes and then shots true but he plays well enough we win. He had 16 and 11 last night in a game I thought he didn't play great.
 
Scott is a PF with the #1 rebounding percentage in conference and the 2nd highest steal rate. He's also 16th in the league in Assist rate.


He is a glue Guy if I ever say one.

Sure he makes mistakes. But is playing at a much faster pace.


And we're undefeated when he scores double figures.


I just have no idea why one guy always seems to become the Damn it doll on the team.

He's literally adjusting to a new System like every one else.




I get frustrated with him as well but his effort is off the charts. His hustle is relenting.


He guarded JP Moreman most of the night, JP finished with 6 points in 34 minutes with an offensive rating of 90

He guarded one of the best scorers in our league against ECU and held him to 13 points on 13 shots.


Kahwai Leonard Gets beat on defense. Gary Clark got beat on defense. IT HAPPENS. But the overall numbers says he is a good defender.

Im not sure i would have included that part. 6 points is more than he averages a game. But Tre is an odd one. If you watch closely, hes not really that good at defense. If number suggest so, well I wouldnt be looking at those numbers anymore. He doesnt keep his man in front of him, which good defender do. for someone who is #1 in rebounding he doesnt box out and he isnt strong with the ball. I used to think, well he gets blocks so hes got to be doing something right, but if you watch how he gets most of those blocks its because he gets beat by his man and thank god hes athletic enough to be able to get to the rim for the block. But would that be considered good defense?

One thing we also need to remember about numbers is we are playing about 10-20 more possessions a game than the previous 13 years. Players numbers are going to be more inflated than players in the mick years just based on both teams having the ball more.


Things Tre should never do. Dribble at the top of the key. Drive from the top of the key(he goes to fast and turns it over everytime....Bad off balance shots are turnovers ), little 5 foot bunny shots. Mid range jumpers.


Things scott should do more. Dunk Everything around the rim. Hes more athletic than anyone out there. Dunk it instead of coming up short. Man he really misses a lot around the rim. Play WITHIN himself. You can always tell whats going to happen before it happens. If he starts to rush towards the basket, its going to be a turnover. Just because the style of PLAY is faster doesnt mean you have to do things faster. If he starts to dribble fast towards the basket and stops immediately, he will try a pull up jumper. Which for him, might be his worst play in basketball because he cannot do it. Most people cant do it, but he shouldnt even attempt it.
 
They make stats that account for possessions.

Scott in conference play this year: ORB% 8.8, DRB% 26.9, TRB% 18.1
Gary Clark senior: ORB 12.1%, DRB% 22.3, TRB% 17.3

Scott's biggest issue is his inability to make jumpers consistently, it wouldn't be a bad shot if he could make it. He boxes out fine, but he also has the ability to pursue the ball and get rebounds outside of his zone.
 
People continue to take numbers as the end all be all. Any # should be taken with grain of salt. Such is the case last night with Trevon's numbers. Now I don't want to pile on because I love the kid, but if you look at his numbers he had a fantastic game. But what his numbers don't show is the vast majority of points came from others penetration and just dishing it off to him for an easy hoop. He still had a number of bad decisions, couple bad turnovers, and his defense was just ok. He got beat numerous times and failed to provide the necessary help defense on several occasions. Though I will say he played much better than he has in a lot of other games. He wasn't bad last night, just okay.

I'd have no problem subbing Vogt for offense/defense but the majority of the game he has to be in because of his dominating offensive presence. It opens so much for everyone else. His defense wasn't great last night and there were a few occasions he played bad defense but he also played good defense where his guy just made some tough shots. Plus he was left alone with no help on the block.

Diarra is starting to show signs. Hopefully he can keep improving because h could become a tremendous asset.

Everything you said of Scott could also be said of Vogt. Brannen's system is designed to get the bigs open looks at the rim, Scott/Vogt still have to be at the right place and finish.

Almost everyones defense was bad last night (even Diarra made mistakes overhelping and he's usually our best defender). Scott is our top rated defender in conference play for a reason though. He had one bad game.

Vogt is very bad on defense every night. His guy makes "tough" shots almost every game because Vogt doesn't contest jump shots. And a 7'1" guy shouldn't need help on the block (though we do typically send some help). Not to mention Vogt is the worst help defender on the team. Vogt brings a lot on offense and it's worth keeping him in for that most of the time, but his defense has been bad all season.

I like the substitution pattern with Scott, Diarra and Vogt right now (I wouldn't give Sorolla minutes though). Diarra brings energy when he's in for Scott and a completely different look when in for Vogt.

Diarra also indirectly creates a lot of TO's because of his size and movement and makes inbounding the ball very difficult for the other team. We can also use some weird looks on defense Diarra play at the top of the zone and guarding their 5'10" guy for a bit (though it didn't work out too well, mostly because Diarra overhelped off of him).

Diarra also has improved offensively quite a bit and if he can knock down more threes it will make him a bigger offensive threat. Diarra leads the team in ORTG in conference play, mostly because of small sample size, but also because he has cut down on TO's in conference play, averages more assists per 40 than Vogt and has worked out a pretty good two man game with Jarron at times.
 
Everything you said of Scott could also be said of Vogt. Brannen's system is designed to get the bigs open looks at the rim, Scott/Vogt still have to be at the right place and finish.

Almost everyones defense was bad last night (even Diarra made mistakes overhelping and he's usually our best defender). Scott is our top rated defender in conference play for a reason though. He had one bad game.

Vogt is very bad on defense every night. His guy makes "tough" shots almost every game because Vogt doesn't contest jump shots. And a 7'1" guy shouldn't need help on the block (though we do typically send some help). Not to mention Vogt is the worst help defender on the team. Vogt brings a lot on offense and it's worth keeping him in for that most of the time, but his defense has been bad all season.

I like the substitution pattern with Scott, Diarra and Vogt right now (I wouldn't give Sorolla minutes though). Diarra brings energy when he's in for Scott and a completely different look when in for Vogt.

Diarra also indirectly creates a lot of TO's because of his size and movement and makes inbounding the ball very difficult for the other team. We can also use some weird looks on defense Diarra play at the top of the zone and guarding their 5'10" guy for a bit (though it didn't work out too well, mostly because Diarra overhelped off of him).

Diarra also has improved offensively quite a bit and if he can knock down more threes it will make him a bigger offensive threat. Diarra leads the team in ORTG in conference play, mostly because of small sample size, but also because he has cut down on TO's in conference play, averages more assists per 40 than Vogt and has worked out a pretty good two man game with Jarron at times.

The system is designed to get everyone open looks and share the ball. Vogt is just great at sealing his guy and finishing. Give him credit. I know it kills you but give it to him.
 
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