That's correct. Zero conference tournament championships, and flame outs in the 1st or 2nd game of the tournament every year means virtually no March success.
X has had 3 NBA players in that time frame, Jordan Crawford, Lionel Chalmers and Derrick Brown, plus 4 sweet 16s and an Elite 8. This year will probably be at least an Elite 8 or Final 4, plus more NBA players off this roster as well. There's no comparison.
The Cincinnati kid from Winton woods that Mick didn't recruit made it alsoThat's correct. Zero conference tournament championships, and flame outs in the 1st or 2nd game of the tournament every year means virtually no March success.
X has had 3 NBA players in that time frame, Jordan Crawford, Lionel Chalmers and Derrick Brown, plus 4 sweet 16s and an Elite 8. This year will probably be at least an Elite 8 or Final 4, plus more NBA players off this roster as well. There's no comparison.
All playing overseas. But i still get it, just looking at differently
Also, in terms of this conference success, huggs dominating C-usa of the past is nothing to write home about. I'd say Mick's overachieving in the Beast needs a little more respect. But overall i see all your points
You could also add one of 11 teams to make tourney 5 years running. Turned a dumpster fire around while all the money was sent to the football side of the house. Improved our standing in classroom. Has done a great deal of fund raising for the university. Mick has done a great job resurrecting the program under very difficult circumstances. I do not think anyone would say otherwise. Including the BOT. I think the talent base Mick has brought in has improved even though the results this year do not indicate that. Mick has a good class coming in and a couple of guys in Washington and Scott practicing with the team for next year. We also will starting the locker room and arena improvements. This should have a positive effect on fan support and recruiting. My sense is he gets one or two more years because of his hard work and accomplishments. If at the end of that time, we see very little growth it will be time to move on for both parties. I would be very surprised if he is let go this year.All playing overseas. But i still get it, just looking at differently
Also, in terms of this conference success, huggs dominating C-usa of the past is nothing to write home about. I'd say Mick's overachieving in the Beast needs a little more respect. But overall i see all your points
Is over achieving in BEast was compensated for him being top 20 highest paid coach. Cusa in hay days produced Stars
You could also add one of 11 teams to make tourney 5 years running. Turned a dumpster fire around while all the money was sent to the football side of the house. Improved our standing in classroom. Has done a great deal of fund raising for the university. Mick has done a great job resurrecting the program under very difficult circumstances. I do not think anyone would say otherwise. Including the BOT. I think the talent base Mick has brought in has improved even though the results this year do not indicate that. Mick has a good class coming in and a couple of guys in Washington and Scott practicing with the team for next year. We also will starting the locker room and arena improvements. This should have a positive effect on fan support and recruiting. My sense is he gets one or two more years because of his hard work and accomplishments. If at the end of that time, we see very little growth it will be time to move on for both parties. I would be very surprised if he is let go this year.
I agree with you Waite, Mick isn't going to get fired after this season no matter how badly I want it to happen. I think people oversell his rebuild job all the time, it's not exactly like he turned water into wine, but he does deserve some credit for the job he's done. He's gotten that credit IMO, he makes over 2 million a season and he's been here for 10 years. I wouldn't say the University owes the guy anything more. If nothing else I'm sure the university if grateful for the fact that he's re-branded our image. I'd argue he's made us irrelevant so our brand doesn't matter anymore but that's probably not how the AD or BOT see it.
I also think you're going to see a BIG loss of UCATS dollars this upcoming renewal season. It's the only recourse fans have and no one wants to do it but people aren't going to stand for this mediocrity anymore. Once that happens the AD and BOT might have to rethink they way they see things.
couldn't agree more. Over the next couple of years all the obstacles will have been removed. Arena and Locker rooms. He'll also have used up all his goodwill. Time to put up or shut up. Of course some might say that time is now. I think he gets 2 more years this year and next.I agree with you Waite, Mick isn't going to get fired after this season no matter how badly I want it to happen. I think people oversell his rebuild job all the time, it's not exactly like he turned water into wine, but he does deserve some credit for the job he's done. He's gotten that credit IMO, he makes over 2 million a season and he's been here for 10 years. I wouldn't say the University owes the guy anything more. If nothing else I'm sure the university if grateful for the fact that he's re-branded our image. I'd argue he's made us irrelevant so our brand doesn't matter anymore but that's probably not how the AD or BOT see it.
I also think you're going to see a BIG loss of UCATS dollars this upcoming renewal season. It's the only recourse fans have and no one wants to do it but people aren't going to stand for this mediocrity anymore. Once that happens the AD and BOT might have to rethink they way they see things.
Mick was hottest youngest coach in America that landed his dream job. Respect the man for trying but enough is enough it's time to move on. 10yrs in and you can't produce a group of 5 players that's fundamentally sound? Can't pass, spacing is terrible, can't dribble, still can't run break, missing layups, guys with 40+verts but NEVER dunk, walk ball up court, pass around perimeter, NOTHING has changed from year 1 to now. Complete embarrassing program right nowThis is Micks first year dealing with a expectation and Frankly he has not delivered. He has the rest of this year and next to take the next step or it may be time to look elsewhere.
Does Alex Meacham having deal with Jordan basically automatically eliminate us from recruiting his aau team? He be having pretty decent talent and not one player was ever close to signing with us.We lost our best recruiter when Stubblefield left for Oregon.
Why do people think UC was in bad shape after huggs? NO we were in bad shape after we hired Mick and entire team fled. He gambled on getting new York nba prospects and lost. Downey was a nba prospect who Mick told was to little. Oj and Bill were still in our backyard. You also had a shit load of other D1 prospect in city. Mick only wanted new York and east coast guts. Remember Mick name was top 5 for recruiting back then his ego got the best of him. Mick recruited higher rated recruits his 3rd year than he his now. It's pathetic that Cleveland ST, Detroit, Georgia st, Dayton have better guards than us. That's not recruiting that's on the player development. No way in hell guyn got this good overnight. Don't know what it is but Mick doesn't know how to bring out best in players. Bet my last dollar guyn is allowed to run and gun so his unbelievable athleticism can come into play. Guyn has one of highest verticals in HISTORY of basketball, NEVER once did I see him dunk at uc. He's dunking on etsu basketball homepage
Bulldog, I agree....if Guyn ever dunked here, I sure don't remember it. If he did, it wasn't very often. I first heard of his vertical maybe in his 3rd year and I was shocked, because I had no idea. You rarely saw any amazing athleticism out of him.
Downey told Mick he was transferring, then a week or so later, changed his mind, but Mick refused to let him back. I remember Mick's quote, "sometimes you have to just live with your decisions". That stubborn decision cost him a lot. Downey would have been huge on some of Mick's early teams, because he was an elite point guard, with speed and could shoot the 3.
While it seems silly that Guyn dunking has anything to do Micks success or lack there of, I highly doubt the accuracy of Guyn's 40in vertical. Which by the way bulldog is not "one of the highest in the history of basketball", lol. If you watch his mix tapes i literally have only seen him dunk once and it wasn't with the ease that a 6'3" kid with a 40in vertical should be dunking at.
Now the Downey fiasco is another story. I never heard that Mick told him too bad if/when he wanted to change his mind, but if it's true, that's ridiculous. Loved downey and he could have made this whole coaching change period a lot easier.
Shaq and guyn vertical higher than helicopter and flight white