Tulsa (Part II)

[justinhub2003]

Now have the 30th best offense in the country.

A career best ranking for a much Cronin team

 

[ervins84]

Now have the 30th best offense in the country.

A career best ranking for a much Cronin team

Seriously looking like Cronin's best coaching job of his career.

If the offense maintains a top 40 ranking I'm beyond shocked. I know a lot of people don't like how much we iso and our slow pace (myself included) but the huge advantage of that style is really limiting turnovers. Iso helps cut down on passes (every time we pass there's a chance of a turnover) and limiting touches of guys who don't handle the ball/create well and only letting them touch it in spots where they have easy reads and decisions.


With his track record, I still keep hope that he'll find a way to get this team into the top 20 on defense.

Either way, compared to what this team looked like on night one vs Ohio State, I really thought we might end up barely over 500 in the league. Being wrong is fun.


And I wonder what kind of odds I could have gotten on Jenifer leading the conference in 3 point percentage??? Incredible shooting, his confidence looks to be growing in his shot too because it seems like he's really catching it ready to shoot more instead of looking to drive or move the ball around.

 

[justinhub2003]

Two reasons we won from what I saw rebounding and they missed free throws. Once we got comfortably up in the second half we were content to trade baskets. There is a lesson in that. Defense can ease up once you get a comfortable lead and just play out the rest of the game as long as you are essentially swapping baskets. No need to kill clock and then smother on defense, it is too exhausting. Is that what we failed to do against Neveda?

I don’t think we lose to Nevada if jarron doesn’t foul out.

Also, we missed like 10 free throws in the first half. We could have up 20 at jr half but couldn’t get anything to fall through.


Either way, incredible performance from jenifer, jarron, & Tre Scott. And cane carved up the defense in the 1st half too

 

[waterhead]

For the first time in a while Keith did not score in double figures. But a silver lining...he had 5 assists. He's had 1 total assist in his last 5 games before that and he's recorded 12 games with 0 assists.

 

[waterhead]

I think the biggest advantage to running Cumberland in ISO so much is it gives the rest of the team a chance to shoot the shots they are good at or comfortable with. They can be more efficient with their chances. Brooks, Scott, and Jenifer don't have to force anything unless they end up with the ball for some reason in the late clock. If they see the right opportunity early or mid clock they can go ahead and take it.

Brooks could have easily had 14 points last night but several of his shots were near misses bouncing around the rim but they didn't look ugly. We also missed entry passes to him many times near the block. Scott took his time to get set and shoot and when he does that he can get pretty hot at times.

We will see better defenses than what Tulsa showed but the recipe is there for us to remain efficient.

 

[cincycpaw]

I think the biggest advantage to running Cumberland in ISO so much is it gives the rest of the team a chance to shoot the shots they are good at or comfortable with. They can be more efficient with their chances. Brooks, Scott, and Jenifer don't have to force anything unless they end up with the ball for some reason in the late clock. If they see the right opportunity early or mid clock they can go ahead and take it.

Brooks could have easily had 14 points last night but several of his shots were near misses bouncing around the rim but they didn't look ugly. We also missed entry passes to him many times near the block. Scott took his time to get set and shoot and when he does that he can get pretty hot at times.

We will see better defenses than what Tulsa showed but the recipe is there for us to remain efficient.

Was a great game!!! Lots of good, already mentioned here. The only negatives...

1) Brooks still weak down low. Got the ball on a nice pass on a slow break, coulda dunked it...didn't and he missed. Next play though he did try to dunk and got fouled. Also caught the ball in the post 1x with no one on him. He had no body touching him but still caught and held the ball and didnt realize it.

2) Scott taking long 2's. They went in for him, but at least 2 of those shots, including the 1st, happened way early in the clock. I hate long 2's. But man he was on. And his defensive rebounding in the first half was AWESOME. He was rebounding balls that weren't really his to get. Was amazing effort.

3) Still left too many open 3-pt shooters....they just were missing.

All nitpicking type stuff though. Team was on and played well. Fun game to enjoy.

 

[cincycpaw]

Seriously looking like Cronin's best coaching job of his career.

If the offense maintains a top 40 ranking I'm beyond shocked. I know a lot of people don't like how much we iso and our slow pace (myself included) but the huge advantage of that style is really limiting turnovers. Iso helps cut down on passes (every time we pass there's a chance of a turnover) and limiting touches of guys who don't handle the ball/create well and only letting them touch it in spots where they have easy reads and decisions.


With his track record, I still keep hope that he'll find a way to get this team into the top 20 on defense.

Either way, compared to what this team looked like on night one vs Ohio State, I really thought we might end up barely over 500 in the league. Being wrong is fun.


And I wonder what kind of odds I could have gotten on Jenifer leading the conference in 3 point percentage??? Incredible shooting, his confidence looks to be growing in his shot too because it seems like he's really catching it ready to shoot more instead of looking to drive or move the ball around.

The only thing that concerns me is we haven't played anyone in the top half of the league yet. USF being the closest. Lots of games against the better teams ahead!

 

[Queens_NYC]

The rebounding effort on both ends of the floor was tremendous yesterday. Considering we were -3 against one of the worst rebounding teams in the conference last game, and flipped that to +18 shows that proper adjustments were indeed made (on top of better shooting on our part).

 

[justinhub2003]

Was a great game!!! Lots of good, already mentioned here. The only negatives...

1) Brooks still weak down low. Got the ball on a nice pass on a slow break, coulda dunked it...didn't and he missed. Next play though he did try to dunk and got fouled. Also caught the ball in the post 1x with no one on him. He had no body touching him but still caught and held the ball and didnt realize it.

2) Scott taking long 2's. They went in for him, but at least 2 of those shots, including the 1st, happened way early in the clock. I hate long 2's. But man he was on. And his defensive rebounding in the first half was AWESOME. He was rebounding balls that weren't really his to get. Was amazing effort.

3) Still left too many open 3-pt shooters....they just were missing.

All nitpicking type stuff though. Team was on and played well. Fun game to enjoy.

Scott's long two's are a necessary evil. We lack space on this team. So while I wish he was a 3 point shooter ( and he did nail one from 3), at least his long 2's create some space. He keeps knocking them down and teams will have to make a choice to either guard him or let him take them. Both work in our favor as it opens up the lanes for Cane, Jarron, & keith to drive the ball.

 

[cincrulz11]

Scott's long two's are a necessary evil. We lack space on this team. So while I wish he was a 3 point shooter ( and he did nail one from 3), at least his long 2's create some space. He keeps knocking them down and teams will have to make a choice to either guard him or let him take them. Both work in our favor as it opens up the lanes for Cane, Jarron, & keith to drive the ball.

thats not really a choice. teams will let him shoot them until his arms fall off. even if he shoots them at 40%, which is good for college at mid-range, every defense will be ok with that. it also takes our 2nd best offensive rebounder on the floor at any given time (assuming we never play with eli, brooks, and scott) away from the rim.

 

[justinhub2003]

thats not really a choice. teams will let him shoot them until his arms fall off. even if he shoots them at 40%, which is good for college at mid-range, every defense will be ok with that. it also takes our 2nd best offensive rebounder on the floor at any given time (assuming we never play with eli, brooks, and scott) away from the rim.

Imo his mid range jumper is just a build up until he ultimately is able to step out and be a 3 point threat.

Gary Clark did it. Gary started with the mid range and just kept. Icing further back until it was ultimately part of his game.

Gary got a year head start on it because he had no one in front of him but imo Trevon has a chance to shoot the 3 like Kyle Washington or Gary Clark next season.

The thing with Tre so far is that he is either on or off. When he is on, he makes every jump shot he takes. When he is off, his shot is flat.

 

[cincycpaw]

Imo his mid range jumper is just a build up until he ultimately is able to step out and be a 3 point threat.

Gary Clark did it. Gary started with the mid range and just kept. Icing further back until it was ultimately part of his game.

Gary got a year head start on it because he had no one in front of him but imo Trevon has a chance to shoot the 3 like Kyle Washington or Gary Clark next season.

The thing with Tre so far is that he is either on or off. When he is on, he makes every jump shot he takes. When he is off, his shot is flat.

Yup I get it. I still hate it early in the shotclock. Always will. Really a long 2 by anyone with more than 15-18 seconds on the shitclock is just bad basketball.

But you are right. When Scott makes 1, its like he can’t miss hardly.

 

[mdchick]

thats not really a choice. teams will let him shoot them until his arms fall off. even if he shoots them at 40%, which is good for college at mid-range, every defense will be ok with that. it also takes our 2nd best offensive rebounder on the floor at any given time (assuming we never play with eli, brooks, and scott) away from the rim.

Keith Williams is the second best offensive rebounder on our team

 

[cincrulz11]

Keith Williams is the second best offensive rebounder on our team

the numbers dont say so. KW is good for a guard on the offensive glass, but he doesn't put up big man rebounding stats.

 

[cincrulz11]

Imo his mid range jumper is just a build up until he ultimately is able to step out and be a 3 point threat.

Gary Clark did it. Gary started with the mid range and just kept. Icing further back until it was ultimately part of his game.

Gary got a year head start on it because he had no one in front of him but imo Trevon has a chance to shoot the 3 like Kyle Washington or Gary Clark next season.

The thing with Tre so far is that he is either on or off. When he is on, he makes every jump shot he takes. When he is off, his shot is flat.

he just looks so uncomfortable out there. i never got that vibe from gary.


i agree when scott is on he's on, and when he's not, well he's not. his previous 15 games he was shooting 32.7% from midrange. also he's shooting 62% from the FT line if you just take out that one 12-13 game (which happens to be his career average too).

 

[mdchick]

the numbers dont say so. KW is good for a guard on the offensive glass, but he doesn't put up big man rebounding stats.

Offensive rebounding is not tre’s forte he doesn’t get good position on the post, kw doesn’t need position he just out jumps people

 

[cincrulz11]

Offensive rebounding is not tre’s forte he doesn’t get good position on the post, kw doesn’t need position he just out jumps people

but even then Scott is at 8.2 OR% and williams is at 6.8.



in 7 conference games williams has 7, and scott has 14.



scott is by no means great at it, but he's not terrible. i think we just usually have so many great offensive rebounders we forget what average looks like.

 

[skyblade]

but even then Scott is at 8.2 OR% and williams is at 6.8.



in 7 conference games williams has 7, and scott has 14.



scott is by no means great at it, but he's not terrible. i think we just usually have so many great offensive rebounders we forget what average looks like.

As a team we are at 34.7%, which is good enough for 19th in the NCAA. Last years 37.5% was tied for first. We aren't so much average as no longer quite as awesome.

Brooks is at 12.1%, same as Clark was last year and much better then KW was last year.

Scott's 8.2% is comperable to Washington's 8.3% last year.

Williams 7.0% is quite a bit better then Evans 5.2% last year.

If Scott can get back close to his ORB% last year, we will be in good shape. Although we still have the weakness of his backup(s). Fredericks is actually putting up good rebounding numbers (9.1% ORB), but that's about the only thing he has done well. Moore is at only 2.8%, which is about what I'd expect from him given his size and athleticism (or lack there of). But terrible for the 4 spot when we play small lineups.

 

[cincrulz11]

As a team we are at 34.7%, which is good enough for 19th in the NCAA. Last years 37.5% was tied for first. We aren't so much average as no longer quite as awesome.

Brooks is at 12.1%, same as Clark was last year and much better then KW was last year.

Scott's 8.2% is comperable to Washington's 8.3% last year.

Williams 7.0% is quite a bit better then Evans 5.2% last year.

If Scott can get back close to his ORB% last year, we will be in good shape. Although we still have the weakness of his backup(s). Fredericks is actually putting up good rebounding numbers (9.1% ORB), but that's about the only thing he has done well. Moore is at only 2.8%, which is about what I'd expect from him given his size and athleticism (or lack there of). But terrible for the 4 spot when we play small lineups.

I didn't mean average as a team, I just meant Scott is average for a big. Brooks and Nsoseme are both very good. KW is good for a guard.